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Problem soldering to inside surface of copper pipe
Me | 3/14/2024 | PaulR

Posted on 03/14/2024 3:00:58 PM PDT by Paul R.

Is the inside surface of clear copper tubing, such as used in refrigeration systems, anodized or have some other finish applied to it? It appears to be impossible to solder to, even using acid flux, unless the surface is thoroughly sanded (or use steel wool or a wire brush). The inside surface "as is" looks clean, with no darkening or oxidation, but is smooth, lacking the tiny scratches of sanding with high grit sandpaper, or using steel wool on it.


TOPICS: Gardening; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: copper; pipe; solder
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To spare getting more OT comments than useful ones, I'll not go far into the project details other than to say this is not a plumbing or refrigeration project. I'm making "U" shaped copper pieces out of some spare 5/8" soft copper tubing, and then need to solder to those copper pieces, preferably to the inside of the "U".

The tubing is brand new.

Thanks!

1 posted on 03/14/2024 3:00:58 PM PDT by Paul R.
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To: Paul R.

Good paste Flux, old school tin/lead solder. Some 400 wet / dry 3M emory cloth.


2 posted on 03/14/2024 3:06:05 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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To: Paul R.

Why are you trying to solder inside the pipe? Soldering works by capillary action.


3 posted on 03/14/2024 3:07:31 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Paul R.

This should help: https://youtu.be/TYj4uJjaP8g?si=NeqX0fK9sTHI4vIW


4 posted on 03/14/2024 3:09:11 PM PDT by TermLimits4All ("If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Paul R.

Try using a brazing rod with the material.


5 posted on 03/14/2024 3:09:39 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Paul R.

Nothing that I know of, although it certainly has an oxidation layer that has to be cleared (obviously).

One thing I learned the hard way, having worked in ‘the business’ a while ago, is to be absolutely sure that the flux you use is fresh, as in recently purchased at a high-volume outlet, as using old flux is not any different than using no flux at all.


6 posted on 03/14/2024 3:10:35 PM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Paul R.

Copper is quite easy to sweat. The surfaces must be clean, steel wool works great, so does fine emery cloth. A good flux and plenty of heat, preferably MAP gas.

Heat the joint uniformly. When hot touch the solder to it, when it begins to flow it should suck right into the joint, all the way around. Push the solder into the joint as it flows and stop after the first drip on the bottom.

A good plumber does not wait for the first drip to stop, but can tell when the joint is full by the silver ring that develops all the way around.


7 posted on 03/14/2024 3:11:25 PM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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To: Paul R.
I only know one way to solder copper pipe...just like the guy in this 6 minute video. This process is still one of the neatest things to me in construction work.

"How To Solder Copper Pipe (Complete Guide) Plumbing 101" - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IrH15z-Fs&pp=ygUbc29sZGVyaW5nIGNvcHBlciBwaXBlIHZpZGVv

8 posted on 03/14/2024 3:12:07 PM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: Paul R.
Whatever you do, don't scrape off any hydrogen bubbles.

Trust me.

9 posted on 03/14/2024 3:15:38 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Paul R.
Yep, the surface of the inside diameter of a soft copper tube is work hardened by the drawing process, and very slightly oxidized.

To get solder to take easily & quickly, use a cylindrical stainless wire brush inside the tube.

10 posted on 03/14/2024 3:16:43 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Paul R.

Are you building a still?


11 posted on 03/14/2024 3:16:48 PM PDT by caver ( )
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To: blackdog
Good paste Flux, old school tin/lead solder.

Well, that's what doesn't work, unless I sand off the finish on the inside surface. That is a bit difficult to do well, unless I open the "u" further (it's closer to a "C", really), sand it, then bend it back to the shape I need. The pieces are small enough to be a bit hard to hold on to while sanding. Possibly a small wire brush attachment on my Dremel tool would work better than trying to sand by hand. But, I'm just puzzled / curious as to the problem. I've done a lot of copper pipe soldering in the past, but that was to the outside surface of the pipe or tube, slipping into some fitting. Never had a problem with the inside surface of a fitting, if new. Anodizing the inside surface of the tube WOULD sort of make sense to extend its lifetime. Or maybe this is oxidation, but not to the point of darkening or "greening" the copper? This looks very "even" though - not "patchy" at all.

12 posted on 03/14/2024 3:18:26 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.

Must use good Flux!! Sand with good emery cloth.


13 posted on 03/14/2024 3:19:30 PM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (New and Improved Redneck!)
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To: Paul R.

C-Flux


14 posted on 03/14/2024 3:20:54 PM PDT by Round Earther
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To: BobL

“”””One thing I learned the hard way, having worked in ‘the business’ a while ago, is to be absolutely sure that the flux you use is fresh, as in recently purchased at a high-volume outlet, as using old flux is not any different than using no flux at all.””””

I’ve used old flux kept in my plumbing van for years in a hot climate and never had a problem.
Being a repair plumber, my can of flux with the hole in the lid and a brush sticking out would be used for years and the old backup cans that had been stored in the van for years then being opened.


15 posted on 03/14/2024 3:21:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: blackdog

Yup, long as drinking water will never pass through it old lead solder can be easier to work with.

Copper is a fantastic conductor of both heat and electricity.
It makes it hard sometimes to get the copper hot enough to
let the solder adhere though... a torch is usually needed to
get the temp up... and lots of flux.

Silver is even better as a conductor of heat and electricity
and if it was as plentiful as copper would be used instead
in many applications. I have seen silver heatsinks used on
certain critical hardware... I will have to stick to aluminum...lol

The treasury sent the military most of its silver in WW2 for wiring used in the Manhattan project.


16 posted on 03/14/2024 3:23:19 PM PDT by Bobalu (I can’t even feign surprise anymore.)
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To: ansel12

Could be the brand I attempted to use at the time. I finally tried another can, but much newer, then no problem.


17 posted on 03/14/2024 3:23:48 PM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: BobL

“unless the surface is thoroughly sanded (or use steel wool or a wire brush)”
Maybe because of oxidation or formation of some microscopic coating on the copper, it has to be sanded or abraded before solder will attach. Also could be that the sanding creates an abraded / non-smooth surface that makes it easier for the solder to attach to the copper. Just sand it.


18 posted on 03/14/2024 3:33:35 PM PDT by brookwood (If we pay $400 billion for Green New BS, do we get a guarantee that the weather will improve? )
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To: Paul R.

Use the old lead containing solder; the new lead free stuff isn’t as fluid and doesn’t it wet the surfaces as well. Also make sure your torch has a large enough flame. I use a prestolite air/acetylene when doing copper typing. Also no matter how clean it looks don’t skip the sanding and steel wool step and don’t skimp on the flux.

Or alternatively if you have oxy-acetylene you can braze it that way you can just build a fillet around the outside of the joint, but I find brazing a lot harder to get a nice looking result - probably because I only do it rarely.


19 posted on 03/14/2024 3:34:32 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Paul R.

If you can get nitric acid a 25% solution will clean it very quickly but be sure to rinse it really well


20 posted on 03/14/2024 3:37:33 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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