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Prosecution's Bug Expert Struggles On Stand:08/01/2002 Westefield Trial Nears Finish Lap!
Court TV ^ | August 1, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 07/31/2002 9:20:15 PM PDT by FresnoDA

Prosecution's bug expert struggles on stand

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Forensic entomologist Madison Lee Goff, left, testifies for the prosecution at the trial of David Westerfield.

SAN DIEGO — The insect expert prosecutors hoped would destroy David Westerfield's chances for acquittal stumbled badly during his turn on the witness stand Tuesday, capping confusing, overly technical testimony with the admission he made basic math errors in his findings.

Madison Lee Goff, one of the most experienced scientists in the small field of forensic entomology, blushed a deep red as a defense lawyer for the man accused of killing Danielle van Dam repeatedly confronted him with five separate errors in data he used to analyze bugs collected at the 7-year-old's autopsy.

"I made a mistake adding," said Goff, the chair of the forensic science department at Honolulu's Chaminade University and one of only nine certified forensic entomologists in North America.

Entomology has become a battleground as Westerfield's two-month long capital murder trial draws to a close. The strongest evidence for the defense comes from this field in which insect specialists use the age of maggots and flies decomposing a body to help determine a time of death. Danielle, abducted from her bedroom Feb. 1, was missing 26 days and when her body was finally found, the medical examiner was unable to pinpoint when she was killed. Two forensic entomologists hired by the defense said their analyses suggested her body was dumped along a roadside in mid-February, long after Westerfield was under constant police surveillance.

Prosecutors, who have a pile of other evidence against Westerfield, including hair, blood and fingerprint evidence, hired Goff soon after the first defense entomologist testified.

Goff said Tuesday he disagreed with the conclusions of both defense experts, but the time frame he offered, Feb. 9 to Feb. 14, was only slightly earlier than theirs and did not neatly fit the prosecution's theory that Danielle was killed between Feb. 2 and Feb. 4 while Westerfield claims he was on a solo camping trip. Prosecutor Jeff Dusek had to question his own expert in much the same way as he cross-examined the defense experts, hinting that variables in the weather and the disposal of Danielle's body cast doubt on the certainty of any entomological findings.

Goff agreed that very hot, very dry weather conditions in San Diego in February might have mummified Danielle's 58-pound body almost immediately and that flies may not have been attracted to the desiccated body. A forensic anthropologist, called by the prosecution last week to cast doubt on the bug evidence, said the insects may have arrived later and only after coyotes and other animals began scavenging her body and Goff said this scenario seemed possible.

He also said a covering, such as a blanket, might have kept flies at bay initially. No covering was found and Goff later said the longest delay by such a shroud was two and a half days.

Much of his testimony was a detailed view into the mathematical nuts and bolts of his conclusions. Goff did not look at the bugs himself. Instead, he reviewed photos and the reports of the defense experts. He told jurors he came up with four separate time lines based on two different temperatures at two separate locations, a golf course a mile and a half from the crime scene and National Weather Service station farther away.

Goff's testimony bounced between these four sets of findings and even after he said the lower temperature and the weather service station provided the most reliable, appropriate date, it was often unclear which findings he was referring to. He peppered his speech with entomological jargon like "accumulated degree hours" and referred to blowflies by their the Latin names. He talked about temperatures in Celsius degrees, frequently prompting Dusek to ask for a Fahrenheit translation. Much of his work seemed lost on jurors, who stopped taking notes early on in his testimony.

On cross-examination, defense lawyer Steven Feldman grilled him about the way he calculated the day-to-day temperatures which dictate how fast an insect grows. Goff explained the process, but then Feldman handed him a pocket calculator and asked him to review his findings. With the courtroom completely silent, Goff added rows of figures and discovered his errors. Feldman asked him if the mistakes effected the accuracy of his estimates and Goff said they did. Several jurors picked up their notebooks and began writing rapidly.

A few minutes later, under questioning by Dusek, Goff said the slip ups made little difference in the ultimate conclusions. And as he had earlier in his testimony, he emphasized to jurors that his was an extremely narrow study of bugs, not a "stopwatch" for determining time of death.

"We're establishing a minimum period of time the insects have been feeding on the body," said Goff.

"Are you establishing a time of death?" asked prosecutor Jeff Dusek.

"No, that's outside our area of expertise," said Goff.

Danielle's parents, Brenda and Damon van Dam, watched most of the testimony from the back row of the courtroom, occasionally flinching as Goff described the condition of their daughter's remains.

The prosecution rested its rebuttal case after Goff's testimony. There will be no witnesses Wednesday and the defense will put on its sur-rebuttal case Thursday. Closing arguments could happen as early as next Monday.

Also Tuesday, a lab technician testified that orange clothes some law enforcement officers wore when searching Westerfield's house were not the source of fibers found in both the defendant's home and in Danielle's necklace.

The trial is being broadcast live on Court TV.



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KEYWORDS: bugguys; daniellevandam; davidwesterfield
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To: UCANSEE2
Next witness-- an anthropologist-

I wonder if any of any of these specialists have ever addressed decaying body fats and greasy drag marks.
You know I was thinking-- to leave a "greasy" drag mark-- say 3 feet wide by 80-90 feet long, one would have to take a lot of body fat. I wonder if a "greasy" mark is a common occurance with something dead.
I'm afraid the only personal knowledge I have to relate to is the squirrel I rolled over a few days ago. It left a pretty good stain on the road, after the birds carried away it's poor little body. A day or so later, it rained and the road stain was gone.
821 posted on 08/01/2002 5:51:44 PM PDT by juzcuz
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To: the Deejay
VA$$inineBystander is more like it.

Besides, what makes YOU such an expert on bodily functions after death?

I suppose we'll be seeing you on the stand giving YOUR expert testimony, hmmmmm?????

You're just RUDE. PERIOD!


673 posted on 8/1/02 2:31 PM Pacific by the Deejay

I liked her reply gave us a lot of info,thank you,bystander.
822 posted on 08/01/2002 5:52:29 PM PDT by fatima
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To: UCANSEE2
Were there signs that the body had been disturbed by animals?
823 posted on 08/01/2002 6:04:27 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: UCANSEE2
Please add me to your ping list. Thanks
824 posted on 08/01/2002 6:10:30 PM PDT by Granof8
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To: Ditter
Were there signs that the body had been disturbed by animals?

Yes. Animals had taken bites out of her body.

Also, the "greasy" drag marks are narrow and thought to be from an animal dragging entrails.

825 posted on 08/01/2002 6:23:20 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Ditter
Dusek questioning Lt. Jim Collins.(PH).

Q; Did you look at the scene for any other observations around the body?
A: I looked at the area directly around the body. The leaves were dry. There was obviously no sign of any burning. The tree above the body seemed to be okay,with no sign of burning. There were some drag marks in the leaves, coming from the north going to the south to where the body was resting.
Q: What do you mean by"drag marks?"
A: Looked like somebody had been--had dragged something,whether it was -- it appeared to be the body to me,dragging it into the underbrush under thr tree.
Q: Why was that significant?
A: That showed me that the body had been placed there and then dragged into that location,which would indicate that the body decomposed in the position that it was.

826 posted on 08/01/2002 6:39:59 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
The idea was to point out that the skin was mummified..and could have prevented the MOIST environment the bugs desired.

Now that is the point Kim...If the body had been placed there at the time of death BEFORE it was all dried out....the rectum and the vagina would have been MORE than moist

827 posted on 08/01/2002 6:44:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: fatima
LOL...Then you don't want to picutre this reply, from pyx:

I was just thinking about my own funeral," the man replied. "I'm a gynecologist."

Worse would be if he were a PROCTOLOGIST. That would be a BUMMER. 597 posted on 8/1/02 1:51 PM Pacific by pyx [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 536 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

828 posted on 08/01/2002 6:53:48 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty
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To: FresnoDA
*ahem*
829 posted on 08/01/2002 7:04:37 PM PDT by shezza
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To: Ditter
Feldman to Lt. Collins (PH)
Q: Sir, I think you told us also that there may some what you perceive to be drag marks in or near the area of the body.
A: Yes.
Q: Did you prepare a report or any documents reflecting that observation?
A: No.
Q: That comes to you from memory alone or did you communicate that to anyone?
A: From memory alone.
Q: Can you tell me,Sir,what was the approximate width of the drag marks?
A: I would say no more than a foot, but that would just be an estimate.
830 posted on 08/01/2002 7:07:34 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't North (of body's position) the direction of the golf course?
831 posted on 08/01/2002 7:11:24 PM PDT by shezza
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To: shezza
I don't know shezza. I'm guessing the Hwy is north of the site where Danielle was found. I picture in my mind the GC being west of the site but I really have no idea. Maybe someone else can tell us?
832 posted on 08/01/2002 7:15:40 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF
I agree, the GC being west of the recovery site. (The photo I recall in my mind's eye.)
833 posted on 08/01/2002 7:19:35 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: cyncooper; BARLF
Thank you both for your replys.
834 posted on 08/01/2002 7:21:47 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: kayti
I have never posted anything about porn except for raping of little girls video's found on David's computer,a unknown poster sent me and many more this,
To: BunnySlippers; ~Kim4VRWC's~; redlipstick; VRWC_minion; Greg Weston; cyncooper; fatima; All

PORNOGRAPHY.

This post is for all the hypocritical people that think they are so Lilly White and respectable, and that DW is a PERVERT because he had computer disks with files that were sexually oriented.In the meantime, the parents of the VICTIM in this case, seem to be allowed to commit WIDE OPEN ADULTERY, DRUGS, and admittedly didn’t even pay attention to their daughter’s whereabouts until it was too late .

PORN found on their computers and in their garage is not allowed to be discussed during the TRIAL. They are not the criminals (or are they?)

The problem I have seen is that we have a nation that is DISGUSTED that DW had PORN. They make the leap from possession of PORN (without any proof he ever viewed any of the allegedly illegal PORN) to MURDER. They assume murder after sexual assault. There is no evidence, due to the condition of the body, that that crime was committed and DW is not being charged with it either.

But the MINDS of the public have already made that leap. WHY? PORN is BAD. He shouldn’t have it. He is a PERVERT if he does. If he had CHILD PORN he had sex with KIDS. POSSESSION=Intent to commit crime.

WELL FOLKS. Let me explain something. You can possess something and have no interest in it, other than idle curiousity. You don’t have to possess it to be affected by it. You can be a pervert and have NO PORN WHATSOEVER in your possession.

If we JUDGE DW on the basis of HAVING VIEWED PORN, then 99% of the NATION is GUILTY and needs to be investigated for every murder and rape committed.

The REASON. I have heard so many ‘innocent’ men and women make remarks about the PORN. Like they have never seen any, don’t watch it, aren’t exposed to it. If being exposed to PORN makes you commit sexual assault, then exposure to MURDER scenes on film MAKES YOU COMMIT MURDER.

Silence of the Lambs

Halloween I,II,III,IV,V

How about GANG RAPE of a MINOR and EXTREME VIOLENCE? CLOCKWORK ORANGE.

NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET (1,2,3,4,etc)

and THOUSANDS MORE.

PORN. “No, I don’t have any in MY HOUSE. I would NEVER WATCH IT”

B*LLSH*T !

I know you have a computer, else you couldn't read this. Have PORN on your computer? This has been discussed relentlessly on FR, but for the blind, YES YOU DO. Unless you have specifically purchased software designed to remove it, or are a 'geek' and know where/how to find/get rid of it (and even then it may be recoverable, even if you write over it again, and again, and again) then maybe you don't (for about the next 2 seconds. Spam hits you relentlessly while on the net, and can contain porn)

You have a TV SET, you watch PORN.

You Have CABLE TV, you watch more risqué forms of PORN.

You have a SATELLITE DISH, you get the MOST HARDCORE PORN that is available.

You don’t possess it to the point the police have EVIDENCE they can cart off, BUT YOU HAVE IT AVAILABLE. If just having access to it is all that counts, YOU ARE GUILTY. Think that because you don't watch it your kids don't. Then you really are a fool.

Don’t have TV, OK, do you read ?

Romantic Women’s Novels. PORN.

ELLE magazine, PORN.

MAXIM magazine, PORN

COSMOS magazine, PORN

VOGUE magazine, PORN

thinly veiled, widely accepted, but PORN.

BIG BROTHER (3) On you local broadcast TV station coming soon . VOYEURISTIC PORN.

VICTORIA SECRET UNDERWEAR MODELS SHOW., PORNPORNPORNPORN.

Hubby ever go to a BACHELOR PARTY for a relative or a friend, LIVE IN YOUR LAP/FACE PORN.

Hubby go to TOPLESS BARS with the guys after work occasionally? (No) Well, you mean he doesn’t tell you that is where he went. PORN IN YOUR LAP.

In some of the EASTERN states, they are showing FILMS to your CHILDREN explaining to the how to PLACE THEIR FISTS in another persons ANAL ORIFICE for SEXUAL PLEASURE. If that isn’t PORN, I don’t know what is. And this is being done by TEACHERS to your CHILDREN.

SO, before you go condemning DW for having some sexual material, that he may have viewed some of , and probably got completely JADED with, remember this.

YOU TOO HAVE PORN.


910 posted on 7/25/02 5:42 PM Pacific by UCANSEE2
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835 posted on 08/01/2002 7:22:49 PM PDT by fatima
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To: BARLF
When I was pulling up aerial photos of the site it looked like the golf course was to the west, mountain to the north and the road to the south with the quarry filled with water across the street.
836 posted on 08/01/2002 7:23:28 PM PDT by clearvision
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To: the Deejay
Thanks Deejay. I have it between the Quarry and the GC. south of the main road up an embankment.
837 posted on 08/01/2002 7:23:46 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF
Your mind's eye is a bit better than mine! LOL
838 posted on 08/01/2002 7:25:00 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: Ditter
Your welcome Ditter.
839 posted on 08/01/2002 7:25:10 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: RnMomof7
Side-Sidebar:
VERO BEACH, Fla. (AP) . The wife of "America's Most Wanted" host John Walsh has filed for divorce and sought custody of the couple's two children. In a petition filed at the Indian River County Courthouse, Reve Walsh said her 31-year marriage was irretrievably broken.

Neither Reve Walsh nor her West Palm Beach attorney, Georgia Newman, immediately returned calls seeking comment. Reve Walsh is seeking alimony, child support, exclusive use of the marital home, medical and other insurance, attorneys fees and costs and equitable distribution of their assets, according to the petition, which was filed earlier this month. John Walsh acknowledged in court documents that "there are marital difficulties at this time," but denies the marriage is irretrievably broken. He asked the court to delay the divorce hearing until he and his wife can attend marriage counseling.

The Walshes' son, Adam, then 6, was abducted July 27, 1981, from a Broward County Sears. His head was found 14 days later and 120 miles away in a canal on the west side of Vero Beach. Adam's death led his parents to co-found the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Alexandria, Va., in 1984. "America's Most Wanted" has been credited with helping capture 681 fugitives over a 15-year period, according to a report of the Florida 2001 Missing Children Day ceremony in Tallahassee.


840 posted on 08/01/2002 7:25:47 PM PDT by bvw
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