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Prosecution's Bug Expert Struggles On Stand:08/01/2002 Westefield Trial Nears Finish Lap!
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| August 1, 2002
| Harriet Ryan
Posted on 07/31/2002 9:20:15 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: John Jamieson
If the State assumes the truth of the science in convicting its citizens, it is very wrong to now disregard what the same "truth" tells them. 988 in simple terms is A is true and B is true, therefore C.
To: John Jamieson
Dusek will be given an opportunity to "explain" a scenario. His scenario will be based on his selection of the evidence and testimony that was provided to the jury.
I believe he has drawn out sufficent testimony from all the bug guys that will allow him to demonstrate that the bug science is not absolute, that the bug guys established only minimum times and that no one can know how long she was there.
To: VRWC_minion
I'm trying very hard and sincerely to understand what you're getting at, but I just don't get it. Truly sorry.
John
To: VRWC_minion
The bugguys established both minimum and maximum times between the body being found and the first ova position. The minimum time was 4 days (23d to 27th), and the maximum time was 18 days (9th to 27th). Dusek tried to confuse the issue by calling both minimums. I guess he made sense to you, but not to most of us.
To: John Jamieson
To: VRWC_minion
I know that you favor the prosecution and you choose to interpret the testimony to suit your opinion. We all do the same, but...........
It cannot be denied that if the dates and calculations remained exactly as they are but the prosecution desired the later dates, Dusek would be perfectly content with the findings.
If you think not, you are really kidding yourself.
To: VRWC_minion
Your conclusions define your premises.
1,007
posted on
08/02/2002 10:08:03 AM PDT
by
bvw
To: VRWC_minion
I believe he has drawn out sufficent testimony from all the bug guys that will allow him to demonstrate that the bug science is not absolute, that the bug guys established only minimum times and that no one can know how long she was there.
Dusek may succeed in polluting the BUG eggspurts...but he will not be able to deny the potential culpability of the SWING SET 6...and the self admitted HARD CORE swinging of the VD's and their gal pals....
You would agree??
To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I know [minion] favors the prosecution and chooses to interpret the testimony to suit [minion's] opinion.
It is more than just interpreting the tetsimony, it is blinders and very selective recall. You see in a trial, as in any investigation or science or knowledge seeking, one must consider the whole of the data, and not ignore facts and strongly supported narrative that goes against one's foregone conclusion. Minion has reached a conclusion, he is not interested in the actual reality, rather each thing put before his Majestic Minionity is allowed if only it supports his conclusion and denied if it would break that precast idol of a conclusion.
We all do the same
Fortunately that is not correct. (You are trying, good-heartedly but foolishly too, to reach into the reason with a blockhead. You might better try sculpting marble with your fingernails.) Minion is like those dark age "ecclesiastic authorities" who banned Galileo for uncovering truths that did not conform to their approved worldview.
1,009
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08/02/2002 10:28:10 AM PDT
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bvw
To: bvw
Speechless affirming...BUMP...
To: bvw
Well........uh........I was trying to find a nice way to say to Minnie.....um.
Never mind !!! You obviously got the point. ; *)
To: Politicalmom
Attention all FR-Refugees....at the direction of the Executive Board...all Westie/VD discussions have been moved to Fort Refugee until further notice.....
FDA - signing out.....
To: Southflanknorthpawsis
It cannot be denied that if the dates and calculations remained exactly as they are but the prosecution desired the later dates, Dusek would be perfectly content with the findings. Dusek will argue that the date established by the pros. is the minimum date that flys would have landed on the body and that this is not the same as the actual date. He will argue that the bug science is not capable of determining the date she was placed there. He will also point to two other fields of forensic science that agree that an earlier date is within acceptable parameters.
To: FresnoDA
Dusek may succeed in polluting the BUG eggspurts...but he will not be able to deny the potential culpability of the SWING SET 6...and the self admitted HARD CORE swinging of the VD's and their gal pals....I don't see how either parties sex history provides any light on this ? Are you making the case the all swingers kill their children ? I find that as silly as all porn watchers kill children. Maybe I miss your point.
To: VRWC_minion
Minnie, you're in a universe of your own. C-ya..........
To: bvw
Minion has reached a conclusion, he is not interested in the actual reality, rather each thing put before his Majestic Minionity is allowed if only it supports his conclusion and denied if it would break that precast idol of a conclusion.A fine example of speculation accepted as fact.
To: FresnoDA; All
Some of us are at-chat. :) Anyone care to join?
To: bvw; VRWC_minion; Southflanknorthpawsis
VRWC_minion's legal training must come from her reading of "Alice in Wonderland" and the Queen's court.
To: connectthedots
VRWC_minion's legal training must come from her reading of "Alice in Wonderland" and the Queen's court. A fine example of impeccable logic used by someone who disagrees with me.
To: connectthedots
If you didn't do it, simply tell the cops that since you don't know anything about the crime and didn't do it, there is no reason for the cops to question them and tell them to leave your property until that have either a search warrant or a warrant for your arrest. Had DW simply declined to talk to the cops, he would have never been charged.Is that how the other neighbors handled the police knocking at their doors?
I don't think so. Referring just to your advice to tell the cops to go away right away. Once they obviously were viewing him with suspicion by taking him to the PD, and maybe even before, he would have been well advised to ask for a lawyer then and there.
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