World Porn Ring Hits Home: Not like Poway, Fresno low on Van Dams relocatation list!

Fresno Bee ^ | August 10, 2002 | Jerry Bier

[FresnoDA]

A Clovis chiropractor was at the heart of an international child pornography ring that transmitted images so despicable they nauseated investigators, authorities said Friday after they unsealed indictments in Fresno.

Lloyd Alan Emmerson, 45, was among nine Americans and six foreigners charged with taking sexually explicit photographs of minors and sending them over the Internet as part of a ring whose members sometimes referred to themselves as "the club."

[FresnoDA]

San Diego Swings
The murder of little Danielle van Dam brought “swinging” into the spotlight. Log on to the World Wide Web, type in “San Diego” and “swingers” on the Yahoo search, and you get 6,160 hits. That’s more than “San Diego” in combination with “hiking trails” (2,570), “car clubs” (772) or “pet lovers” (359)—though not as many as “golfers” (7,430) or “Republicans” (18,900).

By Thomas K. Arnold

Club Paradise, according to its Web site, “is situated in the back hills of the El Cajon Valley, nestled in a secluded, yet easy to access area.” The facility offers a “high-class, home-party style environment” and boasts “5,000 square feet of fun, including a swimming pool, spa and backyard fire pit to socialize with your new friends while warming your erogenous zones.”

Guests are “welcome to bring some goodies (besides your wife)”—and once their erogenous zones are sufficiently warmed, they may choose from “plenty of play areas ... most prefer the living room floor or kitchen, but [private] rooms are always available.”

Club CB is an on-line club “providing a safe meeting place for sensuous consenting adults.” Member parties promise “the hottest couples, the best facilities, very tasty buffet dinners, scrumptious desserts and a staff dedicated to ensuring your experience is clean, fun and safe.”

Club CB party organizers boast they specialize in “stirring up erotic sensations and placing our members in the ideal environment to meet and expand friendships with the most exciting people in San Diego County ... all while raising funds for local charity foundations contributing to the research for multiple sclerosis and other debilitating diseases.”

Welcome to the wonderful—and apparently charitable—world of swinging, San Diego style.

Tony Lanzaratta, a retired Los Angeles police officer who, as executive director of NASCA International, probably has a better handle on swinging than anyone else in the country, stops short of saying San Diego is a hotbed for what he calls “play couples.”

“It’s impossible to chart,” Lanzaratta says. “But I travel a lot, and I know one thing: I meet a lot of people from San Diego.”

He says there are half a dozen organized swing clubs in San Diego County, some in private homes and some in commercial buildings. None is openly marked. “San Diego is a very conservative city,” he says, “so you just can’t do that.”

[FresnoDA]

Certainly, Fresno and Clovis are not on the Van Dam's short list for relocating...to spend their book/movie deal booty....

FresnoDA/frr

[FresnoDA]

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[connectthedots]

If the jury reads about these arrests and that many were parents who exploited their own children, it will help DW. As much as a person may find it hard to believe a parent would do such a thing, here is evidence that some do. These arrests, combined with entries in Danielle's diary, who force a reasonable person to suspect Damon or associate(s) of his in the dead of Danielle.

[fatima]

This is beyond sick.

[RnMomof7]

Tony Lanzaratta, a retired Los Angeles police officer

Makes you feel your children are safe ,and well protected ..Putting the fox in charge of the hen house

We have told the children in our family to look for a woman ..preferably a grandma type if they get lost or in trouble..this is why

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

Apparently I missed something - what are the entries you mentioned in the little girl's diary?

[DoughtyOne]

My father was a Sergeant with the Los Angeles County Special Enforcement Bureau in the 60s and 70s.  As such he was quite careful what groups or clubs he joined, because he did not want to jeopardize his credibility or the department's.  That was then.  This is now.

Beyond the legal or ethical ramifications of law enforcement officers joining such a group, what about the health implications?

The article documents the free sexual contacts that take place locally or in cities across this nation.  One visualizes a person having sexual intercourse with persons infected with HIV, Herpes, Syphilis, Gonorrhea or a myriad of other infectious diseases.  Then they travel across the nation spreading these diseases to whomever they wish, knowingly or unknowingly.

When I was a kid growing up, one guy warned me about a girl.  She was obviously very promiscuous.  He stated to me, "I wouldn't ---- her with your ----."  That was pretty self-explanatory.  Well folks, I wouldn't go near the Van Damns for love nor money.  In fact you can count me down as thinking that they should be labeled to be a public health risk.

They and their contacts break one of the taboos that have been one of my biggest complaints about promiscuous homosexuals.  Gay bath houses provide a setting where homosexuals can and do have sex with as many as 25 sexual partners in a weekend.  This doesn't not imply that they completed the sexual acts with them all, but that they had sexual contact with that many.  I don't approve of this any more in a heterosexual setting than I do in a homosexual setting.

If the diseases stayed within the swinger's groups that would be one thing, but they don't.  When one of these swingers ventures outside the swinger community, they infect the individual who has only temporarily unknowingly coupled with a swinger.  And that individual then goes on their merry way to infect other non swingers.  The most at risk are young adults.

This sexual freedom is sold under the auspices of intellectualism and an enlightened freedom.  "I'm open to the possibilities..."  In truth it is anything but.  The ignored problems that are associated with this community, affects our whole society, not only the idiots that knowingly participate.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I saw this on TV last night. I immediately thought of the VD's.

[Kerensky]

saw this on TV last night. I immediately thought of the VD's.

Wasn't one of Brenda's/Damon's friends at Dad's a little league coach who was also their drug supplier? Were the VD's boys on his team?

[rolling_stone]

I investigated and locked up child molesters for over seven years. Many times with much less evidence than they have in the Westerfield case.

Do you ever wonder why we can't keep these guys off the street? Your answer is in this room.
...................

Captain Ron,

Which guys are you trying to keep off the streets, the accused or the guilty? And speaking of locking up people with less evidence check these out:

Bill Wade, heavens no don't look at same MO down the stree & DNA
http://www.electpd.org/wadetragedy.htm

Dale Akiki looked guilty
http://www.ags.uci.edu/~dehill/witchhunt/cases/akiki.htm


Stephanie Crowe confessions!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/reports/crowe/
(Tuite now charged)

Cronyism?
http://www.join-hands.com/shaken_baby/california_neaves.html

Forensic evidence or payback?
http://www.truthinjustice.org/miller.htm


How many others who couldn't fight the system pled out?

Maybe there is some reasonable doubt floating around.

And by the way how come it took over 10 years to go after Martikian and an outside agency had to start it? Couldn't you all turn one of the perps who was investigated and locked up to rat him out? What is the statute of limitations in Indiana? How many molesters are there in a city of 25,000?

[Kerensky]

http://www.sandiego-online.com/issues/june02/featurec0602.shtml

"...Amid the superstores and strip malls that pass for community in the suburbs of San Diego, some small-town traditions remain. Parents still come out to watch their kids play Little League baseball, just like their parents did.

There’s sunshine and sunflower seeds. Dirt and grass.

But in the Carmel Mountain Ranch Little League, grass is a touchy subject this season. Parents have admitted smoking it, and one of them says a coach supplied it.

Grass. Marijuana, that is.

The coach is Rich Brady (not the well-known San Diego clothier with the same name). Some wanted Brady to resign, but others involved with his team threatened to pull their children out of the league if he left, according to a league official. Brady declined comment on the subject. The dispute went all the way to Little League headquarters in Williamsport, Pennsylvania.

The Carmel Mountain Ranch league was covering its bases, according to the league official. “The general consensus from everyone involved is unless the man is charged with something, and his performance on the field is affected by choices in his personal life, at this point there are no grounds to remove him,” the official says.

Rich Brady is still coaching, but “It’s one of those situations where we wish he would go away quietly,” says another coach.

And who is the parent who says Brady supplied marijuana?

Brenda van Dam..."

[Yeti]

Thanks for the ping, frez...

Hmmm.... a sex club where parents abuse their kids...

Alright, I am going to concentrate on this article really, really hard ... and lets see if you can read my mind...what am I thinking?

.....who do we know in southern california that is into sex clubs ???.....

But seriously, I noticed several things. Southern California is the only place where several molesters were geographically close to eachother. I also noticed that they said that they expect more arrests. I would guess maybe alot more. Ten perps is alot of video and papers and interviews and computers.

I noticed that the feds had solid evidence when they arrested ppl. I noticed the reference to a "leak" in the group a year ago, which would indicate a thorough, although maybe TOO lengthy investigation.

I am gonna wait and see, but it looks like I might get a chance to join the Hang 'Em High crowd for a change.

[goodieD]

Everyone in this ring should be instantly executed, on public telly, to send a message out to others who might consider this.

[John Jamieson]

Just "Daddy please love me" and "I'll be better next time" type stuff. The kid was flunking her lessons.

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

Ok - so things that may or may NOT indicate anything sexual..... Thanks for clarifying

[John Jamieson]

I took it as evidence of child abuse, by Damon.....I was not reffering to school lessons.

I think Danielle was sexually abused by her parents just like the other 45 kids in the local/international sex ring.

[calawah98]

Seattle TV, they picked a guy up in Spokane Wash, that is associated with this ring. He was using his 5 year old daughter. No name, but could be the one listed for the state of Wash in the news article.

[John Jamieson]

I know that song: "Ring on the Run"

[calawah98]

When they did the roundup in Feb they were arresting them in Seattle and Tacoma.

[Commander8]

This was all over the Sacramento tv stations.

[juzcuz]

Hi JJ:

The necklace thing really bothers me. Brenda said "she never took it off" in "two years". Kids who are abuse often wear clothes/things to cover abuse marks. What really bothers me is the fact that Brenda didn't make her take it off, in two years, since she was five.

I've asked my self, would a five year old (kindergartener- 5-6 years) be (fashion consciously-'aware') to want that choker on 'all the time'. I don't think so. At that age they must be encouraged/influenced as to what is fashionable. I say her mother encouraged her to wear it, 'all the time'.

[John Jamieson]

I've thought it was covering a scare since I first heard about it.

[Krodg]

scare/scar.... same thing. Richt?

[John Jamieson]

rite

[juzcuz]

to cover a scar-- makeup--

Besides, what kind of scar a surgical one, leaves a wide tissue scar to cover on the throat--thiroid/sp -gland?? That kind of scar would be closer to the collar/shoulder bones. I've seen that kind of scar on someone before..

Again, the necklace thing bothers me... Brenda said I never made her take it off.. Brenda was never asked, -Did you encourage her to keep it on....

[oremus]

www.unposted.com

[spectre]

I have seen these necklaces. Go to Claire's boutique or any earring store at the mall if you want to see what it is made of. The plastic is extremely flimsey and delicate. Without a doubt, the same necklace did NOT last for two years, if the child never took it off.

But worse than that, I am highly suspicious of the story about "the necklace" because the Van Dams never said anything without an intention.

That is, they purposefully made a huge deal about the necklace. Why? Because they KNEW she had the necklace on when she died. I still think whoever killed her, KNEW how much the little girl loved the necklace, so they left it on her. It was far, far, too delicate not to have been broken during the struggle for her life, as Dusek pointed out. It was a stretchie piece of plastic, as thin as a rubber band...not even as durable.

sw

[PoisedWoman]

said most of the defendants, if convicted, are facing sentences of 10 to 20 years in prison.

If the ACLU has their way, the perps will have full Internet access in prison so they can continue as audience for child rapes....they'll be raring to get back into it when they're released.

[PoisedWoman]

so things that may or may NOT indicate anything sexual.....

However, children who are incest victims almost always say and believe and even write down statements like those found in Danielle's diary. They're made to believe they are being raped because they are bad. They tiptoe around the assaulting parent trying to get on good side 24/7...what else can they do?

I edited book by a rather famous incest survivor, whose father started raping her on her first day of school, and she told me she spent her childhood working very hard at being a perfect little child. The foundation she started for incest victims found that they almost all shared this quality. "Please forgive me, I'll be better...." With parents like Brenda and Damon, it's not a huge leap to associate Danielle's writings with child rape.

[pinz-n-needlez]

Spec, you are dead on here (excuse the pun). I think we ought to take another look at the vds testimony. They didn't say a single thing without a purpose.

The guy who is on CTV with Lisa Bloom played a lot of the vd's testimony on Friday. I was shocked at the lies and carefully placed distractions that were in practically every answer.

I join Rheo: where' the dog bed? What color were the fibers?

Talking about the 'boo game,' Layla's bloody nose, the broken night light, etc. It all means something -- what?

Fox TV did an interview with an investigator about porn and pedophile profiles. DW is nothing like them. This timing is fortuitous. Leet's hope a few jurors don't turn the channel quite fast enough.

[Krodg]

Just a small item that has been bugging me. Both parents took credit for putting the gate in Danielle's doorway. Why the battle on this small detail?

[spectre]

"They didn't say a single thing without purpose".

So start with the 911 tape. Brenda gives way too much information, needlessly, in this tape. As you put it so well "carefully placed" distractions (or clues?)..

They are not that smart; it's just that the LE acted stupid buying one explanation after the other, changing stories and time-lines.

After the verdict, and the GAG order is lifted, there should be some very interesting reading and new information from all sides. (Although CTV and Larry King didn't have much of a problem with the GAG order, did they?) At least the Prosecution didn't have any complaints with them...go figure.

sw

[JudyB1938]

Off Topic, but you all might want to check this out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/730889/posts?page=1

FReeper Photo Album Discovered - ancient pics shed light on culture ofconservative news junkies

[juzcuz]

I saw the necklace-- in the bag photo--

I don't know how flimsy-(weak) the plastic necklace was, like in comparing new to worn and 2 years old. You could be right, that (they -whom ever ) thought the necklace was more important as a ID'ing type of thing, if that is what you are saying.
Maybe so, that the plastic became more important to Danielle out out sentiment, because she wore it for 2years prior. However, the prior Dec. she was bought (14 K gold or ?K-gold) Mickey M. earings, she didn't take that off either, according to Brenda. I say Brenda encouraged her to wear or not wear whatever.

Also, her teeth were missing --not her two front teeth, but the ones next to central incisors(or the ones on each side of the central- called 'LATERAL INCISORS'), these were 8- year permanent adult teeth, that were just breaking through the sockets. (see passport photo - show central incisors and baby canines) The only noticeable teeth are the front and baby canines. According to Sperber, her left/right incisors (next to central- that don't show in photo) were just breaking through -their crown were showing, according to the empty left and right sockets that he found.

This was also odd to me. According to Sperber, It was odd to him too. The sockets were there but not the left right permanant insicors. I say, it took more than force to dislodge those teeth. They had to be pulled. Again, really odd to me......................

[Hildy]

How do you know they have a movie deal?