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Elizabeth Smart case, August 13, 2002

Posted on 08/12/2002 9:08:54 PM PDT by IamHD

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1 posted on 08/12/2002 9:08:54 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: Bella; lakey; hergus; cherry; FR_addict; Palladin; Neenah; spore-gasm; L84AD8; varina davis
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2 posted on 08/12/2002 9:09:21 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: EnquiringMind; Soccer-Dad777; Iwo Jima; Partisan Hack; JudyB1938
Ping!

Or, if you don't want me to ping you, please let me know that, too. :)

3 posted on 08/12/2002 9:11:56 PM PDT by IamHD
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4 posted on 08/12/2002 10:46:34 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: IamHD
*Ping* me if you would...
5 posted on 08/12/2002 11:49:36 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: spore-gasm
"We've given all the description out that we think is helpful at this point."

The point of an early description would have been to find Elizabeth and her kidnapper as soon as possible. Everything should have been released to the public early on. If a mask was used, then even that should have been released. It is possible that someone in the public would have seen someone purchasing the type of mask.

But it seems more like the description is being drippled out slowly to convince the public that the police are still on top of the case.

7 posted on 08/13/2002 6:25:23 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
But it seems more like the description is being dribbled out slowly to convince the public that the police are still on top of the case.
8 posted on 08/13/2002 6:36:21 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
"But it seems more like the description is being dribbled out slowly to convince the public that the police are still on top of the case."

I think it's more likely that the info being dribbled out is intended strictly for whomever the police think is responsible for Elizabeth's disappearance. This is why I have never lent much credence to the statements about MK's story "remaining consistent"......to me, those statements sound designed for someone in particular rather than for the public.

9 posted on 08/13/2002 8:13:21 AM PDT by freedox
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To: spore-gasm
It seems that the public and in particular the searchers are being played the fool by the police. Many details which could and should have been released have been concealed by the police, and for no apparent purpose, or facts have been deliberately distorted.

The public can do a lot to assist the police, but not if they are deliberately given the wrong scent. In addition to locating the victim or identifying and locating the perp, the public can furnish information which links the perp to the crime (i.e., evidence).

Think of the guy who spotted Gary Condit disposing of the watch box. He would never have known that what he was seeing was at all significant had he not been given information about the investigation.
10 posted on 08/13/2002 8:30:34 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: spore-gasm
"We've given all the description out that we think is helpful at this point."

You would think that ALL of the description, or MORE of the description, would have been more helpful, initially, rather than what they were willing to give at the moment.

And the mask..I only read about the perp wearing a mask in one article, one time. Never heard about it again, and I can't remember what the source was. I have never heard LE state that the perp was wearing a mask, did you? Of course, I wasn't able to watch all press conferences on all the channels, but never did I hear this as a direct quote.

11 posted on 08/13/2002 8:36:02 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: Iwo Jima
Has there been no public outcry in SLC about this? Or does the public assume the police have their man, so no one is worried about the kidnapper striking again?

12 posted on 08/13/2002 8:36:28 AM PDT by cookiedough
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Done!
13 posted on 08/13/2002 8:36:46 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: Iwo Jima
You said it better than I ever could have, but we're on the same page.
14 posted on 08/13/2002 8:39:23 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: cookiedough
Maybe someone from SLC can let us know what common people are saying. But if the police think that Ricci is their man, they just don't have enough evidence to arrest him, they could very well have had that evidence if the public had been given a little more to work from.

For instance, if the perp wore a mask, someone might come forward to say "Yes, I sold a ski mask to someone who fits that description. I remember it well because we don't sell many ski masks in June."

Or something along those lines. Neither the public nor the police can have a clue what the public knows under these circumstances.
15 posted on 08/13/2002 9:14:19 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: spore-gasm
I believe the following quote applies in this case - to many involved: "If you can't convince them, confuse them."

With all the work done by Brigette, and on the many threads we have running since the beginning, we do see inconsistencies all around.

There is one fact only..Elizabeth Smart is absent from the family home.

People on this thread are called All Conspiracy All The Time people, for pointing out the inconsistencies given by the PD and the family. Yet those very inconsistecies are in print and transcripts that anyone can find. The inconsistencies are questioned all over the country. Yet, is it given to confuse the public? I don't know, but there is something wrong, and I find it hard to believe that someone connected with this investigation don't know it. If the people following this closely are saying in all over the land, not just on this running thread, then something is wrong. To believe otherwise, with confusion abounding all over in this case, is to take a Cookie Cutter stance on what was fed by the PD and family in it's inconsistencies, and call it cut and dried.

I feel such strong sorrow for this little 9 yr. old, MK. She don't even realize the heavy burden put on her as the sole witness to this, whether it is a crime or something else. And yet, it is called "protection" of her? Even the PD has changeed what she said to the media.....or we have a media that is inept., and are purposely misquoting the PD in print, with reporters working for different papers and publications. How likely is that?

16 posted on 08/13/2002 9:22:23 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Iwo Jima
It seems that the public and in particular the searchers are being played the fool by the police.
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I agree with you there Iwo Jima.
17 posted on 08/13/2002 9:25:06 AM PDT by L84AD8
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Can this be the same police department that acted so brilliantly to foil the Beesley kidnapping? That was 10 years ago, but I imagine many of the same police officers are involved in the Smart case. Go back and read brigette's links on how they caught the Campbell gang. It was the ultimate in excellent police work. They even installed lights on top of the getaway van to track it from the air! And a device to cut off the ignition by remote control as the van drove up Fedral Way to enact a vicious crime. Come on, people....these are not the Mayberry cops, but a sophisticated, well-equipped, tecnically-savvy department. I believe they have all their ducks in a row, but are intent on getting all the collaborators before they charge Ricci.
18 posted on 08/13/2002 9:52:33 AM PDT by Palladin
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At the risk of sounding like a LE apologist, I think we should all remember that Jeanne Boylan had many of same questions we have had before she was let in on what's happening on the inside of this case. It seems like we may be wiser to keep our powder dry for the time being.
19 posted on 08/13/2002 10:16:33 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Palladin
Salt Lake City Weekly -

Media Beat - June 20, 2002

Little Girl Lost

by Paul Swenson

I was in a New York hotel room when I saw the first report of Elizabeth Smart’s kidnapping on CNBC, which was promoting the Utah story with images from a now overly familiar Smart family home video in which the mild but playful Elizabeth is mugging for the camera during a family cookout at a beach.

The story was getting equal billing in the news hour with an interview with tinhorn Watergate burglar G. Gordon Liddy, who was supposed to provide “insight” into the current difficulties of the troubled FBI from the perspective of an ex-agent during the agency’s tough-guy, J. Edgar Hoover-era. Liddy is making his living these days posing as a journalist, and the fury I felt on that June morning was a mixture of the despair that devolves from living in a world where violence and fear invade a quiet Salt Lake City neighborhood and from seeing the fake rehabilitation of a cheap criminal like Liddy as a patriotic media star.

In watching the CNBC coverage of the at-gunpoint abduction, which included an account by KUTV’s Elizabeth Dannheim, and an outdoor news conference in the leafy-green Arlington Hills neighborhood where the kidnapping occurred, I was struck by the contrasting descriptions of the missing victim by the young TV reporter and by Salt Lake Police Chief Rick Dinse. Dannheim referred to the 14-year-old Smart as a “young woman,” while the silver-headed Dinse (obviously from another generation) designated her a “little girl.”

The “little girl lost” tenor of some of the coverage, with its images of beautiful blond daughters of a once unruffled and now shattered family in an upscale neighborhood, played to sentimental biases—not only to those Utahns who regard teenage females as uniquely vulnerable—but apparently hooked national audiences as well. It ran cross-grain, however, to family and police appeals designed to hopefully empower the missing teen (should she be listening) as a survivor, and to her physical characteristics (a 5-foot-6 teen female is not “little”).

En route back to Salt Lake from Manhattan, I caught up with front-page stories on the abduction in USA Today and the Denver Post. In Utah, after plowing through accumulated local papers, I perused New York Times coverage, which proved informative in such small details as specifically naming the crime-scene neighborhood (Arlington Hills rather than the more generic Federal Heights, used in the Salt Lake Tribune and the Deseret News).

The initial Times story, under the byline of Nick Madigan, noted the odd circumstance that the Edward Smart family lives across the street from Brent and Bonnie Jean Beesley, the target family in a foiled 1992 plot to kidnap one of the Beesley children for a $3-million ransom—a fact first reported in Derek Jensen’s and Pat Reavy’s June 5 Deseret News piece and omitted from Salt Lake Tribune reports. Bonnie Jean Beesley told the Times that in the middle of the night after the intruder had disappeared with Elizabeth, Ed Smart “came over and banged on our door and asked if our kids were all right. That’s the kind of guy he is.”

Almost a week of stories indicating the police investigation had made little progress—particularly Kevin Cantera’s June 11 report in the Salt Lake Tribune, headlined “Smart Case Stumps Police”— may have gotten under the department’s skin. That same day, Chief Dinse called another press conference (local media have swallowed the “news briefing” public relations lingo to describe these events) to announce what sounded like a first break in the case—although hedged with enough ambiguity to suggest the chief may have been trying to deflect heat from investigators.

Derek Jensen’s Deseret News piece—phoned in on deadline after the press conference with the tabloid headline, “We are going to get you”—concluded that Dinse’s announcement contained “a major development.” Police were narrowing the investigation to neighborhood individuals who may have had contact with the family at the time of the kidnapping.

Cantera’s Tribune report the next morning played it safer. “We don’t have an identified suspect but we do have an analysis of what the suspect is like” was the Dinse quote played most prominently.

That afternoon, however, Jensen and Jose Carvajal wrote in the News that the kidnapper may have watched his victim for weeks before taking her (citing a former FBI profiler), and said police sought to question Bret Michael Edmunds, 26,—wanted on earlier warrants and believed the driver of a suspicious car seen in the neighborhood by a milkman before the abduction. The News used a police photo of Edmunds on the jump page of its page 1 story, and by evening, TV news (“Tune in at 10 to learn if he has a police record”—KTVX, Channel 4) had also pounced on the photo.

As theories continued to fly, Cantera and Michael Vigh reported on June 13 that the Tribune had learned that police were postulating Smart may have been taken by a member of her extended family, who staged it to look like the work of an outsider.

For a period following the abduction, one salutary effect on local TV’s early morning and noon news shows of being forced to deal with a close-to-home story of tragic dimensions was the sobering up of such characteristically shallow and frivolous news teams as Ron Bird and Mary Nichols on Channel 2. For a few precious days, at least, the joking stopped.

Source

20 posted on 08/13/2002 10:22:20 AM PDT by Neenah
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