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Romney, Outsmarted: ObamaCare dashed Romney's presidential hopes before he's even announced
The Wall Street Journal ^ | March 31, 2010 | Allysia Finley

Posted on 03/31/2010 3:24:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Mitt Romney may end up being the biggest GOP casualty of ObamaCare -- his 2012 presidential hopes dashed before he's even announced a bid.

Mr. Romney has continued vociferously campaigning against ObamaCare even while defending a very similar universal health-care plan he signed into law as Massachusetts's governor in 2006. Last week, he inveighed on the National Review blog that "President Obama has betrayed his oath to the nation . . . . he has succumbed to the lowest denominator of incumbent power: justifying the means by extolling the ends."

Critically, Republicans need to win the presidency in order to have any shot at repealing ObamaCare, as many GOPers insist should be the goal. Imagine Mr. Romney trying to carry this banner in 2012 in a debate with fellow GOP primary opponents. His Republican rivals would get plenty of mileage from a quote by MIT's Jonathan Gruber, a former Romney adviser who bragged that ObamaCare would never have happened if Mr. Romney hadn't made "the decision in 2005 to go for it. He is in many ways the intellectual father of national health reform."

Mr. Romney has been frantically trying to distinguish the bills to conservatives. At Iowa State on Monday he claimed: "We solved our problem at the state level. Like it or not, it was a state solution." In Chicago last week, he said: "Our bill was carried out in a bipartisan basis." Judging by the questions he gets from audiences, voters aren't buying it. The Club for Growth has gone so far as to say that Mr. Romney's "in the wrong party."(continued)

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TOPICS: Massachusetts; Issues; Parties; Polls
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Hoist on his own petard!
1 posted on 03/31/2010 3:24:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So Huckabee is out because he is soft on crime and that led to the deaths of 4 police officers and Romney is out because his health plan is now the law of the land.

I wonder who'll be left?

2 posted on 03/31/2010 3:26:23 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Ron Paul of course. ;-)


3 posted on 03/31/2010 3:28:15 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the whole series of Zero dollar bills, go here:

"Flickr Archive of Zero Bills"

4 posted on 03/31/2010 3:29:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Romney is verboten! He’s a pretty face with Democratic Party ideals!?
5 posted on 03/31/2010 3:30:46 PM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: pnh102

Hopefully no more 2008 retreads


6 posted on 03/31/2010 3:31:03 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This has been Obama’s pattern of behavior since he first started running for public office. He likes to remove the competition early and without getting his hands dirty. I believe he is afraid of Palin, so far his efforts against her haven’t worked.


7 posted on 03/31/2010 3:31:24 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: pnh102

Ron Paul, of course!! [kookoo, kookoo!]


8 posted on 03/31/2010 3:34:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
ObamaCare dashed Romney's presidential hopes before he's even announced

Every dark cloud has a silver lining.

9 posted on 03/31/2010 3:34:49 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d estimate that the GOP has exactly one more chance to get a good, conservative nominee, or it’s gonna be curtains for them and America.

At some point, there ain’t gonna be a second chances, no more mulligans, no more Bob Dole’s turn, none of that crap. It’s going to be win right now or lose the country forever.


10 posted on 03/31/2010 3:35:39 PM PDT by chris37
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To: nolongerademocrat

O tried to day with the oil drilling deal. I won’t work on Sarah tho. Cap & Tax is a deal breaker in his attempt to take the issue from Sarah.


11 posted on 03/31/2010 3:36:17 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: lowbridge

You people are nuts. That’s it ... trash Romney. We will have no one to put up against Obama and he will win re-election.

I am convinced that many of you anti-Romney people are MoveOn / Huffington Post posters pretending to care about the USA.


12 posted on 03/31/2010 3:38:40 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: Clyde5445

I think Sarah could really cause him to lose it -


13 posted on 03/31/2010 3:38:49 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: pnh102

Someone who knows what they are fighting for.


14 posted on 03/31/2010 3:38:56 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Confiscation of wealth with out explicit consent is not charity.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m a MA resident. My accountant and I were talking while she did my taxes. She needed my health insurance plan ID number which is required to be put on the state tax form. She told me one of her clients is a younger guy(
auto mechanic) who didn’t have any insurance. The state took his refund($400) and he owes the state another $600 all because he had no insurance


15 posted on 03/31/2010 3:39:53 PM PDT by GQuagmire ( We are no longer Massholes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

MSM getting scared?


16 posted on 03/31/2010 3:40:07 PM PDT by byteback
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To: All

I knew this was coming. I think Krauthammer also made reference to this.

This is the beginning of the end for Romney.


17 posted on 03/31/2010 3:46:17 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: whitedog57
The last time we put up a RINO up against Obama, we got Obama. The last time we put up a RINO up against Clinton. We got clinton. The last time we put a RINO up against clintons re-election, we got Clinton again. If we put Romney up against Obama, we will get Obama re-elected.

Romney is NOT our only one.

18 posted on 03/31/2010 3:49:12 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is such horse s**t.

The writer is 8 months out of college in The Peoples’ Republic of California with a degree in whatever the hell “American Studies” is, and someone with an IQ of over 14 wants to listen to her opinion on anything, much less who will be the next American president?

Some salient points:

#1: Romney can defuse MassCare in 2 minutes.

“Yes we it passed in Massachusetts. I wasn't just in favor of it. I bought the phony statistics and liberal promises big time. I was totally in favor it. I pushed for it... and boy, was I wrong. It was and is a disaster. Other than obamacare, it's the worst healthcare mistake America ever made. It was the worst, most wrong, most foolish decision of my life. I thought it might work. We didn't know better. i

The only thing worse is, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats, they knew better. They had seen the Massachusetts Medical Monster. They knew it was a disaster, but they went ahead and passed it nationwide.

Actually, They didn't pass it nationwide. They passed something much worse. And they didn't really pass it as much as they bribed it into passage with the Louisiana Purchase, The Cornhusker Kickback and a thousand other backroom deals. They took your money, gave it to people who didn;t deserve it, and crammed this Medical Monstrosity down your throat.

The one good thing about the Massachusetts Medical Monster.... actually the Massachusetts Mistake is that we know now how bad it is. We don't have to wait forObamacare to destroy America. We don't have to wait for Obamacare to poison your relationship with your doctor. We don;t have to wait until people we love die because of Obamacare. Because of the Massachusetts Medical Monster, we know how bad Obamacare is and will be.... but we don;t have to sit still and let it kill our healthcare, we don't have sit still and let it kill our economy. We don't have to sit still and let it kill us!

We can elect responsible Republicans... and replace Obamacare before it kills us!”

End of issue

#2: Are we really going to sit still and let FR descend into just a Hate Romney site? I don't like him, but we are better than that!

19 posted on 03/31/2010 3:50:45 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: whitedog57; lowbridge
I am convinced that many of you anti-Romney people are MoveOn / Huffington Post posters pretending to care about the USA.

This poster gets the Hyperbole Post of the Day Award!
20 posted on 03/31/2010 3:53:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: MindBender26

So his defense will be “I was against it before I was for it and now I am against it”?


21 posted on 03/31/2010 3:54:33 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: MindBender26
I am convinced that many of you anti-Romney people are MoveOn / Huffington Post posters pretending to care about the USA.

There goes that Hate Card again.

Generally, when someone pulls out the hate-card, they've run out of ammunition on the subject and are left with deceitful debate tactics.

Furthermore, Myth Romney is just the 2012 version of John McCain, the worst possible candidate the GOP could put up to alienate their base.
22 posted on 03/31/2010 3:55:01 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney should stop spending his money on his own campaign. It will never exceed 20% within the Republican Party. He cannot win.

RomneyCare = 0bummerCare.

There is no difference worth mentioning. And the results are disastrous.


23 posted on 03/31/2010 3:57:34 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Civil Disobedience: Refuse Unconstitutional 0bummerCare. Let them try to arrest millions.)
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To: pnh102

Scott Brown. Sarah Palin.


24 posted on 03/31/2010 4:00:00 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: MindBender26

RomneyCARE-creator and carpetbagging, fascist imposer Mitt Romney:
”Now that my Romneycare is national, ready to hurt hundreds of millions,
a little self examination may be in order for you conservative FReepers.
You may want to ask yourself “if I had spent my time promoting
RomneyCare and Mitt Romney, could not I have garnered more support
of both Mr. Obama and Gov. Mitt Romney?“


“Romney praises Obama again
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney praised President Obama
at a GOP fundraising dinner Wednesday ..
"I also think it's important for us to nod to the president when he's right," Romney said....
Romney, who spoke at a dinner for the National Republican Senatorial Committee,
said he's pleased with the president's plans to "finish the job" in Iraq and Afghanistan
-- lines that drew applause from the partisan audience. He also applauded the president
for standing up to the auto industry.
"I hope he continues to be tough ....The former businessman even offered faint praise for
Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, saying that after a series of initial missteps,
"I think he's finally getting close to the right answer."



25 posted on 03/31/2010 4:03:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: whitedog57
I am not picking a fight but I must tell you... I worked for Reagan's campaign twice in my State... I have been a Conservative activist since 1970. I am a life long member of the NRA. I am a Christian who has been active in the pro life movement... and I drove to Florida to help fight Gore's stealing of the election in 2000... and I will NEVER vote for romney for any office ever. If he is what the republicans want to put forward for their candidate... or huckster for that matter... they will do it without my labor, my money or my vote. The rnc will not see a penny until steele is gone. These points are nonnegotiable. I am NOT alone. I am NOT liberal and I have never been to any left-wing evilcrat site... ever!

LLS

26 posted on 03/31/2010 4:06:07 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: whitedog57
Do you think ROMNEY cares about America?


While Gov.Palin was working against ObamaCARE
where was the most-RINO backstabber-in-chief Mitt Romney?

Hiding, sending out his manipulators,
selling his ghostwritten book,
helping Gore push the fraud of climate change,
and actually (true to form) attacking the "tea party".



27 posted on 03/31/2010 4:10:15 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: LibLieSlayer
BREAKING: ROMNEY REMOVED HIS STAFFERS
WHO ATTACKED Gov. PALIN and her CHILDREN on the EVE
of ELECTION 2008, throwing the Election to Obama.

"Never mind."

28 posted on 03/31/2010 4:10:58 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t like the Massachusetts socialized mediciine scheme any more than Obamacare, but the *big* difference is that the people of the *state* of Massachusetts overwhelmingly wanted something very much like what they got. Romney wasn’t ramming it down their throats (though he didn’t exactly knock himself out trying to help them understand why it would be a bad thing). Obamacare has been rammed down the throats of the entire country. Politicians who give the sheeple what they stupidly clamor for shouldn’t be tarred with the same brush as those who force thinking and unthinking people alike to take something neither group wants.


29 posted on 03/31/2010 4:11:27 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: whitedog57

Easy there buddy.

I voted for Romney in the primaries. He was the best candidate going at the time.

Given the same scenario I’d do it again. I hope that’s not the case next time around. We can do much much better.


30 posted on 03/31/2010 4:14:30 PM PDT by diverteach (D.C. has become Jonestown)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

No. Romney RAMMMED RomneyCARE and ROMNEY-Marriage down
the throats of voters without their vote.

Got that, Mr. Pennsylvania, who is pro-ROMNEY?

Romney is a Carpetbagger. So why don’t you two adopt
ROMNEYCARE in Pennsylvania instead of forcing it on
others, so selfishly?


31 posted on 03/31/2010 4:15:09 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would bet good money that Gov. Rick Perry of Texas will be running for President with the theme, “Look how strong the Texas economy is. I can bring back growth.”

The dude is a VERY good politician who says all the right things. I’m betting he is tight with the Republican Party’s inner circle and power brokers. He was W’s protege.

Sarah may get another shot at VP.


32 posted on 03/31/2010 4:34:11 PM PDT by darth
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To: Diogenesis

I’m not interested in forcing any kind of health care scheme on anyone. Just pointing out that Massachusetts is an overwhelmingly leftist state, and there was very strong support there for a scheme of this sort when Romney was governor and engineered its passage. On the other hand, there was very strong nationwide opposition to Obamacare, and Obama knocked himself out to ram it through anyway. These are not comparable political acts.

I have no idea who the viable candidates for the 2012 Republican nomination will be, and therefore no idea if Romney would be my first choice among them. I do know, however, that if Romney ends up as the Republican nominee, I’d vote for him over Obama without a nanosecond’s hesitation. I’d pick him over McCain too, but thankfully I’m sure McCain is out of the Presidential picture. If there’s going to be a better nominee than Romney, that has a real chance to win the Presidency, the focus of those who want Obama out needs to be on building up alternative candidates, not attacking Romney 24/7.

Much of the work that needs to be done is one-on-one educating of voters who really don’t get why the slide towards socialism is so evil and dangerous. As it stands now, I have serious doubts as to whether anyone with a stronger commitment to a Constitutional Republic than Romney is electable, because so much of the voting public just doesn’t get it. I’d love to see a President who is fervently committed to getting the federal government 100% out of medical care, education, social security, and all the other socialist programs, as well as out of the UN. Obviously that President wouldn’t be Romney, but just as obviously, that President would never get elected by the current population of voting Americans. I’m not willing to help hand President Obama another term on a silver platter, by stubbornly to refusing to back any candidate who isn’t trumpeting the massive slashing of the federal government that I’d really like to see.


33 posted on 03/31/2010 4:38:52 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

well at least a small bit of good came from the implamentation of Obammycare.


34 posted on 03/31/2010 4:50:59 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: GovernmentShrinker; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; EternalVigilance; Reagan Man; Elsie; ...
Imposition by fascism is not democracy, even if
your pro-Romney cult in Pennsylvania thinks so.

FASCIST ROMNEY DOES NOT ALLOW CITIZENS TO VOTE

Second, no one will ever vote for Romney again.
Team ROMNEY attacked the GOP VP candidate in the last election.
Such treachery is rewarded where? In Pennsylvania?

35 posted on 03/31/2010 5:04:51 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Much of the work that needs to be done is one-on-one educating of voters who really don’t get why the slide towards socialism is so evil and dangerous.

I'd no more trust someone who thinks Romney (the most successfully leftist Governor in the history of the republic) is acceptable to "educate" anyone I cared about than I would trust Bill Clinton to educate them about marital fidelity and chastity.

36 posted on 03/31/2010 5:14:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Without God in the equation, no sums add up.)
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To: Diogenesis
In the comments section online there's a fantastic post where somebody crunches some numbers and figures that per person spending on private health care was about $3,000, while per person spending in government health care was more than $12,800! Private is much more efficient.

He wants to know why, if he can crunch the numbers, can't Romney?

I welcome this development. The quicker Romney's outta here, the sooner.

37 posted on 03/31/2010 5:42:31 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: whitedog57

Stick a fork in him, Romney is done. 0bama neutered him with one bill. That’s what happens when you work for one side and pretend to be on the other. Sooner or later one or both sides will trump you.


38 posted on 03/31/2010 6:27:02 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A lightweight-socialist can outsmart ANY statist wannabee at his own game. Mitt doesn’t have enough Moscow street-cred to match wealth-redistribution with Barry.


39 posted on 03/31/2010 6:27:04 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: whitedog57

Romney blows. You’re the liberal. Not us.


40 posted on 03/31/2010 6:29:51 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmm...something good comes out of this travesty...


41 posted on 03/31/2010 6:31:11 PM PDT by Allegra (SEIU delenda est)
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To: MindBender26
“Yes we it passed in Massachusetts. I wasn't just in favor of it. I bought the phony statistics and liberal promises big time. I was totally in favor it. I pushed for it... and boy, was I wrong. It was and is a disaster. Other than obamacare, it's the worst healthcare mistake America ever made. It was the worst, most wrong, most foolish decision of my life. I thought it might work. We didn't know better.

Mitt Romney probably can't and won't do this because this is precisely what his father did with the Viet Nam war and he lost big time. It seems because of his father's situation, Mittens has never been able to admit he has gotten anything wrong. Because to do what you have said would mean he would have to admit he was "brainwashed" just like his dad.

42 posted on 03/31/2010 6:33:38 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: SoConPubbie
I have no idea what you are talking about.

I have never posted that.

The reality that FR was so good that the Left felt they needed to co-opt it is rather obvious, but I have no idea where you got that quote.

43 posted on 03/31/2010 8:03:19 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: SoConPubbie
The other reality is that Conservatives had better not repeat the mistakes of the past in 2010 and 2012.

The real battles will be waged in the Primaries, not the Generals.

All too often we do little to ensure the Conservative candidate is nominated, then complain that the candidate that is nominated is too liberal. Let's get off out butts now. Conservative candidates cannot win unless they are on the mainline ballot. 3d parties are a worthless dream. They only split the vote and allow the Dem in.

We need to work TODAY to get the Conservative nominated, not cry about who is. If Romney is nominated, he will be better than whoever the Dems run.... and he will be OUR fault!

44 posted on 03/31/2010 8:08:27 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: MindBender26
We need to work TODAY to get the Conservative nominated, not cry about who is. If Romney is nominated, he will be better than whoever the Dems run.... and he will be OUR fault!

I agree, except for the Romney part.

As proof I offer this: if McCain had won the election, would we have seen the Tea Parties?

If McCain had won the election, would we have gotten some sort of Universal Healthcare solution? Probably; it wouldn't have been as bad as Obamas, but it would have happened because McCain believes in compromising principles and big-government solutions. It would have further destroyed the GOP and enabled the Democrats/RINOs to move the US to the left for years to come with no organized fight from groups like the Tea Parties because it originated from the GOP.

If McCain had won the election, I can garantee he would have gotten Amnesty. The result being the complete disintegration of the GOP as the Independents, conservatives and small "l" libertarians left the party. Instead, Obama and team, with the help of the RINOs will attempt to push that through now with the result of further alienating independents, Republicans, and even some Democrats from the Demcrats and increasing our margin of victory come this November. Furthermore, we will get the added benefit of further cleansing the party of more RINOs come November because of their treacherous behavior on this issue.

If McCain had won in November, he would have been able to pass Cap-and-Trade, which he supported. Another nail in the coffin for the GOP because it would have originated with the GOP. Instead, Zero, the Democrats, and some RINOs will attempt to push this through once again alienating more of various voting groups.

Those are just some of the issues that are important today.

Mitt is the 2012 model of McCain. He believes almost totally in everything McCain believes in. A Myth Romney presidency would be just as devasting to the GOP, as shown also by his Governership and the devasting hit the MA GOP took, as a potential McCain Presidency would have been.

No Mitt, No Way, No How, Notever!

Not in the Primary, Not in the General.
45 posted on 03/31/2010 10:15:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: MindBender26; whitedog57
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Sorry, I meant that post for Whitedog57

He's the one that posted that loser post!
46 posted on 03/31/2010 10:18:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Diogenesis

Now that’s funny!

LLS


47 posted on 04/01/2010 4:29:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Great.

You just agreed to help elect Obama again if Conservatives fail to make their case and Romney is nominated.

No wonder the libs laugh at us.


48 posted on 04/01/2010 4:31:04 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: SoConPubbie

However, he did raise two important issues.

This place does now have, because of its success in years past, many quiet but effettive trolls.

This site has taken on an anti-Romney tone far beyond its called for importance. FR is using anti-Romney spots in some of its largest donation-generating efforts. Why is that? How about taking on Pelosi, Obama, Sharpton, etc.


49 posted on 04/01/2010 4:35:23 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: pnh102

Why not Bob McDonnell, or Chris Christie.


50 posted on 04/01/2010 4:42:19 AM PDT by o2bfree (This president is giving me a headache!)
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