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Jan, Thank You, Jan: Gov. Brewer Vetoes AZ’s “Birther Bill” (Left rejoices!)
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Posted on 04/19/2011 7:02:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In a somewhat surprising move, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed the so-called “birther bill,” which would require presidential candidates to show proof of citizenship. When the bill passed the Arizona legislature it seemed all but a done deal.

Wait. Brewer did?!? Jan Brewer? Yes. Yes, she did. Jan, thank you, Jan.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

In an uncharacteristic move of sense and sensibility, the Republican governor — who, let’s face it, has a reputation for steering into the crazy, not away from it — surprised everyone with her veto letter, saying the measure “is a bridge too far,” according to My Fox Phoenix, and that House Bill 2177 “creates significant new problems while failing to do anything constructive for Arizona.”

Leading up to her veto, Brewer had been fairly mum on whether she would sign the bill into law.

“I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their ‘early baptismal or circumcision certificates,’” she said.

And like that, until another state attempts to pass a birther bill, it seems the controversy over whether or not President Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii has been put to rest.

The Arizona legislature could still override the governor’s veto, but that hasn’t been accomplished in 50 years. Such a move requires a two-thirds majority vote in both chambers, so it appears for now that legislators will not even attempt an override.

“Overrides are a real difficult monster,” said the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Carl Seel (R-Phoenix), according to the Arizona Republic. He said that overrides are as much about defying the governor, also a Republican, as they are about supporting the legislation’s intent.

Other reactions from state legislators have been mixed:

Democrats cheered Brewer’s decision Monday, while some members of her own party questioned the wisdom of her actions.

“At the end of the day, it was the right thing for Arizona,” Sen. Steve. Gallardo, D-Phoenix, said of the veto, adding that the birth-certificate bill “puts another black cloud over the state of Arizona.”

But Sen. Steve Smith, R-Maricopa, said the bill would have put questions to rest over Obama’s citizenship.

Rep. Jack Harper, R-Surprise, said he wasn’t surprised by her action, suggesting that Brewer believed the bill would put the secretary of state in an uncomfortable position.

In her letter, Brewer wrote, “I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions.”

It should also be noted that Brewer even vetoed Arizona’s guns on campus bill, perhaps a more noteworthy veto. That legislation, according to the Arizona Daily Star, would have allowed people to have guns while walking or driving through university and community college campuses. The governor said although she generally supports allowing people to carry their weapons in more places, the “poorly written” legislation had too many flaws, including a failure to clearly define public places where guns would be allowed.

When Gov. Brewer is the sensible one, what does that say about your state legislators?

Then again, she did sign into law a bill that states “Arizona would prefer that married couples be given higher consideration for adoptions than non-married people, if all other factors are equal.” In other words, she would prefer gay couples not adopt kids.

Two steps forward, one step back.


TOPICS: Arizona; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: banglist; certifigate; janbrewer; obama
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1 posted on 04/19/2011 7:02:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It looks like Pelosi gets to decide who is on the ballot in AZ now just like 2008. Thanks Jan.


2 posted on 04/19/2011 7:07:02 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

it’s one way only:

conservatives decompensate into liberals,

but never do liberals upgrade to conservatives.


3 posted on 04/19/2011 7:07:07 AM PDT by ken21 (dem taxes + regs + unions = jobs overseas.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Over-ride the veto.....


4 posted on 04/19/2011 7:09:49 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think that she vetoed it because I believe that the bill stated that if there was a dispute or question it was left to whomever the Secretary of State is to give a yea or nay. This could result in unintended political consequences if the AZ SoS were a criminal democrat. It would be a precedent that could be challenged in court and emulated by democrat controlled states.


5 posted on 04/19/2011 7:10:04 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, to date, not one state in the union has a law requiring anything more than a COLB?


6 posted on 04/19/2011 7:10:09 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ecomcon
No state requires ANYTHING!!
7 posted on 04/19/2011 7:11:19 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And like that, until another state attempts to pass a birther bill, it seems the controversy over whether or not President Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii has been put to rest.

Just HOW does this put this question "to rest"?

8 posted on 04/19/2011 7:12:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ecomcon
"So, to date, not one state in the union has a law requiring anything more than a COLB?"

Fidel Castro for POTUS!

9 posted on 04/19/2011 7:15:18 AM PDT by eCSMaster (We will fight for America and it starts here in Madison, WI. It starts here. It starts now.)
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To: ken21

As someone else put it (Lenin, Stalin, Marx... someone like that)

“the forces of socialism only march in one direction”


10 posted on 04/19/2011 7:15:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SERKIT

40 to 16 is 71% over ride the veto!


11 posted on 04/19/2011 7:23:33 AM PDT by bird4four4 (God Damn America!!! - Mr. Wright, your prayer has been answered 11-4-08)
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To: SERKIT

Anybody know what the chances of veto being overridden?


12 posted on 04/19/2011 7:30:41 AM PDT by scbison
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Look for her to get a huge check from Soros after she leaves her government job behind her.


14 posted on 04/19/2011 7:47:34 AM PDT by juno67
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Brewer is dead to me


15 posted on 04/19/2011 8:13:05 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Listen guys and gals, there is heavy duty blackmail going on in this country. I do not know what it is, but when the threat is conveyed to whomever, it scares the hell out of all of them. Ask yourself, if Brewer had a problem with the legislation, why didn't she voice this concern when the bill was being drafted? Her weak brained excuse is just something to grab onto to hide the eleventh hour blackmail that just took place.The blackmailers didn't want to play their hand until they had to and they did it last night. When the bill passed both houses, they had to do it. Another possibility is the the blackmailers deliberately waited to convey the threat, knowing that a veto would improve their chances that the law would die. They scared the hell out of her and she rolled over. There is no justification behind her argument that the secretary of state decision is final, since it clearly can be challenged if the decision is arbitrary, capricious or unreasonable. It is just something to throw out there to try to keep the natives from revolting./p>
16 posted on 04/19/2011 8:21:01 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball

It may not be blackmail but rather death threats. Look at Glenn Beck: Doesn’t he look like a man who saw a ghost? Ups and quits and heads out of Dodge, BOOM! Just like that! George Soros is one of the richest men on Earth and he’s not the only billionaire Democrat by any means! With that kind of money almost anything is possible.


17 posted on 04/19/2011 8:29:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: iontheball

Somebody put a horse’s head in her bed.


18 posted on 04/19/2011 8:30:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: chris37

Please do not use God’s name in that way.
Go to the Kos, they like that stuff over there, most on
this forum don’t, thanks.


19 posted on 04/19/2011 10:07:02 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was surprised at her statement last Friday that she might veto this bill, so the actual veto wasn’t such a surprise. Last night I discussed the issue with a fairly savvy lawyer who said the way the law was written, she probably did the right thing.

Remember: this law left it to the Secretary of State to be the sole arbiter on eligibility, Remember also: Soros has funded a project to install (Soros friendly) Secretaries of State throughout the US. So, were a SoS so inclined s/he could eliminate candidates at will, with potentially dire consequences, rather than those intended by the bill’s authors).

This lawyer suggested instead that the electors (who we are actually voting for) should bear responsibility to vet candidates according to an established procedure before the electors are allowed on the ballot. Those electors would have to certify the eligibility of the candidate for whom they might ultimately cast their electoral votes. In the least populated states, that would be 3R an 3D electors who would have to vet and certify the candidates’ eligiility. They could then submit to the SoS who would verify that the information was properly obtained/vetted by the respective teams of electors. Assuming that is done properly, the electors for the candidate are then put on the respective states’ ballots.


20 posted on 04/19/2011 10:23:06 AM PDT by EDINVA (wh)
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To: EDINVA

Yes, there are all sort of alternative ways to verify the credentials of a candidate, but if Brewer had such a problem with the bill, why did she wait until it was passed by both houses to veto it? She clearly was in a position to voice those objections long before her veto last night. Her action is not leadership, it is gotcha politics and the question is what happened on her way down the church aisle to say “I do?”


21 posted on 04/19/2011 11:08:18 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball

Well, that was definitely a question I raised. She and/or her staff could have worked with the legislators to come up with a formula she would e willing to sign off on as Gov. Unless there’s some state conflict of interest law that prohibits the state executive and state legislature from working together on the wording of bills. I don’t know AZ law at all.

Hopefully they get it into a format that she will sign off on soon, i.e. before 2012.


22 posted on 04/19/2011 11:48:46 AM PDT by EDINVA (wh)
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To: Doulos1

Personally, I hope God damn’s the GOP, because they deserve to be damned by God.

I’ve no use for cowards, and most people for that matter. God gave us the gift of intelligence, and we’ve used it to advance Evil in almost every single corner of this earth.

In fact, there is so much Evil running rampant on this earth, that I’m going to say if my Lord is up there concerning himself with my using his name in this way to describe cowards who refuse to stand tall in the face of Evil, then we are damned, sir or ma’am, all of us.

And no, I’m not going to the kos. If you don’t like my language, then I’m sorry to you, but sometimes I get mad and disgusted enough to curse, and this is one of those times.


23 posted on 04/19/2011 12:08:01 PM PDT by chris37 (awesome!)
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To: chris37
Personally, I hope God damn’s the GOP, because they deserve to be damned by God.

Seems a jot extreme.

24 posted on 04/19/2011 12:11:06 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: paulycy

Perhaps, but we live in some extreme times.

Good men who do nothing in the face of Evil are not good men in my opinion.


25 posted on 04/19/2011 2:31:51 PM PDT by chris37 (awesome!)
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To: chris37
Good men who do nothing in the face of Evil are not good men in my opinion.

Yes, that's true, but it's really not our place to damn them to hell now, is it?

26 posted on 04/19/2011 2:36:24 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She went gutless when push-came-to-shove

How hard is it to get a Long Form Birth Certificate? (I mean if you really want to get one)


27 posted on 04/19/2011 4:06:12 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. ~Psalm 146:3


28 posted on 04/19/2011 4:09:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This country will be 17 or 18 trillion in debt by the time the Undocumented Kenyan leaves office - it will be fait accompli by then anyways.


29 posted on 04/19/2011 4:21:57 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IIRC , the legislation that she vetoed was amended to give Obama a pass on the natural born citizen question.


30 posted on 04/19/2011 5:55:03 PM PDT by Palio di Siena
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To: paulycy

Which is why my Lord must do it.

He is the only one who can, and I believe it is reasonable of me to say so.

Those whom enable Evil are also Evil, and Hell is where they deserve to be.

It has run amok, I believe the time has come.


31 posted on 04/19/2011 7:31:09 PM PDT by chris37 (awesome!)
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To: SERKIT; 2ndDivisionVet

Yes override the veto ... one way or another.


32 posted on 04/20/2011 11:51:24 PM PDT by cycjec
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