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Blue state Republicans should NOT be the Presidential nominee
Nolan Chart ^ | May 31, 2011 | Mark Vogl

Posted on 06/01/2011 9:45:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

2012 is an election of direction, will we recommit to our original economic, political and social values, or will we accept Obama's "Hope and Change"?

I would offer as a premise the concept that social values are the core of the American government. One of the most important original motivations bringing pilgrims to America was freedom of Religion. People came to the new world to find a place to practice their faith in God. This motivation was so important that all colonies required potential candidates for public office to be a member of a church! In New England, the first property tax adopted to build a public school cited reading the Bible as the reason for the need for building a school! It was a faith in God which anchored all other decisions in the New World.

In 2012 our nation faces squarely a decision and that decision is slanted towards socialism. Obama care has already passed. Any successful repeal of Obama Care will require not only the election of Republican Presidential candidate committed to its repair, but an overwhelming win at the polls by conservatives. We will need sixty plus Senators committed to repeal. And we will need an overwhelming majority in the House. To get these kind of numbers, we will need an exceptional Republican candidate who is not only committed to repeal of Obama Care, but is in possession of a clear vision of a new America, one based on the original foundations of Christianity, constitutional government, and capitalism. This new president must have a deep faith in God, and a understanding of the relationship between individual liberty, self-responsibility, and a domestic free market. The federal government must lose responsibility for important segments of our lives including education and health care.

Blue state Republicans CANNOT be the national leader we need. To be elected to an important position like governor or US senator, or mayor of New York City, in a blue state, a Republican had to forfeit many, if not all social values. In addition, the successful Republican candidate had to make an accommodation with unions, organized labor, and the media influencers within the blue state. Almost by definition, the successful Republican in a blue state had to be a RINO (republican-in-name-only). Blue state Republicans had to lean towards abortion, towards green environmental activists, pro--homosexual causes. While Blue State Republicans might be slightly more conservative than their Democrat opponents in the Blue state, they are the left wing of the Republican Party, One example would be former New York Governor George Pataki who defeated liberal icon Mario Cuomo! Pataki did it, in part, by promising New York citizens a Death Penalty. Once elected, Pataki, a former New York State Senator, crafted a Death Penalty which passed both Houses, and was signed into law. But it was a Death penalty which could NOT BE implemented. The result of Pataki's Death Penalty...not one murderer was executed! Not one. And then it was repealed. Pataki talked tough. But like Rick Perry, he was a wimp.

A blue state Republican might ...and I say might, have a chance to carry his/her state, but if elected, he could not set a new direction. Instead, he would work to implement a less expensive Obama Care.

While social values must be the foundation of our new direction, money is the avenue to manifest the new direction. For this we need a balanced budget amendment. The Republican House can help move our nation towards the new direction now, by refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless there are real, current cuts, and a defunding of the implementation of Obama Care.

As we go through the primary process, first check where the candidates come from. If they come from the north east, the west coast, or other bastions of blue states, cross them off your potential candidate list. Like Mitt Romney, the author of government health care in Massachusetts (the home state of the Kennedy's) the blue state Republican politicians have already sold out.


TOPICS: Massachusetts; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: massachusetts; obama; obamacare; romney
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To: napscoordinator

Florida is not a blue state. It elects 95% republican.


41 posted on 06/02/2011 5:15:46 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ilgipper

Florida is not a blue state. It elects 95% republican.

Florida gave Obama the Presidency I would say at best it is purple. Plus it has 50 percent Blue Senators.


42 posted on 06/02/2011 5:50:17 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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The real question is can republicans win the presidency with just the conservative voting base? Are there enough of us out here that we can afford to discount he rest of the population?
43 posted on 06/02/2011 5:56:34 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: jersey117

Is that really the question? The answer is clear: no.


44 posted on 06/02/2011 6:11:41 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Ted Grant

That’s a logical question in my mind. Conservatives seem to want a 100% pure candidate. I would love nothing better. But if we don’t have the numbers to pull off the win, what good is having the perfect conservative nominee? Obama is destroying the United States of America. I will vote for just about anyone over him. This election in particular should be primarily about the economy.


45 posted on 06/02/2011 6:20:45 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why the country needs to be divided North-South Red-Blue, again. The regional political divide is now too large for a political solution, even larger than in 1860. Then it was just one or two issues, now the difference are legion.

"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language."

                     President Davis, CSA

46 posted on 06/02/2011 6:22:29 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jersey117

Jersey, your post explains why the article’s premise is sound.


47 posted on 06/02/2011 6:23:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But it doesn’t show depending on how he combs his hair.


48 posted on 06/02/2011 6:36:34 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ansel12

>>>>Your last two posts on this thread are gibberish,I don’t know what you are trying to say.

Because your mind is closed to anything beyond social concerns. Once you hear the magic words to satisfy your needs, your brain turns off. Being socially conservative is not enough. That’s the point you are missing, or dare I say deliberately ignoring.


49 posted on 06/02/2011 6:51:41 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

I notice that you didn’t try to explain his posts, what did post 37 mean for instance.


50 posted on 06/02/2011 8:18:43 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: jersey117
But if we don’t have the numbers to pull off the win, what good is having the perfect conservative nominee?

The perfect conservative nominee will get a lot more votes than a RINO from both conservatives and from "independents." This is just a matter of fact, not conjecture.
51 posted on 06/02/2011 8:29:01 AM PDT by aruanan
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