Posted on 10/22/2011 9:35:25 AM PDT by Brookhaven
If you go to Rick Santorum's official website, you'll find the following blub on the front page:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide." Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time...
If you follow the link, this is what you see:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide."
Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time on the issue of abortion.
Senator Santorum said: "Herman Cain said that he believes life begins at conception, but that it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to terminate that life. And I find it gravely troubling that Herman believes it's a life, but that he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for. As the author of the partial birth abortion ban and other pro-life pieces of legislation, this is the exact mentality myself and other true pro-life advocates fought against. In fact, Herman's pro-choice position is similar to those held by John Kerry, Barack Obama and many others on the liberal left. No, Herman, it is not 'whatever they decide,'this is an innocent human life. It is unconscionable for Herman to run for the nomination of the Party that stands in defense of Life while showing disregard for the sanctity of Life. You cannot be both personally against abortion while condoning it - you can't have it both ways. We must defend the defenseless, period."
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
MORGAN: This is what is comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
MORGAN: You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/19/pmt.01.html
Santorum starts the transcript of the conversation between Morgan and Cain long after the question was asked. The actual transcript should read:
MORGAN: But you've had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You're mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You're mixing --
MORGAN: That's what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.
MORGAN: By expressing the view that you expressed, you are effectively -- you might be president. You can't hide behind now the mask, if you don't mind me saying, of being the pizza guy. You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
Why does Rick Santorum deliberatly leave out the red part of the conversatiom? Because it places the answer in context.
Rick Santorum lies about the question being asked Herman Cain.
I hate to use the word lie, and I'd rather give Rick Santorum (who has been a strong pro-life advocate) the benefit of the doubt, but in this case it's true. Notice in the quote from Santorum's official website, this is what they say was the question being asked:
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
They go out of their way to make is seem as if Herman Cain is talking about his general view on abortion. That isn't true. The question Herman Cain was answering was about rape victims, and should they be forced to raise the child. It was clearly not about Herman Cain's general views on abortion.
The pro-life movement is too important to be playing petty politics with. If Rick Santorum wants to criticise Herman Cain on this, then he should at least post the entire conversation, in context, rather than using selective quotes in an attempt to twist what people are saying.
Rick Santorum self destructs again. He lied and mischaracterized. He will pay the price as he should.
Who cares what Rick Santorum thinks? He’s a mere road bump on the election highway.
Santorum isn’t the only one doing this. A few Perry trolls are doing this on FR as well.
Santorum is the next that needs to go. He is adding little to the debate other than vicious attacks. He did finally go after Mitt this last debate, and I thank him for zeroing in on the real target, but it needs to come from the potential front runners. Perry, Cain, and Bachmann should take the themes of Mitt’s weaknesses from here.
Rick, Rick, Rick...this is what it comes down to? I still think he’s the best on family values, which is a huge factor for me, but if this is all he has left, he really needs to throw in the towel.
He and Bachmann both need to bow out while they still have something of their reputations intact.
He is such a silly doofus. He was dead to me when he backed Arlen Specter against Pat Toomey. Why anyone gives him the time of day since then is beyond me.
There’s a few here at FR distorting Cain’s words, too. G-d knows who is playing fast and loose with Cain’s words. jmo
Santorum is too much weasel with a measure of putz thrown in. He is so NOT presidential. Save the money, narrow the field and drop out. He does not have ‘it’.
Meh. Weasel d*#% has been.
I’m going to go ahead and post this on this thread too (for the record):
Cain clarified on FOX again yesterday:
“Let me just state again, I am pro-life from conception, no exceptions,” Cain responded. “I will not fund any abortions by the government, I will sign any legislation to de-fund and all of the other variations of this whole pro-life issue.”
MacCallum then asked, “The question is, do you want abortion to be legal in this country for families who want to make that decision?”
Cain replied, “No. No, I do not believe abortion should be legal in this country if that’s the question. I’m consistent with that.”
“Look, abortion should not be legal,” Cain said a moment later. “That is clear,” he said, adding that anyone who wanted to get an abortion would be breaking the law by doing so: “But if that family made a decision to break the law, that’s that family’s decision.”
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Cain’s history on pro-life issues:
National Right to Life Conference Speech
http://hermancainissues.com/speeches/right-to-life-conference-speech-62411/
Herman Cain on Abortion
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Herman_Cain_Abortion.htm
African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life (2006)
http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/
Herman Cain Reaffirms Commitment to Pro-Life Principles
http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?LVMF—8Oz3-WCSgU7
Cain Picks Clarence Thomas as Model for Supreme Court Pick
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/232604/20111017/herman-cain-clarence-thomas-supreme-court.htm
2004 - Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade (Free Republic - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1063707/posts
And Alveda King affirmed on Facebook that she knew and worked with Cain on Pro-life issues over the years and testifies that he is Prolife
Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/18/herman-cain-defund-racist-planned-parenthood-abortion-biz/
Herman Cain: Planned Parenthood Should Be Called ‘Planned Genocide’
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/herman-cain-planned-parenthood-should-be-called-planned-genocide.php
Herman Cain was endorsed by the Georgia Right-To-Life PAC in the 2004 US Senate GOP primary. Cain’s primary challenger from 2004, Johnny Isakson, had a pro-choice streak in his voting record and it was the reason why GRTL endorsed him.
Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life
The Founding Fathers got it right. The Founding Fathers got it right because of those fundamental principles: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They also got it in the right order. That wasn’t an accident. Their vision meant that you could pursue happiness in America as long as you don’t infringe upon the liberties of somebody else. And you can pursue all the liberties that you want as long as you don’t infringe upon the life of anybody else. And that starts with the life of the unborn.
Source: , May 1, 2011
Defund Planned Parenthood; intent was to kill black babies
I absolutely would defund Planned Parenthood—not because I don’t believe in planning parenthood, [but because] Planned Parenthood as an organization is an absolute farce on the American people.
People who know the history of Margaret Sanger, who started Planned Parenthood, they know that the intention was not to help young women who get pregnant to plan their parenthood. No—it was a sham to be able to kill black babies.
Source: Interview on the Bryan Fischer radio show , Jan 18, 2011
Life begins at conception, period
I believe that life begins at conception, period. And that means that I will have to see enough evidence that someone I would appoint shares that same view. I believe that the current Supreme Court is leaning too much to the liberal side.
I’m a Christian, I’ve been a Christian all my life. I’ve been a believer in the Bible since I was 10 years old. I’m very active in my church, and there is no way I would compromise my religious beliefs about the sanctity of life. And so it starts with, will they have demonstrated, in some of their other rulings, if they come from the federal judge bench, whether or not they also share that.
Because I believe that the principles that our Founding Fathers cherished, when they founded this country, and wrote the Declaration of Independence which inspired the Constitution, they were based upon biblical principles. I want to get back to those principles as president, if I run and get elected—not rewrite those documents.
ontheissues.org
Family values should also include not bearing false witness.
Santorum is becoming a bore - and his Mike Huckabee style of shameless niche politics is really a huge turn off.
I agree with almost every stand Santorum has. I respect anyone who can raise a family like he does. And yet, because of stuff like this, I can no longer stand the sight of him.
santorum acts like he has a chip on his shoulder.
he’s out of his league.
—ouch, that’s gonna leave a mark —
I’m very disappointed in Santorum. This is exactly the kind of thing he should have avoided.
I almost hope Cain points it out at the next debate.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor, Mr. Santorum.
-God
Santorum should just get out. There’s no way in hell he wins in a general election. I doubt he’d help much on the ticket either, except for dishing out ‘red meat’, and perhaps to help keep the religious folks engaged.
Bearing False Witness, the new ‘little black dress’ of politics.
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