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Why I Am Done Defending Herman Cain
US News and World Report ^ | November 11, 2011 | Mary Kate Cary, former Bush 41 speechwriter

Posted on 11/13/2011 3:07:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

People have been asking me all week if conservatives will stick with Herman Cain, but I think he's got a bigger problem than the conservative vote. A lot more women than conservatives vote, and the women I've talked to are finished with him.

There's a new CBS poll which says that 38 percent of female Republican primary voters are "less likely to back him" now that more accusers have come forward. Among all registered voters, CBS reports that Cain has lost support among women since last month—from 28 percent in October to 15 percent now. My sense is that 15 percent of female registered voters remaining as Cain supporters may be a little high, because the poll was conducted before Cain's attorney started threatening any other potential accusers with the notion that they'd better "think twice" before coming forward.

This whole thing is a shame, because so many of us liked Herman Cain's ideas and business experience. I've been defending him for the last few weeks as he spoke out against the anonymous and vague charges. But they're not anonymous and vague anymore. There are faces, and names, and ugly stories to match. As Kathleen Parker put it, three accusers is a trend. Four is a tipping point.

Women who have worked in politics have seen his type before—casual with staff, jocular, kind of schmoozy. Fun at first, but then it becomes clear that they don't think the rules apply to them. After a while, there's an arrogance that sets in. Washington is full of bosses like that. I've worked for several.

Women don't like to talk about being sexually harassed because it's embarrassing. Life moves on and most of us would rather put bad incidents behind us. So for busy women—at least one of the accusers is a single mom with a teenage son—to come forward years later isn't easy. The fact that they're contemplating doing a joint press conference says to me they realize how high the stakes are, after they saw how Sharon Bialek's personal finances and work history were trashed. Safety in numbers.

These accusers who have come forward are about my age, and they seem very credible to me. They're not selling their stories to tabloids. They're not random women from all over the country, like some of former President Bill Clinton's accusers were. They all worked with Herman Cain specifically when he was at the Restaurant Association. They seem believable to me, and right now, he does not. I'm not defending him anymore.


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Quoting Kathleen Parker tipped me off, if I didn't already suspect her as a Romneybot. Remind me who Miss Parker backed in 2008. I'm betting this woman never "defended" Mr. Cain in the first place. "Guilty until proven innocent" eh, Mary Kate? Yeah, the stakes are high, since Mr. Cain stands in between Gov. Romney and the nomination.
1 posted on 11/13/2011 3:07:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: FReepers; everyone; All



FReepathon Day 44!



2 posted on 11/13/2011 3:09:25 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Women can be stupid, but this one is sticking with Cain.


3 posted on 11/13/2011 3:10:50 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This cracker is clingin to Cain.


4 posted on 11/13/2011 3:11:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Three clues:

her publication

female with three names

the qualifer (her former “yob”)

LOLOLOL.


5 posted on 11/13/2011 3:12:01 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So Axelrod only had to come up with 4 women with dubious claims and that’s the magic number to get rid of the competition? He must be laughing at how easy this is.


6 posted on 11/13/2011 3:12:35 PM PST by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That what made this smear so effective.

I think just about every woman has been sexually harassed or assaulted at some point in her life. Maybe not at work but in school, in public where ever.

I think there is a natural assumption in women to believe the accusers in these cases since it matches with her personal experiences.

Yes, I think this trend is troublesome but not fatal. As this story goes on and the facts comes out, I suspect a lot of that suspicion of Cain in women’s minds is going to be assuaged.

As for Parker, why anyone bothers paying any attention to her is a mystery. She is as genuine a Conservative as a $3 bill is real money


7 posted on 11/13/2011 3:12:35 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Done defending him, lady? Did you ever support him in the first place? I sincerely doubt it.

And if you had, there’s no way that US News would have asked you to write this article in the first place.


8 posted on 11/13/2011 3:12:39 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Aria

Yeah turns out the “4” turn out to the same two.


9 posted on 11/13/2011 3:13:22 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kathy’s got her bloomers in a bunch.


10 posted on 11/13/2011 3:13:34 PM PST by DManA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, still wavering about these accusations! BUT, if I look at who and what the accusers are, it is very easy to have doubts. Seems they are Chicagans and/or with ties to the Democrats. A coincidence - not likely?

Seems too suspicious to me but of course, the sheeple that watch the standard MSM stations will never know the difference.

Politics is ugly and seems to be getting just a bit more ugly.


11 posted on 11/13/2011 3:13:53 PM PST by Deagle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When will the Bush dynasty staffers get the hell out of the way?
12 posted on 11/13/2011 3:14:23 PM PST by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wouldn’t put too much into this. Well know what we stand to lose if Romney gets the nomination. Nothing. I like Newt, one of my personal choices, but I’m concerned. His working knowledge of our political landscape is second to none, but his biggest drawback is that he lacks mass appeal. Obama is a perfect example of how appeal can trump substance; radical as hell, zero experience, but he connected with voters. Newt could win the nomination - I’d support him 100% - but I have doubts he will strike a chord with voters outside of the GOP base. Fair or not, the MSM will stereotype him as the old, boring, elitist Republican & it’s only a matter of time before they air his dirty laundry. Reagan was equally intelligent, but his passion & charisma - his innate ability to relate to the common man - is why he captured independents and “Reagan Democrats.” People want to be inspired, not talked down to. If it wasn’t for the media’s attacks on Cain, who led nationally (still does) & Iowa by double digits, would Newt even be in contention as the choice of his own party? Cain has the greatest appeal of any GOP candidate to reach across party lines and the left knows this. They will do all they can to destroy him. The only question is...why do we conservatives help them fulfill their agenda? Only we can elect our nominee!


13 posted on 11/13/2011 3:14:56 PM PST by xuberalles ("The Right Stuff" Conservative Novelties http://www.zazzle.com/xuberalles)
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To: onyx
Boy did you nail this one quick.

Wait, I didn't mean "nail" nail, just well, you know,...aw crap,...women....

14 posted on 11/13/2011 3:15:10 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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Yap, yap, yap, yap, yap.....


15 posted on 11/13/2011 3:15:10 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Get over your bitterness about being cruelly jacked around by Palin.

Try to see the choices you have, without Mama Fizzly.

Good. Now pick one.

That's what you need to do.

16 posted on 11/13/2011 3:15:26 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: greatvikingone

I guess they gave Clinton a pass. Sounds racist


17 posted on 11/13/2011 3:19:06 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A lot more women than conservatives vote, and the women I've talked to are finished with him.

We obviously don't run in the same circles since 100% of the women and men I've discussed this with are very upset with the MSM and the broads..........and a number of those women are democraps.

FWIW, their major complaint is men now being afraid to offer them compliments on their looks and dress for fear of being accused of harrassment......and rightfully so.

18 posted on 11/13/2011 3:19:29 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This woman is a former Bush41 speechwriter. Nuff said.
19 posted on 11/13/2011 3:19:34 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Aria
So Axelrod only had to come up with 4 women with dubious claims and that’s the magic number to get rid of the competition?

He's already halfway there.

20 posted on 11/13/2011 3:20:21 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He goes up against Obummer and Cain gets my vote!


21 posted on 11/13/2011 3:20:21 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So all the Left has to do is make enough unsubstantiated allegations against a conservative candidate, and that candidate is no longer acceptable?

And nobody sees a problem with this?

22 posted on 11/13/2011 3:22:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: greatvikingone

None of my friends are “done” with Cain - quite the contrary. Everyone I talk to is as supportive as ever and are angry at these false allegations!


23 posted on 11/13/2011 3:22:34 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why I am done with US News and World Report.


24 posted on 11/13/2011 3:23:49 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Mary Kate Cary
Mary Kate Cary is a former White House speechwriter for President George H.W. Bush. She currently writes speeches for political and business leaders.” A RINO BUSHBOT(ROMMENYBOT) TURD!


25 posted on 11/13/2011 3:23:57 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"They're not selling their stories to tabloids."

No, they've sold their stories to the MSM... tabloids have a better track record of reliability than the MSM, and they actually get to the truth, especially when the MSM refuses to report on a matter reflecting badly on demoncrats, ie, Edwards. You want the truth? It will never appear as you hope to hear it... as a general rule, when the MSM puts stuff out there to slime a conservative, you can bet it will be presented in the worst possible light, however true or false it may be... Question, why the hell should anyone swallow, hook line and sinker, what the MSM puts out there? Its called baiting... to see if they can actually catch you making a misstep trying to respond to their "BLOCKBUSTER NEWS"... probably the worst thing Cain ever did was try to respond before catching his wits about him, you know, "good guys always finish last", that sort of thing...

26 posted on 11/13/2011 3:23:59 PM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: xuberalles

27 posted on 11/13/2011 3:24:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Navy Patriot

(((Navy Patriot)))

It takes a conservative woman, me, to spot a fraud like that one...LOL.

I didn’t read past her name, qualifier and the publication. HAR!


28 posted on 11/13/2011 3:25:02 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ha!

US&WR calls on the Bush camp to attack Herman Cain!

Did she call out Perry as well and say Romney is the only Republican that can defeat Bari?

29 posted on 11/13/2011 3:26:03 PM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: Beowulf9

ANYBODY goes up against zero gets my vote. Including Ron Paul.

What a crazy, whacked out country we’d be under Paul, when I think about it. People growing weed in their mailbox planters.

Under Romney, we’d be under constant attack threat with his jello spine. Same for Newt.

Under Perry, who makes no bones about who his enemies are, we’ll see the Fedocracy smacked back down to what the Constitution provided for them: zero.


30 posted on 11/13/2011 3:26:31 PM PST by txhurl
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To: MNJohnnie

“I think just about every woman has been sexually harassed or assaulted at some point in her life. “

Absolutely true, and sadly makes smear campaigns more effective.

I don’t know whether Cain is guilty or not.


31 posted on 11/13/2011 3:28:39 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, all we need are four women to come out and claim that Mitt Romney harassed them. The truth of the accusation is apparently not relevant.


32 posted on 11/13/2011 3:30:23 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Persevero

I do. I know people close to Cain. This accusation is pure garbage. Wait and see.


33 posted on 11/13/2011 3:31:15 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is not logical that Mr. Cain harrased women during his tenure at the National Restaurant Association yet not before or after. It is much more logical that Mr. Cain is telling the truth and the charges are fabricated because Team Obama sees potential trouble and are using their usual Chicago style methods to deal with it.


34 posted on 11/13/2011 3:34:18 PM PST by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The bitch was a Bushbot speechwriter??? Dumber than a sack of hammers, by definition. And bitter? Bigtime. These trolls hate conservatives more than they hate the poofter chimpanzee from Nairobi.


35 posted on 11/13/2011 3:35:29 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is nothing more than a political assasination by the left. It was orchestrated and the follow thru was executed. As a female who has been sexually harassed in my 35 year career, I say....GO CAIN. There I said it. They will not stop with Cain, and I will not let them pick the candidate for us. This BS must stop or we are going DOWN!!!


36 posted on 11/13/2011 3:35:56 PM PST by marygam ((Hurry November 2012, we might not make it))
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To: Aria
So Axelrod only had to come up with 4 women with dubious claims and that’s the magic number to get rid of the competition? He must be laughing at how easy this is.

Its not like Axelrod had to invent them from thin air. Real women, some kind of real accusations that were documented in the past (Other than the last piece of a$$). I like Herman, a lot. I liked him 12 years ago when I first heard of him. Now, maybe the charges are all cr*p, but the fact is, there is _something_ that happened to some of these women, easy pickings for Axe. Axe is a piece of cr*p, for sure, but lets not pretend this stuff was made up on a whim.

37 posted on 11/13/2011 3:36:22 PM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: MNJohnnie

The fact that just about every woman has been sexually harassed or assaulted was the reason WHY I didn’t believe these smears.

Let’s take the Bielick woman. How old is she? In her late forties? I’m assuming she’s a “liberated woman” and has had a normal sex life. I’m assuming she isn’t a sheltered nun that hasn’t been exposed to the world.

And she wants to come out all of these years after an incident in a car to complain?

It rings so false it’s laughable!

Because IF what she says happened in that car is true, it isn’t that earth shattering anymore! She should have processed it and moved on in life.

But, no... she trots it out and tries to damage his campaign. It’s beyond ridiculous!

A true sexual harassment memory with Cain would have been something that a mature, rational woman, after a span of years like Bielick, would have resulted in private conversations with family and friends.

NOT running to Gloria Alred. The woman’s a LOON.


38 posted on 11/13/2011 3:38:06 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cain is innocent and I have never doubted it.
I have shown my support by making additional campaign donations and sent a letter of support to the Cain campaign.

We are seeing more of the battle of good vs. evil and evil does not play by any rules. Evil only seeks to destroy the good.

God Bless and Protect Herman Cain


39 posted on 11/13/2011 3:39:08 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (Herman Cain, never a lawyer, not a career politician (Ask me about the Cain Ping Lists)
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To: Persevero

Investigator: Herman Cain innocent of sexual advances
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/16002149/investigator-herman-cain-innocent-of-sexual-advances

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Joseph Fassler
National Restaurant Association chairman during Cain’s tenure: ‘It’s a hatchet job’http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/national-restaurant-association-chairman-during-cain%e2%80%99s-tenure-its-a-hatchet-job/#ixzz1cgsqrOLy

Sibby Wolfson
Cain’s Former Secretary: This Is Not the Herman Cain I Know
http://www.cainblog.com/2011/cains-former-secretary-this-is-not-the-herman-cain-i-know/

Karol Markowicz (2004 Campaign Staffer)
Why this guy’s no sexual harasser
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/why_this_guy_no_sexual_harasser_0ByzbPJgotwpzSAPZVu2bO

If you know Herman Cain – and I do – you believe him
http://www.northstarwriters.com/2011/11/10/if-you-know-herman-cain-%E2%80%93-and-i-do-%E2%80%93-you-believe-him/


40 posted on 11/13/2011 3:39:11 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think as it becomes more apparent that these were false claims, without any provable basis in fact, by some women who “have a history”, many conservative women will come back.

Someone needs to say, when sexual harassment claims turn in to a tool for revenge, or political weapons, this marginalized the plight of women who are truly being harassed. Those who have been victimized in the past should be the first to see the importance of not demeaning the issue for political reasons.


41 posted on 11/13/2011 3:39:15 PM PST by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This woman is still supporting Cain!


42 posted on 11/13/2011 3:40:10 PM PST by AWatchfulEye
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pish tosh!

Here is a recent picture of me and Mr. Cain. I did not at all feel intimidated.


43 posted on 11/13/2011 3:41:22 PM PST by Jemian (Join the Cain Train!)
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To: humblegunner; 2ndDivisionVet
Get over your bitterness...

How ironic you who never has anything positive to ad to the discussion would be giving such advice.

44 posted on 11/13/2011 3:42:17 PM PST by McGruff (Hold the House, retake the Senate.)
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To: Deagle

The National Restaurant Association is in CHICAGO AND has been there since about 1930.


45 posted on 11/13/2011 3:42:39 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Jemian

Congrats! Great picture!


46 posted on 11/13/2011 3:42:47 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

US gnues and retards?

Fegeddabawdet!

Like anyone actually reads them anymore.


47 posted on 11/13/2011 3:44:06 PM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: McGruff
How ironic you who never has anything positive to ad to the discussion

I'm positive both that I can spell "add" and that you should go take a bite out of crime.

Have a fine day and don't bite anything that has mold on it.

48 posted on 11/13/2011 3:46:59 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Sacajaweau

That does not justify anything yet...

Why are all the complainants from Chicago? Why do at least two of them know those associated with Obama? Others seems to be reticent to come forward... Why?


49 posted on 11/13/2011 3:47:30 PM PST by Deagle
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To: Aria
There weren't even four woman with dubious claims. There where two with claims and two with outright rumor. One said I thought about filing a grievance but didn't and one claims an outlandish story about a midnight ride in DC.

If this is as easy as it gets to get rid of a Conservative, we have real trouble.

50 posted on 11/13/2011 3:47:52 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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