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Why the Republicans need to pick Gingrich, despite his past failings
Canada Free Press ^ | December 27, 2011 | Daniel Wiseman

Posted on 12/27/2011 3:36:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The Iowa caucuses are upon us, and with it the official start of the 2012 presidential election campaign. Therefore, it’s time to evaluate the Republican field. When you get to it, this race is really about one person: Newt Gingrich.

This really is Newt, Part 2. For all of us who remember 1994, and the Republican Revolution, which is already 18 long years ago, we conservatives are playing jilted wife to that political lothario, Newt Gingrich. Should we take him back and give him another chance? Or is it a case of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me? A brief disclosure, I was still a conservative Democrat in 1994 and not fully vested in the conservative cause and its home in the Republican Party.

Almost miraculously, Newt has resurrected his political career, since being faced down by Bill Clinton over shutting down the federal government in 1995, and by ethics investigations and censures from which in the long run Newt was mostly absolved. Since those times, Newt has also divorced and remarried. He also has been a highly-paid lobbyist for Washington bad guys, the now government agencies of Fannie and Freddie. He is and has been a bomb-thrower with the English language, controversial, and self-referential, to a fault. Nevertheless, for true-believers like me, we are enthralled with his star.

For example, Gingrich said what everybody who knows any history knows to be true: that the Palestinians are a made up people. Equally outrageous to some is Newt’s comment that the judiciary should be ignored when they render unconstitutional judgments. He is flat out correct about that....

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TOPICS: Iowa; Campaign News; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: gingrich; obama; romney; ronpaul
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1 posted on 12/27/2011 3:36:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fool me twice, shame on me.


2 posted on 12/27/2011 3:39:00 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s Newt’s turn. That’s how the GOP selects their cnadidates, which ever lackluster moderate that’s next in line.


3 posted on 12/27/2011 3:43:15 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If it's not Romney or that Utah guy, what's his name, we will be okay against 0bama.

Otherwise, we will see a second term for sure.

4 posted on 12/27/2011 3:45:18 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: freedomfiter2
It’s Newt’s turn. That’s how the GOP selects their cnadidates, which ever lackluster moderate that’s next in line.

Then we need to pound the fact that Santorum or Bachmann need to take the primary or the GOP is done for.

Conservatives have had it with center of the road defiance while getting along against a hard drive to the left political shift by the democrats!

5 posted on 12/27/2011 3:52:23 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If I understand the comments from the many, many, many posts here on this forum so far this election cycle -

Romney is a absolutely, positively - NO GO!

Gingrich is an insider, and has too much baggage. - NO GO!

Perry is an empty suit, chokes in the debates, and is pro amnesty. - NO GO!

Michelle Bachman is too shrill and easily rattled. Women won't vote for her. - NO GO!

Ron Paul is a looney, and possibly racist, not even taking into account his hate for Israel.NO GO!Santorum, Huntsman, etc... All too unknown and too poor to get any traction. All of them - NO GO!

So the clear winner of the 2012 Presidential elections, according to all the experts here on FreeRepublic is . . . . .

Barack Hussein Obama!

(Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm!)

6 posted on 12/27/2011 3:54:06 PM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: freedomfiter2

You think Newt is a insider Republican? Part of the establishment? Could have fooled me!


7 posted on 12/27/2011 3:54:17 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'd rather take sex advice from a maiden aunt and an 80 year old priest.

They, at least, probably have a minor clue.

Texan going to listen to a Canadian about who to vote for? I'm not polite to other Texans on the subject.

KMA. (Canada, not you)

/johnny

8 posted on 12/27/2011 3:56:04 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cokie Roberts called Newt a “bomb-thrower” on This Weak on Sunday...

I’m all for it.
Beats a mayonnaise sandwich on white bread.(Mitt)


9 posted on 12/27/2011 4:20:57 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Newt is far from perfect...

... but as it turns out, there is no Ronaldus Magnus running in 2012, so perfect isn’t the issue this time around.

We will vote based on imperfect and decide whose baggage is small enough, whose values match ours enough, who is closest to meeting up to the job enough, despite their serious flaws.

Newt has a problem. He can explode.

Newtonium is this way - volatile. It must be held in check by outside control - the House, the Senate, some counsel of reasonable advisers in the inner circle.

Newtonium also has advantages to consider...

It can cause large change, create ideas outside the box, build strategies, etc.

If Newt can trump RINOmney, I’m for him. Willard has no force of change. He is an administrator, manager, status quo wimp.

It will not be pretty, if he wins, but Newt, under control by outside forces may bring dramatic changes.

Anything else will not fix the severe problems in the country.

I would prefer Perry to Newt, but he ain’t risin’ yet and may not.


10 posted on 12/27/2011 4:23:06 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: airborne

If it is “none of the above,” you can be sure here will be sparks flying at the Republican National Convention. There will be a candidate emerge who is someone we did not expect.

Psssss! S.P. + M.B. (Clean up D.C. America!)


11 posted on 12/27/2011 4:23:34 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: airborne

If it is “none of the above,” you can be sure there (I hate it when keys don’t work) will be sparks flying at the Republican National Convention. There will be a candidate emerge who is someone we did not expect.

Psssss! S.P. + M.B. (Clean up D.C. America!)


12 posted on 12/27/2011 4:24:41 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
ABR.


13 posted on 12/27/2011 4:25:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: freedomfiter2
It’s Newt’s turn. That’s how the GOP selects their cnadidates, which ever lackluster moderate that’s next in line.

I've read some ignorant posts, and yours is one for the ages.

It's "Romney's turn."

Romney ran in '08, NOT Gingrich, who's also NOT a moderate.

14 posted on 12/27/2011 4:29:10 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Texan going to listen to a Canadian about who to vote for? I'm not polite to other Texans on the subject.

A lot of American writers post articles in Canada Free Press. Lots.

15 posted on 12/27/2011 5:13:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Newtonium is this way - volatile. It must be held in check by outside control - the House, the Senate, some counsel of reasonable advisers in the inner circle.

Newtonium also has advantages to consider...

It can cause large change, create ideas outside the box, build strategies, etc.

Yours is one of the better (and more creative) rationales I've seen for giving our votes to Newt. Very well done.

Newtonium....I like it!

16 posted on 12/27/2011 5:16:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
we may have the Newtron Bomb !
Long may we use it wisely!
:)
17 posted on 12/27/2011 5:23:51 PM PST by Reily
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To: Reily
we may have the Newtron Bomb ! Long may we use it wisely! :)

If Sarah doesn't step in, I'm going to vote nuclear.

18 posted on 12/27/2011 5:26:54 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tallyhoe

I can’t say that Newt is part of the establishment. I think he is the Newt wing of the GOP. I didn’t mean that the establishment calls all the shots, just that the conservative wing can’t decide what it wants which leads to less than stellar results.


19 posted on 12/27/2011 5:44:16 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: onyx

Newt toyed with the idea last time hoping for enough attention to get in. Newt’s probably not moderate given the full political spectrum, but he’s a moderate Republican.


20 posted on 12/27/2011 5:48:27 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Windflier
I don't see her stepping in.

Sir Isaac of the original Newtonian revolution was as big a putz in his own way as sometimes our present day Newton is.
Sometimes you need a putz!

21 posted on 12/27/2011 5:49:23 PM PST by Reily
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To: Windflier
Then they can tread sand.

Lots.

How's them apples?

/johnny

22 posted on 12/27/2011 5:58:32 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Reily
I don't see her stepping in.

Few people do, but you just never know in times such as these. There's a huge push on to get her to reconsider her decision, given the state of our field, and what's at stake in 2012.

Eisenhower refused all appeals for him to run for president, until he finally gave in at the 52(?) convention. I'm not saying the same thing will happen with Palin, but it could. It's still too early for me to cross off any possibility.

23 posted on 12/27/2011 5:58:59 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: freedomfiter2
but he’s a moderate Republican.

So.. he's somewhat leftist.

Thanks. No.

/johnny

24 posted on 12/27/2011 6:00:43 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Texan going to listen to a Canadian about who to vote for? I'm not polite to other Texans on the subject.

The author's American -- a fact easily found out if you can just bother to click on the link and look.

25 posted on 12/27/2011 6:04:20 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Then they can tread sand. Lots. How's them apples?

I don't know what your beef with the writer is. Canada Free Press is simply a website that posts conservative commentary and news.

Who cares if their physical address is across the northern border? So is Free Dominion's, FR's sister site.

26 posted on 12/27/2011 6:06:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BfloGuy
S'ok. I have no respect for Americans writing for Canadian rags either. I'm equal opportunity.

/johnny

27 posted on 12/27/2011 6:07:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Windflier
S'ok. I'm equal opportunity. I think the writers at the StartleGram (Star Telegram, Ft. Worth, Texas), are sissies that need to grow up and smell the coffee.

I don't much care for what a reporter from Ft. Worth thinks either.

/johnny

28 posted on 12/27/2011 6:11:21 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
S'ok. I have no respect for Americans writing for Canadian rags either. I'm equal opportunity.

Now that's the sort of f***ed up attitude that gives us Texans a bad name. Next time I see some Freeper turning their nose up at Texas, I'll think of you.

29 posted on 12/27/2011 6:33:43 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Tell me why I should care about a Texan that writes in a Canadian newspaper to try to influence the presidential election?

I should care? Why? If you want to influence Texans, hold coffees here, with meet'n greets. Or write for the local liberal rag.

And I double dog dare you to tell me that the Startlegram and the Morning Snooze aren't liberal bastions. I know too many of those folks.

/johnny

30 posted on 12/27/2011 6:39:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Okay, so he’s not going to hire me for public relations but at least he’s usually to the right of McCain.


31 posted on 12/27/2011 6:43:44 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Tell me why I should care about a Texan that writes in a Canadian newspaper to try to influence the presidential election?

Canada Free Press isn't a newspaper. It's a news and opinion website.

Lots of conservative writers can't get published by newspapers, or even get their work posted by the more popular conservative news sites. If they want their work to get exposure, they have to go where they can get published.

That might just wind up being a friendly conservative news site that's just across our northern border.

32 posted on 12/27/2011 6:48:17 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
My northern border is the Red River.

And it's obvious the writer was (may still be) a lib.

I don't buy it. Sorry if it offends you, but I've had so many people pee on my boots and tell me it was raining that my trust is gone.

It's going to take something better than someone who was against Newt the first time, on a Canadian web-site, supported by a 'Texan' that wasn't born here to convince me.

Don't hate me. I was born this way.

Problem you have, is, so were millions more.

Sleep well.

/johnny

33 posted on 12/27/2011 6:56:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: freedomfiter2
at least he’s usually to the right of McCain.

You aren't helping much.

That is for true.

/johnny

34 posted on 12/27/2011 7:00:56 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I don’t know what your problem is fella, but curling your lip and spitting at your fellow conservatives isn’t hip or cool. It ain’t Texan, and it sure as hell isn’t American, no matter how smug it makes you feel.

I’ve got nothing vested in the guy who wrote the article. I’ve merely been attempting to explain why the guy’s work is on a website out of Canada. From what I’ve seen of your posts on this thread, you dismissed the guy out of hand without even reading the article, simply because he was posting on a Canadian website.

Sounds to me like some writer pissed in your Cheerios a long time ago, and you’ve never gotten over it. Guess what? Nobody gives a rat’s patootie about your personal grudges and gripes.

Want to talk about the meat of the article? Someone here might actually be interested in that.


35 posted on 12/27/2011 7:12:38 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EGPWS

When was the last time we elected a back-bencher from the House or a rejected senator to the White House?


36 posted on 12/27/2011 7:13:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Windflier
The 'meat' of the article is that we should vote for Newt.

I'm not comfy with that.

And I really don't care if I'm hip or cool. But I am old and grumpy enough to say "Cow:Cabbage".

But I do take umbrage with supposed Americans and Texans telling folks like me how I'm supposed to vote. Especially when it comes from Canada.

And it's ok if you don't understand.

You will. In November.

The GOP hasn't been so obnoxious about driving off potential voters as long as I can remember.

/johnny

37 posted on 12/27/2011 7:20:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When was the last time we elected a back-bencher from the House or a rejected senator to the White House?

Andy Jackson?

/johnny

38 posted on 12/27/2011 7:27:45 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The 'meat' of the article is that we should vote for Newt. I'm not comfy with that.

Fair enough. That's your opinion, and I'll respect it. I haven't been all that comfy with Newt, either. I'm sure that you recall that not all that long ago, this website was jam packed with posts condemning Newt for his many transgressions against conservative ideals.

When folks here first started talking him up, my first reaction was, "you have GOT to be kidding me. Newt?"

I haven't forgotten all the times he pissed me off, and still have a somewhat sour taste in my mouth about him. But -- weighing our options at this time, I can't escape the reasoning and logic that's compelling so many conservatives to get behind him.

I wish like hell we had a better choice who also had a snowball's chance of winning the nomination, but I just don't see that we do. If I've got to choose between Newt and Mitt, it's Newt all day long, and twice on Sunday.

39 posted on 12/27/2011 7:28:20 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
but I just don't see that we do.

That's been pretty obvious.

Either the GOP nominates a conservative. A REAL conservative, or they go home.

We don't have to win every game. I'm not sanguine about it, because I know that there will be pain... but until the GOP gets a clue... or we replace them... there is no good option.

And sometimes, in life, there IS no good option. You just have to live through it.

But I will be damned if some Canadian blogsite is going to change my opinion. Shake my hand, we might talk. Broadcast from a foreign country? Fergetit.

/johnny

40 posted on 12/27/2011 7:36:12 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Either the GOP nominates a conservative. A REAL conservative, or they go home.

Hey, I'm one of those who still holds out hope for a real conservative who can rally the base to jump into the race. Might be a fruitless hope, but it could still happen.

That's actually my first choice. Newt is my back up option. We're in one helluva situation, and as you say, sometimes in life there are no good options. You just have to confront the fact that you're gonna hurt for a while.

Taking the long view, there's always the option of 'watering the Tree of Liberty'. It may come to that, whether we want it to or not. The odds of us going down that path increase exponentially if Mitt or Obama wins next November. If it comes to that, I believe that the pain will be intense, but short-lived. The poisonous barb will be removed all at once, and our nation will be set on the road to full restoration of our constitutional republic.

I will be damned if some Canadian blogsite is going to change my opinion. Shake my hand, we might talk. Broadcast from a foreign country? Fergetit.

Alright, bud. I guess we'll have to talk down the line about where and how conservative authors post their works these days. I think we're mostly on the same page as far as this election goes, and where the country stands. I think we're at least reading from the same chapter ;-)

41 posted on 12/27/2011 8:05:54 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Andrew Jackson was a national hero, the last revolutionary war veteran to serve as president as well as a successful territorial governor, general, house member, planter, senator, and district attorney. No one in the current line-up even comes close.


42 posted on 12/27/2011 8:19:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He was 13 during the war.

He resigned from the Senate before a year was out.

And was a hick lawyer. Where in the Carolinas are you going to get a legal education?

My favorite quote from him is: "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word."

Sounds like he's head and shoulders above the current crop. He was electable, and he got his picture on the $20.

/johnny

43 posted on 12/27/2011 8:30:37 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For all of us who remember 1994, and the Republican Revolution, which is already 18 long years ago, we conservatives are playing jilted wife to that political lothario, Newt Gingrich.

Also fresh on my mind is the candidacy of Bob Dole in 1996, and Newt stepping down in 1998 while his Party was still in power. Reminisce the glory years of the Clinton Administration? No thanks.

44 posted on 12/27/2011 8:53:13 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

Who else do we have? A kooky anti-semite racist? Two back-benchers who have no chance against Mr. Obama? A Texas governor who makes Dubya look like Orson Wells? The author of RomneyCare, RomneyMarriage and assorted other leftist dreck? Please tell me.


45 posted on 12/27/2011 8:57:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What say you?

I'd rather have a conservative nominee. Sadly, it looks like no such luck.

46 posted on 12/27/2011 9:01:59 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Two back-benchers who have no chance against Mr. Obama?

Gingrich is the one who has no chance against Obama. But a conservative candidate will beat him.

47 posted on 12/27/2011 9:23:26 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

There is no way in the world that Rep. Bachmann or Senator Santorum, neither of which has a day of executive experience, will beat a sitting president.


48 posted on 12/27/2011 9:25:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I vehemently disagree.


49 posted on 12/27/2011 9:27:20 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

Moot point, really. It seems neither one is headed for the republican nomination.


50 posted on 12/27/2011 9:35:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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