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Five Consequences of Gingrich’s South Carolina Win
New York Magazine's Daily Intel ^ | January 23, 2012 | John Heilemann

Posted on 01/23/2012 7:49:20 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 01/23/2012 7:49:31 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mixed on agree / disagree. I do find that the GOP is in deep trouble. That holds true, meaning the down ballot GOP candidates are in trouble too, regardless of whether it is Mitt or Newt at the top of the ticket.

I'd wager a Mitt top of the ticket would be at least as harmful, down ballot - and my gut tells me it would be more harmful to the party as it is currently constituted.

For me, that's a win-win outcome. The GOP as currently constituted is damaging to the country.

2 posted on 01/23/2012 7:55:39 AM PST by Cboldt
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On the one hand, Gingrich's national favorable-unfavorable ratings of 26.5 and 58.6 percent, respectively make him not just unelectable against Obama but also mean that he would likely be a ten-ton millstone around the necks of down-ballot Republican candidates across the country. And on the other, Romney will have shown in two successive contests—one in a bellwether Republican state, the other in a key swing state—an inability to beat his deeply unpopular rival.

Hogwash. If Newt keeps going after the media, and right to the American people, these #'s will reverse toot sweet.

3 posted on 01/23/2012 7:56:21 AM PST by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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On the one hand, Gingrich's national favorable-unfavorable ratings of 26.5 and 58.6 percent

My first though was, How old are these numbers and from whom did they come?
I've cast around a little but don't come across a source.

These sorts of numbers are "perishable" and could turn on a dime in his favor.

4 posted on 01/23/2012 7:57:28 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All one needs to do is look back at the 2010 midterms and remember that the silent majority is still pissed.


5 posted on 01/23/2012 8:05:14 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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Correct. If Newt continues to attack the enemedia, rather than seek to make nice with them, he's in easily.

My take.

6 posted on 01/23/2012 8:05:40 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: grobdriver

The idea that Newt would harm down-ballot Republicans is NOT BASED on what our Congressional Candidates need to be running on. EVERY DEMOCRAT WHO VOTED FOR OBAMACARE NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED IN THEIR RACE and THROWN OUT! If our candidates are smart, stand up to the FACTS that UNDER this administration, under NANCY PELOSI and HARRY REID, we have TAKEN a BEATING - we need People who are running on CUTTING GOV’T SPENDING - THAT WILL BE A WINNER in MOST STATES!


7 posted on 01/23/2012 8:08:54 AM PST by princess leah
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When it comes to wallowing around in the mud, Gingrich is King Hog, while Romney isn’t even a pig farmer in waders

LOL! Almost Steynesque!

8 posted on 01/23/2012 8:11:04 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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“On the one hand, Gingrich’s national favorable-unfavorable ratings of 26.5 and 58.6 percent, respectively make him not just unelectable against Obama...”

Nonsense. A full 48% (or more) of registered voters will never vote for Obama. A wet dish towel can beat Obama. It’s more a matter of who will make the better POTUS: Obama-lite Mitt, or Newt.


9 posted on 01/23/2012 8:13:17 AM PST by kidd
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To: grobdriver; onyx
Precisely.....One word “NO” brought the house down in response to King. The rest was just piled on.

Newt continues his “attitude” which mirrors that of American people's heart and the silent majority will find it's voice.

Willard has forecast his attack on Newt tonight....Lobbyist working for F/F.....Expect Newt to hand him his head on a plate.

10 posted on 01/23/2012 8:13:57 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: grobdriver
On the one hand, Gingrich's national favorable-unfavorable ratings of 26.5 and 58.6 percent

My first though was, How old are these numbers and from whom did they come? I've cast around a little but don't come across a source.

These sorts of numbers are "perishable" and could turn on a dime in his favor.

I agree that this can be turned around. Six months ago I had a unfavorable opinion of Gingrich but he has won me over in the past two months. Plus, I discovered that some of things that I thought I knew about him were simply untrue. Ironically, quite a bit of these falsehoods were constantly spread by folks here on FR.

I think if anyone can turn their negatives around with swing voters it is Gingrich. People also forget that the TOTUS is very unpopular.

11 posted on 01/23/2012 8:14:47 AM PST by Mr Fuji
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“Plus, I discovered that some of things that I thought I knew about him were simply untrue. Ironically, quite a bit of these falsehoods were constantly spread by folks here on FR. “

Yeah I thought they said Marianne was on her death bed. What was she doing on ABC if she died a long time ago?


12 posted on 01/23/2012 8:24:31 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
On the one hand, Gingrich's national favorable-unfavorable ratings of 26.5 and 58.6 percent, respectively make him not just unelectable against Obama but also mean that he would likely be a ten-ton millstone around the necks of down-ballot Republican candidates across the country.

Bull hockey.

Obama is the millstone, and he's not around the GOP's neck.

13 posted on 01/23/2012 8:26:02 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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“I do find that the GOP is in deep trouble... regardless of whether it is Mitt or Newt at the top of the ticket.”

a trip down memory lane:
In 1974, the Republican party hit the lowest point imaginable. The President was forced to resign, pardoned for all crimes by his unelected replacement. Two years later Jimmy Carter was elected. This should have been a golden age for democrats but instead Carter got his ass beat by an “unelectable” Ronald Reagan just 4 short years later. Obama has reached Carter levels of disapproval. this election is about one thing, “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”


14 posted on 01/23/2012 8:26:53 AM PST by running_dog_lackey
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two simple reasons for Newt’s SC victory:

#1 The people loathe Obama and how he has wrecked our country
#2 The people loathe the main stream media for protecting Obama and the Leftists.

And Newt articulates this loathing better than anyone

Nothing more; nothing less than this


15 posted on 01/23/2012 8:27:28 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: kidd

Nonsense. A full 48% (or more) of registered voters will never vote for Obama. A wet dish towel can beat Obama. It’s more a matter of who will make the better POTUS: Obama-lite Mitt, or Newt.

I have said this for months the GOP is picking the President not the nominee. Obama has no chance to win this cycle.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 8:29:54 AM PST by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Correct. If Newt continues to attack the enemedia, rather than seek to make nice with them, he’s in easily.”

Newt should add: the same media that wants SOPA/PIPA and shut down the internet.


17 posted on 01/23/2012 8:30:20 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: ari-freedom

Marianne’s FBI has just surfaced recently too. In it she is said to be “mentally unstable”. Also esposes her shaking down to sell influence through her husband. Is this really why Newt stepped down?


18 posted on 01/23/2012 8:32:32 AM PST by hoosiermama
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-- ... but instead Carter got his ass beat by an "unelectable" Ronald Reagan just 4 short years later. --

My point follows the premise that Romney is no Reagan.

19 posted on 01/23/2012 8:40:39 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
make him not just unelectable against Obama but also mean that he would likely be a ten-ton millstone around the necks of down-ballot Republican candidates across the country

Gingrich has a proven track record on how to nationalize congressional elections like no other. I don't see why he could not use his skills to both help him get elected and create coat tails.

20 posted on 01/23/2012 8:40:48 AM PST by Raycpa
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