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The Conversation With a Florida Tea Partier That Should Scare Every Republican
Ricochet ^ | January 30, 2012 | Ben Domenech

Posted on 01/31/2012 6:51:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Last week, Mollie raised an interesting point about what a Mitt Romney nomination means for the Republican Party. In the comments, I shared my concern concerning the lean-Republican independents who make up much of the Tea Party, and who prior to 2009 were mostly inactive in politics beyond regularly voting.

The Tea Party is a collection of people who felt compelled to transition from citizens to activists in favor of limited government and fiscal restraint. Many sacrifice time away from family, work, and life in a desperate attempt to save the nation they love, from their perspective. My concern is that the Tea Party will recoil from supporting a Republican Party that is headed by John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, and Mitt Romney.

I spoke with one such Tea Partier, Rebecca from Florida, over the weekend. She's a retired detective turned young stay-at-home mom, who labels herself a "generic Tea Partier." What she had to say was fascinating and illuminating, and it should concern just about every smart Republican. She was gracious enough to let me publicize her thoughts here at Ricochet.

Here's what she had to share:

"I became politically engaged after the 2008 election," Rebecca told me. "I used to only vote in Presidential elections and local elections that were of interest to me. In January of 2008 I saw Barack Obama give a speech and I was really wowed. He is quite a gifted speaker." She admits that she "liked what he was saying, but some things were just a little off."

She started listening to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck again, wanting to hear what this Obama fellow was really about. But beyond that, she didn't engage in activism - she just showed up to vote for McCain, despite what she considered his "progressivism."

"Obama got elected. Then Obamacare was rammed through. I was appalled. I couldn't believe the shady way such important legislation was passed," Rebecca said. "I have some like-minded mommy friends and I got together with them. I joined our local 9/12 Project, and As A Mom and the TEA Party of Tampa Bay."

Via email and Twitter, Rebecca started sharing information, organizing, paying more attention to what was happening. She took early retirement in 2010 to stay home with her son (Benjamin - a great name, am I right?), and gave birth to another young son (Jameson) last May.

"You see, I now have *much* more to think about in regards to the future of our country," Rebecca said, and happily so. She redoubled her efforts, achieving a level of engagement in politics she'd never had before, and as you all know, Florida's Senate race was ground zero for this movement.

"Casting my vote for Marco Rubio in the primary and then again in the general gave me this amazing feeling of accomplishment," Rebecca said. "I felt like we had done it. First, when he beat Crist for the Republican nod. When he won the seat, I felt like I had finally been able to cast a vote for someone I *believed* in, instead of just choosing the least worst one."

"2010 was a real turning point for me. I watched the midterm election results as we won the House with some good, solid conservatives and I felt so proud and accomplished. I felt like we - the TEA Party, my mommy friends, ME - we had made a difference," Rebecca said. "We were helping to put our country back on the right path, and return to the ideals of our founders."

"Then came 2011," Rebecca says, and her mood clouds. "It felt like every time I turned around, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell were selling us out, hanging our Tea Party freshmen out to dry, and doing it for no apparent reason."

She's unsure why this is. "Are they idiots, or just the worst chess/poker players ever? Every time they have an opportunity to limit government, reduce taxes, etc. they blow it."

And all the while, President Obama is able to "look like he's trying, he's really trying, but the 'Republican Controlled Congress' keeps getting in the way. The debt ceiling increases. The lack of a budget. The 30-odd House passed bills that Harry Reid won't allow a vote on." Indeed, Rebecca is so infuriated with the Congress' inability to carry their message or push back, she thinks a third party might be needed.

"I almost feel as though there needs to be a new party, a truly conservative party, that really represents us. Sometimes I feel like the GOP is more interested in protecting their jobs than in promoting conservative ideals. At least, that's what Boehner and McConnell make me think," Rebecca said. "Why can't we have a party full of Rubios - candidates who believe in American exceptionalism and limited government, and do so unapologetically? Why do we have to have so many squishes?"

The Republican presidential stakes kicked in, and Rebecca engaged. Her hopes rise with Rick Perry's entrance, but then "he gets hammered for stupid things, and drops." She thought about Herman Cain, "but his lack of campaign management was disconcerting." She never really thought Bachmann would make it to Florida, and says "Erick Erickson has educated me too much to cast a vote for Rick Santorum." She considers Ron Paul's views right on a number of accounts, but thinks his foreign policy is "crazy."

"So here I am, supporting Newt Gingrich," Rebecca says. "I'm not in love with Newt, but I trust him more to stay true to conservative ideals. The guy pushed Clinton right, for goodness sake. I only trust Mitt to stay true to himself."

So, Rebecca, about Mitt: why not Romney this time?

"I don't trust him, and I don't think he can win. He is utterly unaware of how offensive his disconnect with the average American is. He drops $10K bets like it's nothing. He thinks $342,000 isn't very much to make in a year," Rebecca said. "I don't begrudge him his wealth - he worked for it and earned it and that is admirable. But I hate his lack of awareness of how super-wealthy he is. His flip-flops are legendary."

"Oh, and he invented Obamacare."

"I see a Romney nomination causing Tea Partiers like me to tune out. We are already disheartened by the congressional leadership. Romney will be the final nail in the coffin. He is completely uninspiring, and is everything we have been working so hard to defeat within the GOP," Rebecca said. "Don't even get me started on that Bain Capital picture. Ugh. There is no way he can win. And I don't want to have to defend him while he tries."

"What is the point in becoming educated on candidates and politics, arguing with my friends, taking the time away from my family - to end up with the guy McCain can't even look in the eye. Why bother?" Rebecca says. "Obviously the "establishment" has already decided it's Romney's turn, and to hell with what we want. I feel like I'm being patted on the head and told "Now go vote for Romney like a good little girl. We know what's best."... I don't even do that to my 3-year-old. It's insulting. It doesn't make me want to campaign for him."

"It honestly makes me want to skip the election, but Obama scares me too much to do that. I do think a Romney presidency will hurt the GOP brand though, and make it hard for a real conservative to have a shot," Rebecca said. "I feel like this is so similar to our 2010 Senate race. Romney is the Crist candidate, loved by many and backed by the establishment. But we have no Rubio. Crist would have been an easy win. He was a liked governor. Without Rubio, he would have easily won the seat. Just because we don't have a Rubio in this race doesn't mean we need to settle for a Crist."

Rebecca feels pressure, among more longstanding Republicans, to get on board the idea of Romney. But she says she's more likely to disengage. This is part of my overall concern: where cycles of political strife often include longtime activists bemoaning flawed nominees (as we saw in 2008 with McCain, and 1996 with Dole) and threatening to walk away, these are paid professionals who have been actively engaged in politics for decades. The Tea Party has a much shorter timeframe of engagement, which may indicate they are more likely to return to their previously disenfranchised state.

"It's like [Republicans] think because I don't eat, sleep and breathe politics, I can't make an informed decision - it must be emotional. My guy lost so I don't want your guy to win. When really I just don't think your guy is the best guy for the job," Rebecca said. "I can easily see a decreased Tea Party voter turn out if Romney is the nominee. I know political pundits may find this hard to believe, but not everyone's life revolves around elections. Are they important? Yes. Should people vote? Absolutely. But LIFE happens."

Rebecca tabulates her schedule for tomorrow, Florida's election day - a typical Tuesday for her household. She flies solo nearly all day, and she's never voted early. Husband's breakfast/lunch packed. Get her two boys up. Breakfast/lunch packed for them. Thirty minutes to Kindermusik, all morning there. Home early afternoon, already late for their naps. Errands, an abbreviated playtime. Dinner, baths, bed. Just voting, she says, is nearly impossible with two youngsters during the day lest naptimes and eating schedules be disrupted, and there's no way she can even attempt to get it done with both kids after about 5 because of the after-work crowds. But she'll still do it.

"I will be voting this Tuesday. I will make it fit into my schedule. I feel like my vote matters right now," Rebecca said. "But can you see how I might not make it a priority if I feel like either my vote doesn't matter, or if I don't feel like the candidate I'm voting for will be much different then what we have? Can you see how life may take precedence over casting an uninspired vote? I can't be alone in this thought process, and if enough people feel this way (and I think they will) it will be catastrophic for Romney and really very bad down-ticket as well."

Will the Tea Party remain engaged in a party led by Romney, Boehner, and McConnell? Rebecca thinks we are about to find out.

"I feel like the people who live politics just don't understand those of us who don't. I am a self-identified political junkie. I am enthralled this cycle with how things change so quickly, and I am trying to stay very informed. But I have to be honest, my time is limited. My family, my boys are my everything. Being informed takes time away from them," she says, whether it's engaging online, organizing activist responses, pushing back their naps to attend a rally.

"If I don't feel like I'm making a difference, where is my incentive to take that time from them?" Rebecca asks.

How Republicans answer her, and the concerns of those like her, may decide their future as a party in 2012 and beyond.

TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: florida; gingrich; newt; obama; obamacare; romney; teaparty; teapartyrebellion
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

just took Ambien

41 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:10 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Yo Mitt - Money can't buy you love...)
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Then enjoy Obama’s second term and the end of America.

I'm not voting for the RINO version of 0bama.


42 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:14 PM PST by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; ladyjane

It is looking like the moderate wing of the Republican party takes the base for granite.

I honestly don’t know if saying ABO enough times will motivate me. Maybe, Romney would pick a true conservative for running mate. Santorum won’t do it for me. I am done with him. He is a whiny little brat, and Ron Paul is a freak.

Maybe, Sarah Palin. I know that is an impossibility, but she would re-invigorate my spirit.

43 posted on 01/31/2012 7:24:17 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Rome2000


44 posted on 01/31/2012 7:24:36 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the
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To: happyhomemaker

You should have spent the money on a real vacation.

45 posted on 01/31/2012 7:27:04 PM PST by Rome2000 (MYTH ROMNEY IS A MORMON MELCHIDEZEK HIGH PRIEST)
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To: meyer
DC apparatchiks steal our money at gunpoint, skim off the top for themselves and their friends, and then redistribute it in exchange for votes.

Anybody who thinks this is going to be stopped via the electoral process is insane.

The US Federal Government post Civil War has turned into a criminal enterprise run by lawyers and bureaucrats for their own perpetual enrichment at the expense of the productive class.

It has also ceased to be a representative Republic and has turned into a sure to fail Democracy.

The Founders didn't put a right to vote into the Constitution for a very simple reason; they didn't want imbeciles, those under 21, and lazy parasites to be enfranchised, in fact warned against it, leaving the States to determine who could cast ballots.

Doesn't have to be blood in the streets , the military can fire every single one of these clowns and start from scratch.

Provisional military government for 6 months, then new elections for all congressional seats and the WH, incumbents need not apply, strict term limits.

Only tax paying citizens and veterans are enfranchised in the new Republic.

The Republic can be be reset with all Amendments other then the original Bill of Rights repealed.

“Dueling” legalized within Washington DC limits.

Problem solved

The franchise must be limited and determined by the states.

Incorporate term limits and rotate the Capital amongst the States.

"Democracies have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death." James Madison

Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams: letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.:Thomas Jefferson

46 posted on 01/31/2012 7:28:39 PM PST by Rome2000 (MYTH ROMNEY IS A MORMON MELCHIDEZEK HIGH PRIEST)
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To: knarf

Have you seen this?

47 posted on 01/31/2012 7:30:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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Which Romney are you supporting? The “Original” Mitt Romney or the new “improvised” Romney?

The only difference between Barack Hussein Obama and Mitt Romney is...Romney is infinitely wealthier and wears grease on his hair.

Both men are socialists and gun grabbing, lying attack dogs. Whoever chose both of them to run this country acquired the same trashy politician.

If you think you have a choice here, well, I feel sorry for you.

48 posted on 01/31/2012 7:30:25 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (BOYCOTT NEVADA...!!!!)
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To: knarf

If Hussein wins, I will ex-pat too. We have already made that decision. We almost did it when deathcare was passed but since neither of us are on medicare, and the 2010 elections went so well, we decided to see what happens this fall.

49 posted on 01/31/2012 7:33:23 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: mamelukesabre; Catsrus

The old “moderates” are not like Romney or Christ or the new “moderates”. The new “moderates” are actually hard lefitsts.

I will choke to death on my own vomit if I vote for Romney. So I won’t, it would be a horrible way to die.

50 posted on 01/31/2012 7:34:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: HerrBlucher

Do you really think Mitt is going to appoint more conservative judges than Obama?
Oh please. everyone on FR knows by my posting history that I despise mittens but ANYBODY other than dyed in the wool Marxists would appoint more conservative judges than the Commie Kenyan Barry Hussein Soetoro the fraud.

51 posted on 01/31/2012 7:35:49 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: ladyjane

Might as well vote for Obama and bring the Republic to a quick end, instead of a slow death with the Republicrats!

52 posted on 01/31/2012 7:36:49 PM PST by Tedmeister
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To: ph12321
Why wait 'til after the election.

Do it the day he gets it - maybe they'll start to get it (doubtful, but we can dream).

53 posted on 01/31/2012 7:37:35 PM PST by mykroar (I believe in the simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it.)
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To: Chi-townChief

DITTO!! I’ve seen how bad Barry is and I would crawl over broken glass to vote for a cockroach before I would stay home.

54 posted on 01/31/2012 7:38:08 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: happyhomemaker

Thank goodness some on here still see the bigger picture. I wonder if the ones on here that are A-ok with Barry Hussein having a 2nd term are 1. Trolls 2. Have not done their research on this sorry POS.

55 posted on 01/31/2012 7:42:05 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: ilgipper


56 posted on 01/31/2012 7:43:29 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: HerrBlucher
Do you really think Mitt is going to appoint more conservative judges than Obama?

Yes. Consider who 0bama has already appointed. He gets more and it's over. I don't even want to think about all the lower federal judges he's been appointing to LIFE terms the past three years.
57 posted on 01/31/2012 7:44:06 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Catsrus

Correct. All the moderate candidates lost. There was Ford, Dole, and McCain. All moderates and all lost.

I couldn’t defend Romneycare either. Romney is not any contrast to Obama. He is a clone.

This is why I would do a protest vote and vote 3rd party or write in a name if he get nominated.

58 posted on 01/31/2012 8:01:47 PM PST by Mozilla (Defeat Romney first then defeat Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d vote for Romney if he was the nominee...or Gingrich, or Santorum, or Ron Paul.

Hell I’d probably even vote Hillary if it meant we could get that America hating Marxist Communist out of office

59 posted on 01/31/2012 8:03:43 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Mozilla

“Well I will be voting 3rd party if Romney wins the nomination.”

So you think it would be better to have another 4 years of Obama instead???

60 posted on 01/31/2012 8:11:17 PM PST by webstersII
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