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How Democrats Misread Polling on Gun Control
Yahoo! News / National Journal ^ | March 22, 2013 | Matt Vasilogambros

Posted on 03/23/2013 5:52:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Proponents of gun-control legislation, emboldened by the president’s call for stricter laws and overwhelming support in public polling, have been optimistic that proposals for background checks or a crackdown on weapons trafficking could pass Congress. Gun-control advocates have cited plenty of data to make their case, including surveys that show more than 80 percent of Americans support background checks.

Even a ban on assault weapons, which has been a more polarizing issue, still wins majority support in many surveys.

But these polls may gloss over some complexities in public opinion on gun control, and explain why Democrats are having so much trouble winning congressional support for even the most modest gun regulations.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Tuesday said he would not include the assault-weapons ban in legislation the Senate will consider next month, an acknowledgement that he doesn't think that proposal could pass. Democrats fear that including the assault-weapons ban might doom the prospects for other measures such as background checks. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who authored the proposal, said she wasn't backing down and would try to tack on the assault-weapons ban as an amendment instead.

So, why aren't the polling numbers on gun control swaying more members of Congress? Many of the poll numbers don't capture the nuances of public opinion.....

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; Polls; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; awb; banglist; democrats; election2014; election2016; guncontrol; secondamendment
They may lose the senate because of this, although the stupid party will probably do something to forestall that.
1 posted on 03/23/2013 5:52:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gun Control is the third rail for Dems. They stay from that like a smoking bomb
2 posted on 03/23/2013 6:03:31 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gun control is an attack on the Constitution and basic rights. The libretards are shocked that people actually like the Constitution and are for law and order. The gun control have a flaw that they never penalize the guilty. They do protect the innocent but penalize the innocent.
3 posted on 03/23/2013 6:08:01 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heh, they sent out Obama’s online community organizing trolls to astroturf the polls, and then actually believed that those corrupted polls were accurate.


4 posted on 03/23/2013 6:09:04 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The "assault weapons" issues can actually be resolved (in our favor).

All we (this means YOU GOP weaklings) need to do is to DEFINE "assault weapon".

Ma and Pa Kettle even know that assault weapons are machine guns that are compact in size, and can be switched between full and semi-auto.

The Marxist/Democrat/leftists just love to pitch this argument with 1. Ignorance, 2. Fear, and 3., (most of all) Emotion. By eliminating the ignorance, we eliminate the other two (eventually).

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5 posted on 03/23/2013 6:11:19 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the average ignorant voter, ask them if they support a ban on assault rifles and they will say “YES!

But the Devil is in the details and the pollster never mentions the details.

Think of those polled about Obamacare.

Do you support government paid medical care? Answer: YES!

You realize you will be forced to buy government mandated insurance don’t you? Answer: WHAT!

It is like one idiot who learned he was being taxed for something. His reaction was....”Whey are we being TAXED for this! The GOVERNMENT should be paying for this!”


6 posted on 03/23/2013 6:12:30 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
although the stupid party will probably do something to forestall that.

With Boehner in charge of the House, you can bet the farm the stupid party will blow the next election.

Don't know what the Vegas odds will be, but I'll bet 100:1 against the Stupid Party at this point.

7 posted on 03/23/2013 6:13:01 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, why aren’t the polling numbers on gun control swaying more members of Congress? Many of the poll numbers don’t capture the nuances of public opinion.....


How about: I’m going to lie my *SS off when you ask me any questions about guns. I don’t trust you or your agenda.


8 posted on 03/23/2013 6:14:03 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
. . . although the stupid party will probably do something to forestall that.

Two poster boys: Aikin and Murdouck.

9 posted on 03/23/2013 6:20:56 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Tuesday said he would not include the assault-weapons ban in legislation the Senate will consider next month, an acknowledgement that he doesn't think that proposal could pass.

They may lose the senate because of this, although the stupid party will probably do something to forestall that.

Reid beat them to the punch. By keeping Feinstein's Bill off the floor, he has kept the roll call from exposing the Dems not liberal enough to vote for the measure and the others not conservative enough to vote against it.

Depending on the district, either could send someone home next election--there is no upside for either party in voting on a Bill so heinous when it can't pass. The only upside in that vote would be for the voters who would have the list of names slated for primary challenges and defeat in the next election cycle.

10 posted on 03/23/2013 6:24:44 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
.. overwhelming support in public polling



             

11 posted on 03/23/2013 6:36:41 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the most part, there are only such “complexities” and “nuances” in the opinions of the pseudo-intellectuals of the political/regulator class answering surveys and aiding the out-of-touch imposers of pathological policies. The more technically inclined healthy thinkers (scary to contemporary cultured folks) targeted by the gun control laws are more in touch with realities than that and haven’t recently born and reared mass murderers (see incomes, demographics, social politics).

Example: severe retards, other extreme incompetents and maniacs—no firearms, nail guns, power saws, knives, hammers, etc. To avoid firearms when drunk or having a bad day is an individual responsibility. Accidents happen.

Even suicide and murder cannot be stopped in the whole population. Crime cannot be reduced to zero, although relatively more traditional morality in society in general would help. Common sense is a trait of people who work daily with the physical realities of life and refuse to listen to their insulated, indoor, rear-end-sitting, policymaking, pathological masters.


12 posted on 03/23/2013 6:43:58 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Seaplaner

Actually, an “assault weapon” is any item used to commit an assault. If I stab someone with a pencil, that pencil is an “assault weapon”. The term is a made up term used to scare the libtards so they will wet their panties in a re-enactment of Pavlov’s Dog


13 posted on 03/23/2013 7:00:36 PM PDT by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Newpapers like the Denver Post or those Skooool DUmmies from Quinnipiac manipulating thier polls.... And you Dem Clowns want to ...





You'll be foolish DUmmies.

14 posted on 03/23/2013 7:09:33 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The rats listened to their base of metrosexuals and very loud squawking hens, aka, “sucker moms”.
Meanwhile, the men and the real women sent laser beams from their eyes in the direction of the scumbag politicians.
...Who felt the heat.


15 posted on 03/23/2013 7:15:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Red Steel

16 posted on 03/23/2013 7:18:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Seaplaner
Ma and Pa Kettle even know that assault weapons are machine guns that are compact in size, and can be switched between full and semi-auto.

Speaking about this very subject a couple of months ago with a Lib and they were shocked to learn from me that an "assault weapon" as presented in the media and purchased at a gun store was not a fully automatic weapon.

17 posted on 03/23/2013 7:19:39 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Lancey Howard

Butter. LoL!


18 posted on 03/23/2013 7:26:17 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Seaplaner

“Ma and Pa Kettle even know that assault weapons are machine guns that are compact in size, and can be switched between full and semi-auto.”

Ma and Pa Kettle are not LIVs. And believe me, low information voters are plentiful.


19 posted on 03/23/2013 7:34:10 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: 95B30
The term is a made up term used to scare the libtards so they will wet their panties in a re-enactment of Pavlov’s Dog

Apt - Pavlov's dog. Heh.

20 posted on 03/23/2013 7:35:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Smoke and mirrors. Universal background checks i.e. registration is what they are shooting for. Republicans talking about mental health prevention of gun ownership is a sure sign things are going bad. I don’t have problems with these checks if type of gun and serial numbers are not part of the check.


21 posted on 03/23/2013 7:36:13 PM PDT by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: BooBoo1000
Gun Control is the third rail for Dems.

Gore and Bubba learned that lesson very well in 2000.

Why Democrats dumped gun control , Apr 18, 2007

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Democrats have been turning away from gun control ever since Al Gore‘s run for the presidency. The then-vice president and his advisors had tried to out-gun-control liberal challenger Bill Bradley during the Democratic primaries. Campaigning against George W. Bush in the general election, Gore decided to quiet his criticism of the NRA and mute his support for gun control to build support in battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan where support for gun rights runs high. In the wake of Gore’s loss, many Democrats blamed the defeat on previous pro-gun control positions Gore had taken, and pulled the party further back from where it had been on the issue.
22 posted on 03/23/2013 7:36:21 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Colorado Lawmakers will soon get to see just how badly they misread the polls. I'm sure that when Joe Biden was whispering sweat nothings in their ears, he told them how popular they would be. The Senator from Durango was shocked when he found out just how hated he is. I can't wait to see them go bye bye. I hope that all of the recalls here will at least make the others think twice.
23 posted on 03/23/2013 8:24:41 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...surveys that show more than 80 percent of Americans support background checks."

Just how do such findings square with the historic levels of gun purchasing by the American public over the last four years?

Well, of course, they don't.

The reason members of Congress are so afraid of voting for increased regulation on guns is because they look at the real world numbers, which say loud and clear, that Americans still have the blood of their forefathers running in their veins.

24 posted on 03/23/2013 8:57:34 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BooBoo1000

They could care less what the polls are, since they know best!


25 posted on 03/23/2013 9:11:42 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: mountainlion; All

Treating the good and the innocent like criminals - isn’t this how the Germans treated the Jews before WW2?


26 posted on 03/23/2013 9:32:57 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
But the Devil is in the details and the pollster never mentions the details.

Whew! Thanks, I feel much better now. I thought he was in the White House.

27 posted on 03/23/2013 10:12:10 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, let's consider the boxes:
1. Soap box
2. Ballot box
3. Moving box
4. Jury box
5. Cartridge box
and
Claire Wolfe: America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.

Looks more and more like No. 5.

None of the crap being done is legal, but these gun grabbers don't care. They are afraid that the American people have awakened to their schemes and treason. They believe the only way to implement their schemes is to disarm America. Americans are not stupid: they see what Obama has done and continues to do to the economy and they see his Santa Claus giveaways to looters from the productive will collapse on its own weight. That's why disarmament has to be done . . . to protect those in power, Democraps or RINOs.

Consider this, in just four months, the FBI Instant Checks processed 2.3 million gun sales in November 2013, 2.4 million in December 2012, 2.3 million in January 2013, and 2.3 million in February 2013. That's enough guns to completely re-equip both the Chinese PLA (2.3 million) and Indian (1.7 million) armies TWICE. There would be 1.3 million guns left over after re-equipping was done. Americans are arming for a fight and the assholes in DC and Donkey controlled state capitals know this. What more and more American are feeling is that our state and national governments have lost legitimacy and are gone rogue.

28 posted on 03/23/2013 10:19:17 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The lying media do their best to confuse the public as a matter of policy going back decades:

  "The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's
   confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic
   assault weapons anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to
   be a machine gun can only increase that chance of public support for
   restrictions on these weapons."
                       --  Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

Thus "assault weapons" to add to the LIV confusion.

P

P.S. LIV == LowInformationVoter
29 posted on 03/24/2013 11:41:39 AM PDT by Peet (Notice: Due to the high price of ammo, there will be NO warning shots.)
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