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The Conservative Paranoid Mind: Guns, immigration & Tsarnaev-constant need to stoke fear
The Daily Beast ^ | April 22, 2013 | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 04/22/2013 8:01:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals and civil libertarians shouldn’t yet be saying that there’s utterly no way that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should be declared an “enemy combatant.” The post-9/11 law, whatever one’s opinion of it, does say that an American citizen affiliated with al Qaeda, the Taliban, “or associated forces” engaged in hostility with the United States can be declared an enemy combatant. It doesn’t seem like he’s that, but who knows, he may shock everyone when he comes to by saying that he and his brother were precisely that.

But it isn’t liberals who are jumping the gun here. As usual, conservatives are rushing to judgment, shredding the Constitution, using the bombing as an pretext for derailing immigration reform, and generally seeking any excuse to reimpose their paranoid and authoritarian worldview, which needs fear like a vampire needs blood, on the rest of us.

The cry, which I’m sure will pick up steam this week, was led over the weekend by the usual suspects—John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Kelly Ayotte, and Peter King. On the basis of what evidence? On the basis of no evidence at all. They know nothing! We’re starting to piece together a portrait of these guys, although it’s more of Tamerlan than of his younger brother. It’s a grim portrait. He evidently did become a radicalized Islamist. But if he and his brother were acting alone, even if the bombing was 100 percent politically motivated, they can’t be called enemy combatants. Period.

At most, they should say: “If the facts connect him to al Qaeda or any other designated groups, then he should be declared an enemy combatant.” Some would disagree with that, but no one could really criticize that as a legitimate posture within the parameters of U.S. law....

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: banglist; boston; guncontrol; immigration; obama; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/22/2013 8:01:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not paranoia if they’re really out ta get ya!


2 posted on 04/22/2013 8:05:15 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they were working alone why did the younger brother feel he had a need to kill his older brother?


3 posted on 04/22/2013 8:08:30 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A bit more of the so-described “paranoid mind” and this attack could have been thwarted. You know, like the “paranoid” conservatives in Canada just thwarted the planned attack on the Amtrak “Maple Leaf” train.


4 posted on 04/22/2013 8:11:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

The author is a Partisan Media Shill, and a scumbag. The fact that The Daily Beast published it shows that it is run by scumbags.

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.

Analysts surprised by alleged Al Qaeda in Iran tie in Canada plot
la times | 4/22/2013 | Emily Alpert
Posted on 04/22/2013 7:29:44 PM PDT by tobyhill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3011164/posts

AP NewsAlert [Boston suspects motivated by religion, worked alone]
Breitbart | nothing follows
Posted on 04/22/2013 3:18:07 PM PDT by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3011066/posts

Muslims Should Rise Up And Reject Terrorism
Investors.com | April 22, 2013 | Nonie Darwish
Posted on 04/22/2013 7:55:42 PM PDT by jazusamo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3011167/posts


5 posted on 04/22/2013 8:15:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...any excuse to reimpose their paranoid and authoritarian worldview..."

I cannot for the life of me think of a finer example of liberal projection than this article.

6 posted on 04/22/2013 8:17:40 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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Comments?

Yeah. U.S. citizens have the right to due process.

7 posted on 04/22/2013 8:19:56 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sequestration will be the end of the world !

The Fiscal Cliff will Kill us all.

Occupiers Demand Bankers Heads on Platters.

If Obama is not elected President there will be riots.

Yada, yada, yada...

8 posted on 04/22/2013 8:22:29 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In “The Mohammedan Good Book of War”, it is the infidel converts to Mohammedanism peaceably, or the sword. There is no ‘waffling’. It is either convert, or die.

To that, I retort:
Stand and Deliver! No Submission, No Compromise, No Prisoners!

I spilt my own blood, defending The constitution, and MY OWN Rights, to go tell some ‘everluvin’ idiot from one of them there ‘Stans’, to kneel and pucker, when they state “You Must ...”!! Ain’t no ‘Must’ from this here aged Native Born, with a bloodline nameed ‘Dalton’!


9 posted on 04/22/2013 8:24:46 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A liberal would argue in a game of russian-roulette that the conservative is only being paranoid about their being a real live cartridge in the cylinder. You can't win an argument against "stupid".


10 posted on 04/22/2013 8:26:07 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Holy cow.

I was determined to stay out of the immigration debate, but this airheaded bit of tripe motivated me to post.

We need to shut down the brainless move to swamp us with immigrants, just like we did with the brainless move to restrict our guns.

“NO”. Not maybe. Not in depends.

No.


11 posted on 04/22/2013 8:26:35 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guns laws are because of paranoia.


12 posted on 04/22/2013 8:28:34 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: rlmorel

Liberals do it all the time, especially regarding racial issues. They come up with crazy off the wall definitions of what a conservative “was REALLY saying”, then they label it racism. Everytime I see or hear this crap I think only a person who thinks that way could twist it.


13 posted on 04/22/2013 8:34:08 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A little paranoia is a good thing, especially when dealing with people who want you dead.


14 posted on 04/22/2013 8:37:46 PM PDT by matt1234 (The NRA: Redefining "Too big to fail.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Tomasky".....Gotta be some communists in that woodpile.
15 posted on 04/22/2013 8:39:48 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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“As usual, conservatives are rushing to judgment, shredding the Constitution, using the bombing as an pretext for derailing immigration reform, and generally seeking any excuse to reimpose their paranoid and authoritarian worldview, which needs fear like a vampire needs blood, on the rest of us.”

Insanity


16 posted on 04/22/2013 8:44:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tomasky is an old leftist with a puppeteers hand up his back. 3,000+ murders of American citizens by islamic scum and he still lives in denial.


17 posted on 04/22/2013 8:51:10 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A note from the future.


18 posted on 04/22/2013 9:03:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just want to remind everyone that Al Qaeda was originally formed by many different Islamist groups. It means ‘The Base’. Liberals and leftists want people to think it is one group now. Most here know this already....this post is for the low info Marxist lurkers.

Even the title of this article is moronic...why read the rest?


19 posted on 04/22/2013 9:16:17 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I thought the pResident set the precedent with Newtown.

Jump on it as fast as possible and demagogue it to death.

He was on TV stoking fear and hatred about guns before the ME was even allowed into the school.

20 posted on 04/22/2013 9:45:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberty and Justice for All, as they say. I’d say the perpetrator(s) are entitled to due process and fair proceedings. I like to think that we’re not so barbarous that we turn into lynch mobs at the drop of a hat.

At the same time, I’m absolutely sure that justice won’t end well for them. We absolutely must wait to see all the evidence, and we must make sure we have the right guy (seems certain at this point); if we’re right, it’s just a little more time and then he gets what’s coming to him. If we’re wrong (heaven forbid), we stop ourselves from doing wrong in turn. Even when the result seems a foregone conclusion, due proceedings are a must.

Now, the rest of the article thumps its chest with some partisan name-calling, and I don’t care for that. To the extent that the article is correct, if any, and this is being used to push for anti-immigrant measures, shame on those folks for trying to take advantage of a tragedy to force their agenda. But at the same time, shame on this guy for trying to turn it around into a pro-immigration thing; it’s hard to tell who’s taking advantage of what here, so I’m just going to wag my finger at all the other issues being pulled into this.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 4:48:10 AM PDT by Droso_Phila
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To: rlmorel
I cannot for the life of me think of a finer example of liberal projection than this article.

Thanks. That's one of the thoughts I was looking for after reading what you quoted.

I imagine it's always been like this, but the constant propaganda pretending to be cogent thought these days gets tiresome.

22 posted on 04/23/2013 6:03:32 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

Libs. All you have to do to figure out what they are up to, is listen to what they accuse their enemies of doing.


23 posted on 04/23/2013 8:24:43 AM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Paranoid. Unlike, say, the SPLC or the feminist movement.


24 posted on 04/25/2013 5:01:18 PM PDT by Random_User_250 ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism." -- Vladimir Lenin)
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