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Republican party's 'humiliating' defeat raises prospects of lasting party split
The Manchester Guardian ^ | October 16, 2013 | Dan Roberts and Paul Lewis in Washington

Posted on 10/18/2013 3:39:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican speaker of the House of Representatives, John Boehner, has a curious habit of pulling despairing faces when marching his divided troops into battle.

As he marched them back again on Wednesday, exhausted and bedraggled by their failed attempt to hold President Obama to ransom over his healthcare reforms, there is much of the same eye-rolling that characterised the start of their reluctant campaign. “We fought the good fight. We just didn’t win,” he told a radio interviewer.

But not all Republicans think they can shrug off the past two weeks just as easily.

Moderate senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain were this week practically begging Democrats to put them out of their misery. “We won't be the last political party to overplay our hand. It might happen one day on the Democratic side. And if it did, would Republicans, for the good of the country, kinda give a little,” pleaded Graham.

McCain, who opposed the risky House strategy from the outset, accused Democratic rivals of “piling on” in delight....

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Texas; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: boehner; cruz; gop; gopcivilwar; lindseygraham; mccain; shutdown; teaparty; tedcruz; texas

1 posted on 10/18/2013 3:39:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The only thing the Republican "leaders" have shown they can do is lose.

Time for new leadership.

2 posted on 10/18/2013 3:41:09 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Surrendering for no good reason is not the same as a fair loss.


3 posted on 10/18/2013 3:45:00 PM PDT by sourcery (Valid rights must be perfectly reciprocal.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Republican party's 'humiliating' defeat

I don't believe this at ALL!

I believe that the Party did the right thing for the wrong reason. It asked for a defunding of Obamacare. It asked for the individual mandate to be delayed a year.

Those were the wrong tactics I believe for the overall strategy of killing Obamacare.

I believe that their tactics did however, shine a spotlight on the failures of Obamacare that the press hasn't been able to gloss over and hide.

Obama and his ilk are going to have to spend the next year coping with Obamacare in a VERY public way, thanks to the Repub efforts.

Just right for an election year.

4 posted on 10/18/2013 3:45:48 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama&Admin=An army of deer, led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions led by a deer)
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To: jeffc

They want to lose...Winning means they would actually have to lead instead of complaining all the time. They get their nice DC insider perks either way.


5 posted on 10/18/2013 3:45:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, I thought they fought the right fight at the right time and pretty much the right way. If we wait until ‘16, obamacare will be an integrated part of life and there will be no way to dump it.


6 posted on 10/18/2013 3:48:16 PM PDT by vet7279
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When you have a party that is identical to the party you are opposed to Then you have no party
7 posted on 10/18/2013 3:49:40 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: ronnie raygun

Third Party?!?!? Heck I’d like a Second Party, first.


8 posted on 10/18/2013 3:51:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

You have good points. And during the next year, the republicans (especially the conservatives) will be repeating “See, we told you so”. Any negativity will go away as the public realizes Cruz, Lee, etc. were prophetic criers warning about the inveloping train wreck.


9 posted on 10/18/2013 3:52:12 PM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: TMA62
Yes they were.

But also consider:

Right now it's a few hundred who have gotten their insurance quotes. A drop in the bucket, literally.

Just wait. Next year it'll be hundreds of thousands, millions, TENS OF MILLIONS, *HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS* who are expressing their opinions in a very vocal and public way.

This party is only beginning!

10 posted on 10/18/2013 3:55:47 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama&Admin=An army of deer, led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions led by a deer)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

It helped identify the RINOs and the Quislings. Here is hoping that Graham and McDonnell lose in the primaries.


11 posted on 10/18/2013 3:57:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

McConnell.


12 posted on 10/18/2013 3:58:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Amen to that! disgusting buggers!


13 posted on 10/18/2013 3:58:29 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama&Admin=An army of deer, led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions led by a deer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

hey. if conservative republicans separate from their own party, i’ll join up. call it the Lincoln’s Original Party. whatever as long as the leftist GOP leadership is purged from it.


14 posted on 10/18/2013 4:00:32 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I take note of the fact that those Republicans who were saying “we can’t win” during the fight over Obamacare funding, now that it has again been funded, are acting an awful lot like they just won.


15 posted on 10/18/2013 4:03:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: vet7279
I don't know. We put these guys in the House to keep Obama in check and to fight for us and our values. I wanted pit bulls. We got lap dogs.

This whole show was just that — a show. There was no intent to rid us of Obamacare or to hold the line on the other issues.

16 posted on 10/18/2013 4:07:59 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only leadership I recognize is the conservative caucus. There is no one else in the party IMHO beyond that.


17 posted on 10/18/2013 4:19:14 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Tea Party was the big winner over the past month.

Just like the Iraq/Afghanistan war crystallized Democrats against Bush and nationalized the 2006 and 2008 election, Obamacare and the runaway debt have strengthened the Tea Party to take over the Republican party in a generational change. Old school Republicans like Graham and McCain will retire or be retired.

With Obama running in the 30’s and low 40’s in approval, the time is right for a sweep of the House and Senate. Watch the 2014 Congress attach de-funding and government-shrinking provisions to every bill that is sent to Obama for signature.

Remember, the Republicans won the House in 2010 and 2012 with the campaign promise to obstruct every leftist program dreamed up by the Democrats. When Obama or Reid calls them “obstructionists”, it only serves to encourage the Tea Party to continue the fight — victories in small battles lead to victory in war.

If Obama and Reid simply said that they would negotiate everything, even if they gave away complete fluff, the Tea Party would have been deflated and Ted Cruz would just be another freshman senator. Amazing how small-minded Valarie Jarrett and Obama really are to not see that coming.


18 posted on 10/18/2013 4:20:12 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

THE ONLY QUESTION IS 2DV IS : HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE BEFORE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE AMERICAN PEOPL REALIZE THAT TEA PARTY Conservatism IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE....?


19 posted on 10/18/2013 4:22:42 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
With Obama running in the 30’s and low 40’s in approval, the time is right for a sweep of the House and Senate. Watch the 2014 Congress attach de-funding and government-shrinking provisions to every bill that is sent to Obama for signature.

I can agree with everything you say...except for one little qualification:

At least, to some degree, success requires that the RNC and RSCC not screw it up -- fighting the Tea Party with more money and passion than they direct against the Democrats.

Given that we'll be expending serious money and passion against McConnell, Graham, Alexander and Cochrane, e.g., I rather doubt we can count on their support for our candidates...should we prevail.

Nonetheless, the internecine battle in the Republican Party needs to be fought -- and both sides need to abide by the outcome if we are to succeed.

20 posted on 10/18/2013 4:32:41 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
Why do people think that the WH and other liberal Democrats fear the Tea Party so much??

They know that the TP is strong and growing stronger. That's why the administration sic'd the IRS on them!

21 posted on 10/18/2013 4:34:00 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama&Admin=An army of deer, led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions led by a deer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The media loves to dispirit the right by telling us how divided we are.

And a lot of conservative lap it up. This is the commie media's best ploy and it works.

22 posted on 10/18/2013 4:38:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As usual most people do not understand what happened or what is going on.

obumbler did not win anything.

The big R republicans did win.

They won because what this was all about after the first day or two was whether the big R’s were going to whip Cruz, Lee and the Tea Party.

So they whipped them. Peter King, dispicable McCain, Burr and many others of the old “in” crowd did everything they could to cause a disaster in the expectation that Cruz would be blamed.

Since they see things only from the view of those inside the Repub-e and have little idea what those of us outside the beltway see, they do not realize that we see that Cruz could have succeeded had the big R guys backed them all the way.

The big R won a battle, but they are as wounded as Cornwallis was when he left Guilford Courthouse, never to be a potent fighting force again.

I have already sent my donation to the Tea Party.


23 posted on 10/18/2013 4:58:10 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Republican party's 'humiliating' defeat I don't believe this at ALL!

As a T-Partier...we won....the old Republican establishment lost.....first we defeat the RINOS and then we crush the Dems ... we just separated the wheat from the chaff.....and the goats from the sheep.....now it's total war unencumbered.

24 posted on 10/18/2013 5:11:26 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (The)
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To: dadfly

dadfly->Lincoln’s Original Party...

I like that name a lot...instead of GOP we’d have LOP.


25 posted on 10/18/2013 5:36:16 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: bronxville

i wondered if someone would pick up on the LOP! thanks bronx.


26 posted on 10/18/2013 5:52:50 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: okie01

#defundthegop. Stop contributing to the RNSC. Try FreedomWorks or the Senate Conservative Committee.


27 posted on 10/18/2013 6:00:22 PM PDT by jtonn
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To: jtonn

or identify good conservatives and fund them directly


28 posted on 10/18/2013 6:08:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: jimsin

29 posted on 10/19/2013 6:56:00 AM PDT by humblegunner
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