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Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
CNN ^ | March 17, 2014 | Julian Zelizer

Posted on 03/18/2014 1:37:04 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

Editor's note: Julian Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the author of "Jimmy Carter" and "Governing America."

(CNN) -- ...The weaknesses of both men—Cruz in terms of his style and Paul in terms of his rhetoric—point out how desperate the GOP is to find someone who can build a broad coalition, something that is essential for a presidential victory, particularly when Republicans will likely be facing a formidable candidate.

The problems of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have been a huge blow to the party, and there are not many alternatives at this point who are willing to run to replace a figure who, in terms of style of governance and rhetoric, would have a better chance of appealing to voters beyond the base. This is the reason former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is getting so much buzz, as potentially the only other person who can fill this void.

If Republicans can't find some alternative and the primaries revolve around the tension between Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, Democrats will be in excellent position to retain the White House in 2016.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Florida; Kentucky; New Jersey; Texas; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2016elections; chrischristie; democratshill; florida; jebbush; julianzelizer; kentucky; marcorubio; newjersey; tedcruz; texas
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To: 9YearLurker

No. But thanks for playing.

And yes, I’ve read the relavent articles and seen how he’s voted.


41 posted on 03/18/2014 3:10:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: ansel12
Everyone has an opinion, but that's not the one I learned in grade school in the early 1970s.

I'm not going to argue it with you and don't want the management to ban me, but I suspect the demonrats will bring it up and hang that charge on the party of Nixon.

Good luck with that.

42 posted on 03/18/2014 3:17:22 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Indeed Paul is pro-amnesty and you shouldn’t inaccurately post otherwise here.

Here’s just one quote:

“Are you willing to try to bring the 11 million people who are here, bring them out of the shadows, give them an existence, try to be more humane, and try to get a better situation for them? That could happen tomorrow,” Paul said on ABC’s “This Week.”

“The problem is, is the sticking point going to be we have to have immediate voting privileges for those who came here illegally,” Paul added. “If the Democrats are willing to come halfway, I think we can pass some meaningful reform.”

http://patdollard.com/2014/01/rand-paul-backs-amnesty-if-illegals-cant-vote-immediately/


43 posted on 03/18/2014 3:24:04 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bigbob

I love it when the Libtards start to care about who we nominate for Presdient. :-)


44 posted on 03/18/2014 3:34:18 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RatRipper

exactly, the left said that Reagan would be the easiest to beat too :)


45 posted on 03/18/2014 3:41:49 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: GBA

That must have been quite a grade school that taught you that “under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 — Cruz was born in 1970 — someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s.”


46 posted on 03/18/2014 3:59:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
I was taught born in the USA to citizen parents is a natural born American citizen, nothing else.

Not hard to understand at all. So simple even a fifth or sixth grader can understand it.

It's all the exceptions people come up with that are hard to understand, like your example as written in your post, for instance.

47 posted on 03/18/2014 4:12:25 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

If you disagree with the Cato institute and think that Senator Cruz is not qualified to be President, then you should go to this thread to argue it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060736/posts


48 posted on 03/18/2014 4:23:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 9YearLurker

How did he vote on the immigration bill? Agains it you say.... Hhmmm, that’s not very “amnesty” like.

How about his 11mil out of the shadows comment there? Was it “amnesty” with full citizenship like Reagan did? No? They’d go to the back of the immigration line and lose all of their current benefits? Well shoot, that’s not much of an “amnesty” either...

Wasn’t there something about finishing the border wall and making any reforms contigent upon an annual Congressional panel afirming the border being “secured”?

Well darn, that ain’t very “amnesty”/pro-illegal immigrant either.

So maybe it’s YOU doing the lying here...

Who’s your favorite for POTUS? Christie or Jeb?


49 posted on 03/18/2014 4:50:54 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

Amnesty has nothing to do with finishing a border wall. Making them eligible for citizenship, albeit a tad delayed, is amnesty.

And of course I’m not for Jeb or Christie, who are two more pro-amnesty types.

Cruz is probably the best we have.


50 posted on 03/18/2014 4:56:18 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The problems of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have been a huge blow to the party, and there are not many alternatives at this point who are willing to run to replace a figure who, in terms of style of governance and rhetoric, would have a better chance of appealing to voters beyond the base. This is the reason former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is getting so much buzz, as potentially the only other person who can fill this void.

If this clown thinks that Jeb Bush is going to rally the Repubican base, he's got another guess coming.

51 posted on 03/18/2014 4:59:00 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: 9YearLurker

It was in Rand’s amendment to the Senate immigration bill.

If you don’t even know that much, your opinion is worthless.


52 posted on 03/18/2014 5:05:19 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

I know what was in Rand’s amendment and I stand by my statement: securing the border has nothing to do with amnesty. Sure, he put in a condition that the Senate wouldn’t go for, but again, he is for citizenship for illegals, which is flat-out amnesty.


53 posted on 03/18/2014 5:09:22 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

If your ship is sinking, plugging the hole has nothing to do with keeping afloat.

Care to revise your statement? Or stick with your flawed logic along with your lack of facts?


54 posted on 03/18/2014 5:10:36 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

He is for giving citizenship to illegals—how much more plainly can it put it for you.

There’s nothing to revise and my logic isn’t flawed. my original post in response to your false post offered all the facts needed: a direct quote from Paul.


55 posted on 03/18/2014 5:13:58 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Oh, and I’m done with your inaccuracies, insults and false accusations—I won’t respond further to you on this thread.


56 posted on 03/18/2014 5:15:19 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Good... The less agitprop you folks spread the better a chance the truth has to sit unmolested.


57 posted on 03/18/2014 5:35:51 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: 9YearLurker

If Paul was “for” amnesty as you say, how did he vote on the immigration bill?

Kinda makes you the liar here.


58 posted on 03/18/2014 5:36:43 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: ansel12
So, by your definition, someone could be born anywhere but here, spend their entire life anywhere but here, have a father who isn't a citizen, but as long as their mom was a citizen at some point, that person is a natural born American citizen?

Okie dokie.

We live in a time where marriage is now whatever you want it to be, an illegal alien isn't illegal nor alien, just undocumented, cold weather is man caused global cooling, hot weather is man caused global warming, unless it's actually human caused climate change, and by golly anyone who disagrees with that irrefutable fact should be jailed!

So, sure, up is down and down is up and as long as you're in love with a candidate, or even just full of infatuation, the actual words and meanings are whatever you want them to be!

As I said earlier, I'm not going to argue with you and I have no intention of being banned. I merely told you what I learned in public school and doubt that I am alone.

So, do whatever you please. Ignore the warnings, but consider this:

When you see loyal people who have been here at FR from the beginning, who have fought, celebrated and commiserated with you in every battle get banned or ask to be removed over Ted Cruz's eligibility, but otherwise love the guy and supported his candidacy for the Senate, it is a hint of things to come on the larger stage and perhaps you might reconsider your choice.

The last word is yours...

59 posted on 03/18/2014 8:22:47 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

That was a Cato definition, I even gave you the source and the thread where it is being discussed.

“under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 — Cruz was born in 1970 — someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s.”

You made a very long post, but didn’t say anything that would back up your claims, nothing.


60 posted on 03/18/2014 8:57:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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