Posted on 07/23/2015 7:49:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks, NEWBIE for that advice from DU.
Any time Trump mentions the birth certificate he should be laughed at. He made these grand claims then delivered nothing. You think that’s a good thing?
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Exactly. Some of us might applaud this, but it brings back the image of Donald the clown to too many others. Besides, he won’t be running against Barack Obama in 2016, so what’s the point?
Here is a crucial point that many people don’t know or have forgotten. After Obama released the COLB, CNN announced that this was the only BC Obama could EVER produce, because after HI went digital all paper records were “discarded.”
This point is seminal because CNN didn’t make it up. They got it from HI officials. HI at that time had no LFBC for Obama [which Abercrombie confirmed] so they really, REALLY wanted the COLB to be the last word on the subject.
It was only after Trump got out his massive megaphone and started THRASHING Obama on the subject that the cut and paste Frankenstein BC appeared. Polls had reflected ever larger #s of people doubting Obama’s birth narrative, so something had to be done to stem the tide.
And no, CNN never explained how a piece of paper which had been “discarded” years before could suddenly reappear. The hyena press has only one mode: defend Obama.
That sentence seems to be a favorite of yours. A moment going back to "Literature 101" should change that. Here's that sentence in context:
For the briefest moment I sensed Mark hesitate, like a rock climber losing his footing. Then, almost immediately, he regained his composure and waved for the check.
“Who knows?” he said. “What’s certain is that I don’t need the stress. Life’s hard enough without all that excess baggage.”
We stood up to leave, and I insisted on paying the bill. Outside we exchanged addresses and promised to write, with a dishonesty that made my heart ache. When I got home, I told Auma how the meeting had gone. She looked away for a moment, then broke out with a short, bitter laugh.
“What’s so funny?”
“I was just thinking about how life is so strange. You know, as soon as the Old Man died, the lawyers contacted all those who might have a claim to the inheritance. Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark’s father was. So of all of the Old Man’s kids, Mark’s claim is the only one that is uncontested."
Who is the speaker in this final paragraph? See if you can figure it out. (Hint: it's not Barack Obama.)
Who is relating the story? Hint, it is Obama.
What was posted at the WH has nothing to do with what Auma was talking about.
Obama Sr had children with three women, Ruth, Ann, and Kezia.
Obama Sr - Ruth had Mark and David
Obama Sr - Ann had Obama Jr
Obama Sr - Kezia had Auma
Obama Jr relates “of all of the Old Man’s kids, Mark’s claim is the only one that is uncontested”
Obama Jr here states that his claim is contested. So what is that on the White House website?
No. Obama merely quotes Auma as believing all other claims are contested. The person indicated by Auma as lacking documentation is Auma's mother.. Obama doesn't say one thing here about what HIS mother may have had or not had by way of documentation about Obama, or whether either Obama or Stanley Ann thought Obama's claim was contested.
You're reading into the text what isn't there.
What isn’t in the text is Obama’s correction of (according to you) the falsity of Auma’s statement.
Obama wrote, having his half-sister state, that only the children of Obama Sr-Ruth have an uncontested claim.
You are reading into the text what isn’t there, you are reading that Obama states his claim was uncontested.
Obama recounting Auma's words about her mother doesn't magically transform them into words about Obama and his mother. But that's the sleight of hand you're trying to pull with the out of context quote and reference to the WH posting.
> Obama recounting Auma’s words about her mother doesn’t magically transform them into words about Obama and his mother.
How do you magically transform “So of all of the Old Man’s kids, Mark’s claim is the only one that is uncontested” into “Obama’s claim is uncontested”?
> You’re implying...
I’m not implying anything, I am quoting Obama’s book.
> But that’s the sleight of hand you’re trying to pull with the out of context quote
The specific quote “Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark’s father was” leads directly to the passage in question, exemplified by your posting it. A quote such as “Mark’s claim is the only one that is uncontested” is more generic and does not point directly to the passage in question.
You claim Auma’s statement is false yet offer nothing to support the claim. That’s the sleight of hand you’re trying to pull.
The Columbia ID is bogus.
Those aren't words you quoted initially. So appealing to words you didn't quote to try to salvage the misleading nature of your partial original quote illustrates my point.
Your original words:
Obama wrote, “Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark’s father was.” Then what’s that thing on the White House website?
Saying "Obama wrote" without noting he was quoting Auma makes it look like "Unlike my Mum" are Obama's words about his mother when they are not.
Making reference to the WH posting implies that there's some contradiction between that document and "Unlike my Mum, Ruth has all the documents need to prove who Mark's father was" when they refer to documentation for two different persons. The "documents" in the quote refers to documents to which would support Auma's claim of BHO's paternity. The WH posting proves the paternity of BHO Sr. to Obama Jr. Different things.
I quote what Obama wrote.
You claim what Obama wrote is false.
But you don't make clear that the speaker of the quoted words was Auma, not Obama. That's what's misleading. But you apparently can't see that. You think that quote is some strike against Obama and his documentation, when it is not.
You claim what Obama wrote is false.
I've never claimed that. I have no reason to believe Obama misquoted Auma. I'm simply pointing out that "Unlike my Mum, Ruth has the documents to show who Mark's father was" ISN'T referring to Stanley Ann or documents showing who Jr's father was. It's not. Those are Auma's words about Auma's mother and Auma being able to show BHO Sr. was her father.
From all accounts, BHO Sr. died impoverished, so it would be no surprise Obama and Stanley Ann figured it was not worth formally pursuing some estate claim over in Kenya. As part of the estate administration, a list of potential heirs would be made, but until proper documentation is lodged, those all would remain "disputed." But that doesn't mean Obama lacked the documentation to establish paternity (which is what you're trying to suggest). More likely it wasn't worth the hassle when there's no pot of money at the end of the day.
You attack the messenger, not the message.
I question the posting on the White House website because it contradicts previous statements.
This statement from “Dreams” is one instance of a contradiction, there are others.
You dismiss this contradiction claiming what Obama wrote is false.
Direct your attention to Obama. His prior statements contradict the posting on the White House website.
I am not responsible for the posting on the White House website or for Obama’s previous statements, he is.
The contradictions between the posting on the White House website and his previous statements raise reasonable doubts. Obama has complained about having to “paste a birth certificate on [his] forehead”. Liars shouldn’t complain when their word is doubted.
You further a narrative that the posting on the White House website is “the truth” and that all contradictory prior statements are false. That’s your business. In my opinion it is foolish to dismiss the contradictions.
The long form was released on April 27, 2011, 18 months before the 2012 election. Obama waited until the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle was out of office and Obama’s good friend, Neil Abercrombie was the new Governor.
Obama’s intransigence on releasing the long form was helped immeasurably by the Republican Party’s refusal to push the issue. John McCain refused to release any birth certificate ( he did allow one Washington Post reporter to see it) and Mitt Romney only released a Michigan short form abstract which says “VOID” on it four times. They just refused to force Obama’s hand.
Obama made a tactical decision that it was more to his political advantage to have people questioning his eligibility than resolving the issue once and for all. On top of that he kept winning lawsuit after lawsuit on the issue which made him look like a winner.
The political benefit was more votes from minorities who are recent immigrants and also have their “American-ness” questioned: in 2012 73% of Asian voters went for Obama and 71% of Hispanic voters.
No one should ever expect a left wing Democrat to stop acting like a left wing Democrat.
The following is excerpts from a longer article. The full article is linked below:
Posted on: Tuesday, July 28, 2009— Honolulu Advertiser
Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists
By Dan Nakaso, Advertiser Staff Writer
Hawai’i’s Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President Obama’s original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage, but the announcement is unlikely to satisfy conspiracy theorists who insist Obama was born in Kenya.
“We don’t destroy vital records,” Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said. “That’s our whole job, to maintain and retain vital records.”
The Health Department’s director reiterated yesterday that she has seen Obama’s birth records.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen,” Fukino said in a statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.”
Fukino tried on Oct. 31 to put an end to the belief among so-called “birthers” that Obama was not born in Honolulu’s Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital. The birthers insist that Obama was not born in the U.S. and is therefore ineligible to be president.
Despite Fukino’s statement yesterday — and several court rulings and statements by Hawai’i’s Republican governor, Linda Lingle, the issue continued to resonate from Capitol Hill to the blogosphere.
A congressional resolution introduced yesterday by Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawai’i, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Island statehood was temporarily postponed because birthers objected to a clause noting Obama was born in Hawai’i, said Dave Helfert, an Abercrombie spokesman.
The line “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961;” appeared to be construed by birthers as a thinly veiled attempt to get Congress to affirm Obama’s U.S. citizenship, Helfert said.
As the issue came to a vote yesterday, Minnesota Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann rose to object, saying there was not a quorum present.
The House later voted unanimously 378-0 to approve the resolution. Bachmann voted in favor of the resolution.
ORIGINAL FORM EXISTS
Mainland media has also continued to focus attention on the birthers. CNN’s Lou Dobbs last week demanded Obama’s original birth certificate. That was followed by CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein telling staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” that the issue is a “dead” story, according to a Los Angeles Times report.
In an e-mail, according to the Times, Klein wrote that CNN researchers had determined that Obama’s 1961 birth certificate no longer exists because Hawai’i officials had discarded paper documents in 2001 — a claim denied yesterday by Isle health officials.
In 2001, Hawai’i’s paper documents were reproduced in electronic format but “any paper data prior to that still exists,” Health Department spokeswoman Okubo said.
Okubo would not say where Obama’s original birth certificate is, but said “we have backups for all of our backups.”
“Our Certificate of Live Birth is the standard form, which was modeled after national standards that are acceptable by federal agencies and organizations,” Okubo said. “With that form, you can get your passport or your soccer registration or your driver’s license.”
One thing that remains unclear is whether Obama has a copy of the original 1961 Certificate of Live Birth, or if he would even be allowed to see it if he asked.
FORMAT CHANGED
The standard “Certification of Live Birth” that Hawai’i health officials now issue — and was posted on Obama’s campaign Web site — has
FIRST MENTION
In November 2008, The Advertiser reported that the first published mention of the future president appeared in a Sunday Advertiser birth announcement that ran on Aug. 13, 1961:
“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”
The identical announcement ran the following day in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.
Birthers wave off those birth announcements, saying that Obama family members 48 years ago could have phoned in false information to both newspapers.
Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.
Birth announcements from the public ran elsewhere in both papers and usually included information such as the newborn’s name, weight and time of birth.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
I’ve seen that what was offered as Obama’s birth certificate was exposed as a forgery, too.
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