Skip to comments.Tucker Carlson: I think Elizabeth Warren would have beaten Trump last year
Posted on 02/09/2017 2:41:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Via the Right Scoop, I dont know that Id go that far. But Im also not sure, as I said yesterday, that Warren will be as useful a hate object to the GOP as it hopes and expects. Tuckers not sure either:
I dont know, though. I mean, I see your point, I think its a smart point, but I also think in fact, Id bet money that if Elizabeth Warren had received the Democratic nomination, shed be the president right now, because she is in line with what Democratic voters think. She has a worldview, she can articulate it. I dont agree with it, but its shes not just an identity-politics person, shes got a consistent left-wing economic view that has a lot of support in the country.
Warren doesnt have Clintons ethical baggage, she wouldnt have had an eleventh-hour Comey letter scrambling voters calculations, and she very probably wouldnt have neglected making her populist pitch to voters in places like, oh, say, Wisconsin. Liberals turned off by Hillarys coziness with Wall Street would have loved her; working-class whites might not have loved her, but they surely would have respected her as a more authentic populist than Clinton was. Would that have been enough to keep Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin blue? Maybe not. But its hard to see how Warren as nominee would have made it worse.
David Harsanyi agrees with Hugh Hewitt in the clip in thinking that Warren as the face of the Democratic Party would be a gift to the GOP shes ideologically radical, she lacks Obamas charisma, etc but he admits that its no longer so easy to tell what voters might or might not find acceptable in a president after the Trump revolution:
The real question is would Warrens left-populism play on the electoral map Trump has rejiggered? Is her protectionist trade rhetoric enough to win over white-working class voters in Pennsylvania coal country even though she rails against fossil fuels and cheap energy? Would a lawyer who built a political career growing bureaucracies and pushing regulatory burdens on Americans be popular with rural workers in Ohio? Is it possible that someone who believes Obamacare didnt exert enough government control over the health-care system going to run strong in a general election campaign in suburban Indiana? Moreover, can a Northeasterner with extreme social views bring working-class Missourians home to Democrats? Liberals from Massachusetts, after all, are still 0-3 (here, here, here) over the past 50 years. And Warren is farther Left than any of them, by a mile.
I use a lot of question marks in the above paragraph because 2016 taught me that the American electorate is volatile and angry, and coastal elites should never make assumptions about its temperament. Still, its fair to say at this point and a lot can change under Trumps leadership the answer to most of these questions seems to be Unlikely.
Unlikely, but then maybe not as unlikely as President Donald Trump. Whats striking about the exchange between Carlson and Hewitt is Hugh analyzing Warrens chances through a very traditional, even arguably outdated, prism of America being a center-right country that would never tolerate a censorious left-wing law professor as president. (Or rather, not another one so soon after Obama.) Shes too radical, shes too far-left, shes a new McGovern, etc. Carlson is entirely right to be skeptical of that frame, I think. The point has been made endlessly in political commentary since the election, with some merit, that left and right may not be as useful in deciphering American politics as they used to be. The right-wing president favors protectionism, warm relations with Russia, massive infrastructure spending, and health care for everyone. His political brand is populism and nationalism far more than it is conservatism or center-right. If in four years blue-collar voters havent seen the sort of economic gains under Trump that they were expecting, why wouldnt they give a hard look to an authentic left-wing populist like Warren? Plenty of blue-collar whites voted for Obama in 2012 despite his liberal cultural affinities because they were convinced that he was more in tune with their problems than Romney was. They werent a majority, to be sure, but they were enough to hand Obama a second term in office. If Warren can claw back some of those voters by preaching single-payer health care and more aggressive redistribution, why wouldnt she stand a chance against Trump if his first term is disappointing? And even if you think shed be a weak nominee, why would she be any weaker than Cory Booker, say, or Kirsten Gillibrand or Kamala Harris? The Democratic bench is thin right now. Warren may be their heaviest hitter even if shes not a heavy hitter per se.
The great question mark with Warren is how shed play nationally as a retail politician, especially pitted against an ostentatious alpha male like Trump. Yesterday I said that she comes across as an angry librarian (whereas Trump usually comes across as a blowhard uncle who got rich selling cars). Will Rust Belt voters accept someone like her in the role of commander-in-chief, even if they prefer her brand of populism on the merits? For that matter, did Hillarys gender lead any voters to hesitate last year in putting her in charge of the military, knowing that Trump, whatever his other faults might be, would at least be eager not to let America lose face vis-a-vis enemy states? You can dismiss all of that as sexist and improper and irrelevant in a better world if you like, but rest assured that Democrats will be thinking about it after the midterms. American voters like strength in their president, and Trump spends a lot of energy trying to project it. Maybe Warrens ideological fervor will be received the same way, but if it isnt, all the share-the-wealth rhetoric in the world might not be able to save her.
Warren doesnt have Clintons ethical baggage?
She is a crook like Clinton, just not as big a crook.
She won’t even be the 2020 nominee.
But! But, she has high cheek bones.
I bet she’s kicking herself that she didn’t run.
But who knew Hillary would literally fall down in disgrace?
NO WAY! SHE VERY UNPOPULAR in her home state!
Tucker’s good at debating lefties, but that doesn’t mean his political instincts are worth anything.
I love the Tuck but he be wrong.
Maybe Tucker is playing the Dems hoping for kooky Lieawatha is the 2020 Dem candidate.
But! But, she has high cheek bones.
...so do wild boars
There is so much about her to make fun of. Trump would have had a field day.
Well if Warren had run, might have been possible that she won, the demodummies are just as daffy as she is. Safety in numbers.
Like Obama, Warren is an academic turned senator who has done nothing but run her mouth. But I guess that appeals to a certain type.
I think what he is really sayinmgis that the dims are that crazy.
And maybe that 50% of the voters are that crazy.
So be afraid.
If the stupid GOPe will let Trump do his thing, we will see such prosperity that Warren will be laughed at.
If the GOPe keeps Trump from doing his economic thing, the crazies will run her or someone like her.
But if Tucker and Hugh ( who is not on my hit parade BTW ) might unconsciously be playing "Herb Adams" the 1980 Hockey Coach of the US Olympic team, as he told his guys, I don't about these Russians, I think they are beatable. etc etc. He was planting seeds to their success.
If they plant a seed that she thinks it's hers and she keeps yapping for the next 2 years and makes the DNC and her career even more of a mess, brilliant! smashing!
Tuckers good at debating lefties, but that doesnt mean his political instincts are worth anything.
If his political instincts were not worth anything, he wouldn’t be good at cleaning liberals’ clocks.
In this case he is expressing an opinion, not debating.
It is possible but I doubt it. I think that Trump would have torched her daily and she would have melted down is the most likely outcome. It was pretty funny the few times he did make fun of her.
I think Tucker is correct. I always thought she was scary. Anyone who doesn’t think the dem voters a crazy and powerful has been high for the past eight years
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