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Ex-Aide: Powell Misled Americans
CBS News ^ | 10/13/03

Posted on 10/15/2003 6:38:28 AM PDT by areafiftyone

(CBS) The person responsible for analyzing the Iraqi weapons threat for Colin Powell says the Secretary of State misinformed Americans during his speech at the U.N. last winter.

Greg Thielmann tells Correspondent Scott Pelley that at the time of Powell’s speech, Iraq didn’t pose an imminent threat to anyone – not even its own neighbors. “…I think my conclusion [about Powell’s speech] now is that it’s probably one of the low points in his long distinguished service to the nation,” says Thielmann.

Pelley’s report will be broadcast on 60 Minutes II, Wednesday, Oct. 15 at 8 p.m. ET/PT.

Thielmann also tells Pelley that he believes the decision to go to war was made first and then the intelligence was interpreted to fit that conclusion. “…The main problem was that the senior administration officials have what I call faith-based intelligence,” says Thielmann.

“They knew what they wanted the intelligence to show. They were really blind and deaf to any kind of countervailing information the intelligence community would produce. I would assign some blame to the intelligence community and most of the blame to the senior administration officials.”

Steve Allinson and a dozen other U.N. inspectors in Iraq also watched Powell’s speech. “Various people would laugh at various times [during Powell’s speech] because the information he was presenting was just, you know, didn't mean anything -- had no meaning,” says Allinson.

Pelley asks, “When the Secretary finished the speech, you and the other inspectors turned to each other and said what?” Allinson responds, “’They have nothing.’”

Allinson gives Pelley several examples of why he believes Iraq didn’t have weapons of mass destruction. One time, he was sent to find decontamination vehicles that turned out to be fire trucks. Another time, a satellite spotted what they thought were trucks used for biological weapons.

“We were told we were going to the site to look for refrigerated trucks specifically linked to biological agents,” Allinson tells Pelley. “…We found seven or eight [trucks], I think, in total, and they had cobwebs in them. Some samples were taken and nothing was found.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allinson; antiwar; clintonholdovers; gregthielmann; iraq; steveallinson; stevenallinson; thielman
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To: borkrules
I am trying to find out more info on this guy.
21 posted on 10/15/2003 6:55:28 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrat candidates = The wheel is still spinning but the hamster's dead)
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To: All
"John Galt" might benefit from actually reading Ayn Rand.
22 posted on 10/15/2003 6:56:00 AM PDT by zook
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To: gunnedah
This guy has an agenda. I just have this gut feeling that alot of these state department people were put in here during the Clinton administration and have their own agenda to bring down the Bush administration.
23 posted on 10/15/2003 6:59:29 AM PDT by areafiftyone (When the Democrat Candidates talk its like the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: JohnGalt
What do you score on reading comprehension tests?
24 posted on 10/15/2003 7:00:38 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: areafiftyone
And!....ONE.......MORE......TIME.......! President Bush said he wanted to stop Iraq """"BEFORE"""" the threat was imminent.

No wonder the State Department needs to be replaced with Defense department people.
25 posted on 10/15/2003 7:02:46 AM PDT by ampat
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To: JohnGalt
Funny thing about hate. It gets you most of the way there, but you have to fall the rest of the way all by yourself.
26 posted on 10/15/2003 7:05:02 AM PDT by snooker
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To: borkrules
Yup, I guess Colin Powell's decision not to weed out the RATS in the State Dept. after he was sworn in, was a big mistake, because the nominations Clinton made to any Federal Positions were people who were placed there to serve him and not the country
27 posted on 10/15/2003 7:05:52 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: tsmith130
"You had access to the full panoply of U.S. intelligence?

Yes. "

BS. The State Department is ROUTINELY "cut out of the loop" by the intelligence agencies because of schmucks like this guy.

The reports he sees are of the Wilson sort, ambassadors and their flunkies working the cocktail circuit.
28 posted on 10/15/2003 7:05:55 AM PDT by IGOTMINE (He needed killin')
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To: borkrules; All
Until September last year, Greg Thielmann was head of the proliferation section at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, the INR.

Looks like this guy was hitting the Guardian and the Australian papers first in June and July and now is hitting the U.S. papers.

29 posted on 10/15/2003 7:06:21 AM PDT by areafiftyone (When the Democrat Candidates talk its like the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: borkrules
Greg Thielmann is a career State Department employee who retired in Sept. 2002. Since then he's made a career of bashing the Bush administration in magazines like Newsweek and in an interview with Bill Moyers, as far back as June. This "imminent threat" accusation of his showed up as early as July.

Nothing new here....

30 posted on 10/15/2003 7:06:29 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: JohnGalt
We should have waited until Saddam's mad scientists actual built a dirty bomb, sold it to the terrorists and then have them detonate it in Boston. Then we would have had good reason to take Saddam out. Right.
31 posted on 10/15/2003 7:06:59 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: finnman69
Isn't Greg Thielmann thinking above his pay scale?
32 posted on 10/15/2003 7:09:26 AM PDT by COURAGE
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To: Reagan Man
I guess I don't fear cave dwellers like the rest of this thread.


That said, it was Condi and Powell who insisisted on this WMD angle as cause for war which has undermined this President's administration.

Saddam's Iraq was a logical place to sack to send a message to other Arab Republics to clean up their own homes, but this WMD angle has been a disaster that has undermined this Administration's case for war.

33 posted on 10/15/2003 7:10:51 AM PDT by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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To: snooker
LOL

The gubmint teach you that line in Sensitivity Training?
34 posted on 10/15/2003 7:11:38 AM PDT by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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To: JohnGalt; All
Kay found strong evidence of active programs that could produce WMD's in a short period of time. Kay also points out that only 10% of Iraq's weapons storage areas have been inspected due to the total size of all these sites. Virtually all US political leaders in both parties - and most major world leaders - agreed that Iraq had these weapons.

What part of rational thought and decision making do you not understand?
35 posted on 10/15/2003 7:13:33 AM PDT by zook
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To: areafiftyone
http://www.powerlineblog.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&entry_id=4012

Associated Press Serves Democrats' Agenda

We posted yesterday on the declassification of the CIA's October 2002 assessment of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capability. We won't repeat the extensive quotes from the CIA's report, but suffice it to say that the report, representing a consensus of all of the intelligence agencies, clearly indicated that Iraq was trying to reconstitute its nuclear program and, if it were able to obtain fissionable material, could develop a nuclear bomb in a year or less.

The CIA's report should have put to rest the claim that the Administration somehow twisted the data provided by the intelligence agencies to make a case for war against Saddam Hussein. Put aside for a moment whether the intelligence was correct or not. The information in the CIA report is what was given to the Administration, and it was correctly characterized by President Bush and other Administration officials in their public communications. And it was acted upon by President Bush when he decided to liberate Iraq.

The Associated Press was once viewed as a reasonably neutral news agency. It is now an agent of the Democratic Party, and its reporters are among the most influential, and the most biased, in American journalism. Its dispatches appear in hundreds of American newspapers. They are therefore worth scrutinizing carefully. Naturally, as soon as the Administration declassified the CIA report on Iraq's weapons programs, the Associated Press set out to neutralize the impact of the report.

This article is typical: "Iraq Evidence Was Thin, Nuke Experts Say". In this article, by John J. Lumpkin and Dafna Linzer, the AP asserted that the evidence in the CIA report did not support the claim that Iraq was pursuing nuclear weapons. The AP cited exactly two "experts" for the proposition that the CIA's evidence was "thin": Greg Thielmann and Andrew Wilkie.

You are probably aware of Mr. Thielmann. A former Democratic Party activist and State Department official, he has become a principal spokesman for the anti-Bush forces in the press and the Democratic Party. Since he retired from the State Department, he has spent essentially all of his time giving interviews in which he denounces the President and the Iraq war. He has been quoted in virtually every newspaper, and certainly every news magazine, in America. Yet his reliability is never questioned; he is always cited as a neutral, senior statesman who is entitled to pass judgment on the President, the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense.

For a typical sample of Thielmann's point of view, here is his interview with left-winger Bill Moyers on PBS last month. Note in particular this statement, in which Thielmann purports to speak for the intelligence community: "The intelligence community as a whole in our considered wording and advice did not give the President the impression that there was an imminent threat....Our judgment was that Iraq had not reconstituted its nuclear weapons program in the sense that that's generally understood." So says Mr. Thielmann. But consider what the consensus evaluation of October 2002 actually told President Bush: "More than ten years of sanctions and the loss of much of Iraq's physical nuclear infrastructure under IAEA oversight have not diminished Saddam's interest in acquiring or developing nuclear weapons....Iraq's efforts to procure tens of thousands of proscribed high-strength aluminum tubes are of significant concern. All intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons and that these tubes could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program. Most intelligence specialists assess this to be the intended use....

"Before its departure from Iraq, the IAEA made significant strides toward dismantling Iraq's nuclear weapons program and unearthing the nature and scope of Iraq's past nuclear activities. In the absence of inspections, however, most analysts assess that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear program—unraveling the IAEA's hard-earned accomplishments." So Thielmann misrepresented the consensus of intelligence analysts.

Note also that the standard Thielmann applies--whether there is an "imminent threat"--has repeatedly been disavowed by the Administration, which says that a threat may need to be defused long before it can be proved to be "imminent." In fact, Administration spokesmen never said that the threat from Iraq was "imminent," nor have they ever said or implied that Iraq possessed nuclear weapons.

36 posted on 10/15/2003 7:14:36 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: JohnGalt
Powell and Rice should resign, that is if either is at all honorable.

I bet you are a Scott Ritter fan too...maybe Benedict Arnold?

37 posted on 10/15/2003 7:15:34 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: JohnGalt
.... this WMD angle has been a disaster that has undermined this Administration's case for war.

According to those who wish the administration political harm and ill will. Like the Demlibs and rightwing fringers with an ideological bone to pick. 12 years of brazen arrogance was enough from Saddam. There was ample evidence and good reason to take Saddam out, once and for all.

You're either with us, or against us.

38 posted on 10/15/2003 7:16:22 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: areafiftyone
Former aide to Democrat congressman John Culver.

williammckinley.blogspot.com

39 posted on 10/15/2003 7:18:05 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: MJY1288
Where were all these people when the democrats were spouting the Iraq/WMD threat during the clinton misadministration?
40 posted on 10/15/2003 7:18:34 AM PDT by MamaLucci ( Clinton met with Monica more than he did his CIA director.)
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