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Unknown Bios Password Blocking Boot-up
October 20 | Doc Savage

Posted on 10/20/2003 8:48:04 AM PDT by Doc Savage

Can anyone tell me how to delete or bypass a forgotten bios password which blocks my CPU from booting.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: computer
I am trying to boot-up an old Gateway ATX tower that my daughter used in college years ago. It starts the boot-up and then hits a Password prompt with 3 choices. I've asked her to try and remember but to no avail.

Gateway said to move a jumper on the motherboard over 1 pin and it would prompt to cancel all bios passwords,but I couldn't get it to work. Any suggestions?

1 posted on 10/20/2003 8:48:05 AM PDT by Doc Savage
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To: Doc Savage
Remove the CMOS battery and or the Jumpers on the motherboard for about 1 hour. That should clear the BIOS password
2 posted on 10/20/2003 8:49:59 AM PDT by Nat Turner
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To: Doc Savage
The jumper trick is the only thing you are going to be able to do. Have GW fax you the mobo manual with a step by step walkthrough.

Try putting the jumper back after you boot with it on the "Reset" setting...
3 posted on 10/20/2003 8:51:31 AM PDT by max_rpf
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To: Doc Savage
If you got win9x, you can try this if you dont want to open your pc:

Restart your computer in MS-DOS mode.


When you get to the C:\> or C:\WINDOWS> prompt, type DEBUG and press Enter.


A hyphen (-) prompt will appear waiting for you to enter commands.


Enter the following commands, pressing Enter after each one. Note: the o is the letter o and stands for OUTPUT.


o 70 2e


o 71 ff


q


After the q command (which stands for QUIT), enter Exit.


Then try to enter your BIOS at bootup. The password prompt should now be gone. you should now have full access to it again. However, you will now be at the default BIOS setttings and may want to change them to your preference. You may also want to have your drives autodetected again.
5 posted on 10/20/2003 8:57:12 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: stevenprice; tech
There is allot of tech help info on FR, and it is okay with the site owner. In fact there are tech bump lists you can access to find out some good info.

Oh. And welcome to FR.
6 posted on 10/20/2003 8:58:41 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Doc Savage
You may not need the manual. Open it up and look on the motherboard for a jumper labeled "password". Take out the jumper, start your computer. Turn off your computer, put the jumper back, and start the computer again. This should do it.
7 posted on 10/20/2003 8:59:33 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; stevenprice
Oh. And welcome to FR.

Steven, simply translated the above phrase means, "newbie, please sit in the corner and learn some manners before posting."

8 posted on 10/20/2003 9:02:54 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: stevenprice
You are kind of obnoxious for a newbie. Or are you a retread?
9 posted on 10/20/2003 9:03:23 AM PDT by BullDog108 (KNOW YOUR ENEMY! http://bvml.org/webmaster/enemy.html)
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To: stevenprice
Welcome to FR...
10 posted on 10/20/2003 9:05:06 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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To: Doc Savage
Often you have to leave the jumper in the reset position for at least a minute. Try giving it a little time, put it back in the correct spot and re-boot.
11 posted on 10/20/2003 9:07:55 AM PDT by Redcloak (I was going to write something clever here.)
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To: stevenprice
Pretty snippy for a newbie.
12 posted on 10/20/2003 9:08:04 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Doc Savage
It starts the boot-up and then hits a Password prompt with 3 choices.

This may be a dumb question, but are you sure this is the BIOS requesting a password? On every system I've ever seen, the only time you have to enter a BIOS password is when you're actually trying to enter the BIOS to make changes, and someone has set a password to prevent unauthorized changes.
13 posted on 10/20/2003 9:09:13 AM PDT by SpellingTroll
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To: Doc Savage
Can anyone tell me how to delete or bypass a forgotten bios password which blocks my CPU from booting.

Rip out the battery and let it sit for a few minutes for the charge to fully drain from the system. then plug it back in and all of your settings will be restored to the default from the factory.

14 posted on 10/20/2003 9:10:20 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: Doc Savage
You may be able to flash the bios. This worked for me once in a similar situation. Or if you have access to a similar motherboard pop the bios chip and swap it onto the old board. Be careful with this.
15 posted on 10/20/2003 9:10:29 AM PDT by devnull ()()
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To: stevenprice
What? You some kind of nut. Thinking posters should follow this sites posted guidlines on vanities.
16 posted on 10/20/2003 9:10:44 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: stevenprice
Three days here and you're already calling the shots??
17 posted on 10/20/2003 9:12:58 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................God Bless and Keep Terri.....................)
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To: stevenprice
Then access the internet and find a forum for your problem solving which is not FR.

I know the admin moderator, and you are no admin moderator.

18 posted on 10/20/2003 9:15:49 AM PDT by McGruff (Just waiting to hear Rush's voice back on the golden EIB microphone.)
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To: stevenprice
FR has some great tech help. A little over a year ago some FReepers helped me crack an Excel spreadsheet password and saved me $Hundreds in lost time - which was reflected in the fund-raiser back then, BTW ;-)
19 posted on 10/20/2003 9:16:12 AM PDT by adaven (+++ ATH0)
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To: Doc Savage
Dealt with this plenty of times in an old job. The previous suggestions for removing the CMOS battery and removing the correct jumper are the only way to clear a CMOS password.

You won't harm the mobo by removing the battery but ONLY removing the battery may clear the password. It could be that the battery you find is a NiCad rechargeable and can't be removed easily. In that case, starting the machine with the correct jumper removed is the way.

If you are uncertain WHICH jumper, an alternative to contacting Gateway would be to locate any identifying ID numbers on the motherboard - usually silkscreened in larger print than all other symbols you will find there. Put that number into a search engine and see if a manual is available on the Motherboard manufacturer's website. Gateway didn't make it's own system boards and yours could be from any number of manufacturers including FIC, Biostar, Abit, Asus.......The manufacturer's name may even be in the board.

good luck

20 posted on 10/20/2003 9:16:56 AM PDT by Range Rover (Karma is a boomerang...)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
That was a lot better than my suggestion, which would have been "FORMAT C\:"
21 posted on 10/20/2003 9:20:03 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Skooz
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22 posted on 10/20/2003 9:22:38 AM PDT by metalboy (Liberals-Nuke `em from orbit. It`s the only way to be sure.)
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To: SpellingTroll
This may be a dumb question, but are you sure this is the BIOS requesting a password? On every system I've ever seen, the only time you have to enter a BIOS password is when you're actually trying to enter the BIOS to make changes, and someone has set a password to prevent unauthorized changes.

Not a dumb question, but probably not relevant here. The motherboards I'm familiar with have separate passwords for boot and bios update.99.9 percent of everyone has never seen password protection on the motherboard. I first encountered it when building a machine for my son at college. He had seen kids screw with each other's machines and didn't want anyone messing with his.

Of course kids know the jumper pin trick, so you also have to have a strong case with a good lock. Some motherboards also detect when the case has been opened and display a warning.

23 posted on 10/20/2003 9:24:34 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
You know I havent tried that debug from dos to reset it, but now not sure it would work; how would you get to dos?
24 posted on 10/20/2003 9:36:09 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Maybe a safe mode boot?
25 posted on 10/20/2003 9:40:49 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: stevenprice
stevenprice
Since Oct 17, 2003
26 posted on 10/20/2003 9:41:34 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Liberalism - Better Living through Histrionics )
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To: Range Rover
Actually, when I remove the battery, I usually short the battery posts for a few seconds. That always has cleared it for me, sometimes it's not an easy task to find the regular cmos short jumpers. You end up spending half an hour downloading a PDF copy of the manual (if you can even find it)
27 posted on 10/20/2003 9:43:38 AM PDT by djf
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To: SpellingTroll
On every system I've ever seen, the only time you have to enter a BIOS password is when you're actually trying to enter the BIOS to make changes, and someone has set a password to prevent unauthorized changes.

Not a dumb question, but it's not a situation most people encounter. A lot of systems have an option for a BIOS-based boot password that requires you to enter the password before the computer will boot, as this one is. You see it most often on corporate-type desktops - e.g., IBM - although it's generally not enabled by default. Next time you're poking around in your CMOS settings, see if your machine has such an option - you might be surprised. Just try not to forget the password if you enable it ;)

28 posted on 10/20/2003 9:43:47 AM PDT by general_re ("I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away.")
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To: Range Rover
The previous suggestions for removing the CMOS battery and removing the correct jumper are the only way to clear a CMOS password.

Not the only way - as long as it's socketed and not soldered to the mobo, you can always yank the BIOS chip and replace it with a new one in a pinch. Most mobo manufacturers will happily sell you a replacement, and it's not even that expensive - $20 or so, typically.

29 posted on 10/20/2003 9:54:52 AM PDT by general_re ("I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away.")
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I think you misunderstood the problem: He can't get as far as booting into any mode (DOS, safe, full, whatever) because the BIOS password won't let him. A BIOS password, if set, prevents a system from booting until the correct password has been entered.

The advice to open the appropriate jumper on the motherboard is the best way to fix this problem. Removing the CMOS battery will work, but it will also reset the configuration parameters in the BIOS, returning them to their factory defaults. If those have not been written down somewhere (which seems unlikely in this case), then rediscovering what they were, so as to make the system behave as it is expected to, could be an interesting exercise.

Replacing the BIOS chip would also work, as an "if all else fails" option.

30 posted on 10/20/2003 10:12:12 AM PDT by derlauerer (The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice-versa.)
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To: SpellingTroll
This may be a dumb question, but are you sure this is the BIOS requesting a password? On every system I've ever seen, the only time you have to enter a BIOS password is when you're actually trying to enter the BIOS to make changes, and someone has set a password to prevent unauthorized changes.

This is not a dumb question but you are talking about Gateway here. I have two of them and you can set up the BIOS to ask for the password as soon as you turn on the computer. Gateway sometimes doesn't make it easy to customize a computer... (sigh).

31 posted on 10/20/2003 10:40:07 AM PDT by John123 (The Governator is gonna do some butt kicking in Sacramento. Coming soon to a theater nearby you.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
That was a lot better than my suggestion, which would have been "FORMAT C\:"

Your idea wouldn't work at all because the BIOS password is stored in the motherboard, not the HD. :)

32 posted on 10/20/2003 10:43:49 AM PDT by John123 (The Governator is gonna do some butt kicking in Sacramento. Coming soon to a theater nearby you.)
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To: stevenprice
He isn't disrupting the site. He's also a do-it-yourselfer. No telling what he would run into at the computer repair shop; they're getting as bad as auto repair shops.

It's a simple question. No big deal, really.
34 posted on 10/20/2003 1:24:56 PM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: stevenprice
No tomato paste for me. I use mostly chopped green chilies. In the big can. Also some chopped tomatoes.

Also, never use the store chili powder.

36 posted on 10/20/2003 2:02:38 PM PDT by Recluse
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To: Doc Savage
Should've bought a Mac.
37 posted on 10/20/2003 2:05:37 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: Recluse
Needs more anchovies.
38 posted on 10/20/2003 3:48:00 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................God Bless and Keep Terri.....................)
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To: general_re
Good point. Haven't ever had to swap one out. I imagine that my machine's life cycle has been short enough to avoid it (or I've just been lucky).
39 posted on 10/21/2003 8:54:59 AM PDT by Range Rover (Karma is a boomerang...)
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To: Range Rover
It doesn't happen very often that you really need to replace one - any power spike that's large enough to fry the BIOS is large enough to fry everything else on the mobo as well, so there's not much point in trying to resurrect the BIOS in those cases. Mostly, I think they get blown the way I blew mine - user error. In my case, thinking about what I was going to be doing next, instead of paying attention to the thing I was soldering at the moment ;)
40 posted on 10/21/2003 9:09:32 AM PDT by general_re ("I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away.")
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To: Doc Savage; jimrob

Old question Thread I was hunting for... Bookmarked... and as always, great advice... I wish JimRob would let us open a Teck vaninty section for just such questions as these.


41 posted on 04/28/2005 4:50:14 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: ShadowAce

tech ping....


42 posted on 04/28/2005 4:51:10 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: SpellingTroll

It's a BIOS password, all right. A BIOS password prevents you from even getting to Windows.

I had to put a BIOS password block on an employee's PC the day we were firing her. She couldn't get the PC past the DOS bootup screen. (This was the same woman who, confronted with the results of the keystroke monitor we installed on her PC, denied that was her sitting there. In an office of 18 people.)


43 posted on 04/28/2005 4:53:37 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I dare you to make less sense.)
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To: Doc Savage
NEVER ever password the BIOS. If you forget it, you have a useless expensive paperweight. You can password Windows but don't lock down your machine's hardware!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 04/28/2005 4:53:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I just bought my boss's old computer for my kids (ages 5 and 3).. I has one of these durn password question at every startup. I know the password but dang if I like having to type it all the time and my kid can barely spell much less type. So I just found this program called " ctbios15 "...

This small program (88kb) called " ctbios15 " It is suppost to show the bio passwords... Anyone ever tried it.. What do I do to disable the bio password process altogether?

45 posted on 04/28/2005 4:59:54 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: LowOiL

So i was reading this blog about bios password problems. So I need to either take bios battery out for a hour, pull a jumper, or download some software thatshows bios password?
A reply would be awesome guys. Thank you


46 posted on 07/21/2007 11:05:59 PM PDT by maskerman3000
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To: Doc Savage

After I closed my office of 7 years and moved the billing computer to my home, I learned that the factory ID and password “password” and “root” were still in place, thanks to the people I’d bought the hardware and software from.

Have you tried those?


47 posted on 07/21/2007 11:12:42 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://ccgoporg.blogspot.com/)
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To: Doc Savage

I’m asumming this will work as it did on Gateway Essential 500.
MESSED UP HITTING BUG BEFORE THROUGH and had to start over. TAKE jumper off then turn on let cycle 2 times throughbeeb code then while computer is still on put jumper back on in set up position ( pins 2 & 3 ) or the middlel pin and the one farthset away from pin marked by an arrow. Once pins are back on turn off then back on. Pop up comes on asking to clear all codes did so and then went into bios and reset. Pop up came on and said to turn off and put jumber on in normal position after turning off. did so and it worked no more pasword or system disabled messeages. This was on a Gate way Essentiual 500 model serial number 0017494275


48 posted on 01/01/2010 2:44:43 PM PST by mrfuzzyfacewarewolf (VISIT YOUR LOCAL VFW HALL AND SUPPORT ALL VETREANS)
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