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Statement by Jim Robinson Regarding the State of our Free Republic
October 20, 2003 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/20/2003 4:53:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 10/20/2003 8:39:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I happen to believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton were the worst presidents in our nation's history. Corruption, government abuse, treason and daily scandal were the norm under their rule. Bill is a useful idiot who can't keep his mouth shut or his zipper up and Hillary is an America hating godless communist power monger. These are my personal opinions.

Bill and Hillary Clinton and their minions still wield a tremendous amount of power and influence over the Democrat Party, the socialist movement and the national press. Their goals are to completely eliminate our rights to free speech, free religion, freedom to keep and bear arms, etc., and these are just for starters.

I believe the overall goal of their movement is to completely do away with the U.S. Constitution and in its place, install socialist/totalitarian rule over America. Furthermore, I believe they wish to do away with our national sovereignty altogether and subject America to domination by the U.N. and other world bodies.

Now you may call me a nutcase if you wish, but that's the way I see it. I believe that in the last century, FDR, LBJ, RMN, Carter, Clinton, et al, successfully introduced many socialist programs into our government and our way of life and with the help of the media and atheist institutions like the ACLU began systematically destroying the fabric of our society. In the process, they've moved both of our major political parties way over to the left. They (the liberals/marxists/socialists) have almost completely taken over all of our government institutions and agencies, the judiciary, the press, the Universities, our education systems, our charities, even our churches.

I believe that as long as Bill and Hillary Clinton and their like minded socialist minions have any influence or power over the government or either of the two major political parties, our nation and all of our freedoms are in extreme danger.

Free Republic was created in 1996 as a place where liberty-minded individuals could gather and share the news and discuss the Clinton scandals and other government abuses. I had hoped that the truth of the Clinton corruption would come out in time to prevent his re-election in 1996. Didn't happen. So we moved on. If we couldn't block his re-election, well, perhaps we could help with his impeachment. He was impeached, but we could not remove him.

So next, we decide to do all in our power to ensure that his second in command does not get to the Whitehouse. Even though GWB was not my first choice, once he won the Republican nomination, most of us rallied behind him and fought like the dickens to get him elected. Then we fought again to block the attempted Gore coup d'etat. Our Free Republic chapters mobilized all across the nation and there were thousands of rallies and protests in hundreds of cities objecting loudly to Gore's attempted takeover.

Then we all thanked God when Bush was finally declared the winner and off to Washington we went to celebrate at the Free Republic George W. Bush Inaugural Ball (I).

Then we all thank God again when after the cowardly attack on our nation by a gang of murderous international terrorists we realize how close we were to complete collapse and national destruction had the socialist U.N. loving Al Gore been in charge. Thank God for President Bush!

And I haven't even mentioned how evil I truly believe the official Democrat Party platform is. Here's a partial laundry list of what the Democrat Party supports and promotes: abortion; homosexuality; feminaziism; environmentalism; government control over every aspect of our lives and society; socialized health care; disarmament of the American people; subjugation of the U.S. to the U.N.; the complete elimination of our national sovereignty; complete destruction of our basic traditional family unit; loss of personal freedoms and individual liberty. In other words, complete destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights and our American way of life.

I came to the conclusion several years ago that there is no way this republic can survive if we allow the Democrat Party to maintain control over our government and other institutions. If America is to survive as we know it, Bill and Hillary Clinton and all the current democrat/socialist power mongers who share their philosophy and visions for a socialist America and socialist world must be soundly rejected and defeated at the polls.

And not just at the presidential level. They must be rejected and removed from both houses of Congress and from our State houses and local legislatures. For example, if we cannot remove them from the Senate, then there is no hope for reestablishing a judiciary built on the original intent of the Constitution and the rule-of-law. The liberals and socialists must be rooted out of our congress and our judiciary. Our free republic, our freedom and even liberty itself depends on it.

Just my humble opinion and why I act the way I do. I see the Democrat Party as domestic enemy number one of the Constitution and therefor it is my sworn enemy. And, in my eyes, anyone who helps to elect members of the Democrat party are aiding and abetting the enemy.

Futhermore, I believe wholeheartedly in the original intent of our Founding Fathers and in the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

God gave us these unalienable rights and they can never be taken from us by man or government. And we are ALL to be treated justly and equally under the law.

"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Yes, the Founders established a government and set forth the plan for us to govern ourselves.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

The government has become destructive to these ends. One of the main purposes of our government is to defend, preserve and protect our liberty. It has been doing just the opposite. Therefore, it is our right and duty to alter or abolish it. I propose doing so by destroying enemy number one of the Constitution, the corrupt socialist Democrat Party.


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To: Jim Robinson
The Democrat leadship are Marxists and our greatest domestic threat!
1,101 posted on 10/21/2003 2:41:03 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Liberal = Socialist = Communist)
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To: Madame de Winter
Madame de Winter serves the Cardinal, whom do you serve???

I serve Jesus Christ, and those whom He calls me to serve.

1,102 posted on 10/21/2003 2:43:14 PM PDT by VRWCmember (We apologise for the fault in the taglines. Those responsible have been sacked.)
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To: Madame de Winter
Consensus and compromise, are part of checks and balances. There is no capitualation in compromise. When you argue whith your spouse or family member do you try and destroy their position? Or do listen and reach an understanding?

More word games? If we are talking about my spouse or family that is one thing; if we are talking about the democrats that is another thing altogether. My spouse is honorable and willing to work out our differences when we do not agree. The democrats do not even make a pretense of honor or willingness to work out differences.

For example, the democrats -- when clinton was president and the GOP controlled the senate -- complained about the republicans blocking a couple of clinton's judicial appointees saying that the nominees deserved a full hearing and an up and down vote in the senate. Then, when they had the majority briefly during GWB's presidency, they cajoled and stonewalled and blocked several nominees even though the nominees were all rated as "highly qualified" by the usually liberal leaning American Bar Association (the democrats' proclaimed gold standard for nominees). The nominees would have easily passed confirmation before the full senate but the democrats on the committee blocked the nominees. Then, when they lost their majority and the republicans approved the nominees out of committee, and even though the nominees are HIGHLY QUALIFIED and have bipartisan support and would EASILY win confirmation, the democrats stonewall and filibuster the nominees but refuse to debate and question the nominees, all while claiming the nominees haven't been open enough or they haven't had adequate time to review them. The are completely devoid of honor and the only "compromise" they will accept is total captitulation of the President's constitutional authority to nominate judges to their prior approval.

There is no compromise or consensus with such tyrants who abuse a senate procedural rule to thwart the clear will of the majority.

1,104 posted on 10/21/2003 2:54:26 PM PDT by VRWCmember (We apologise for the fault in the taglines. Those responsible have been sacked.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Here, here!!!

We are on the exact same page. Liberals, Socialists, Marxists, all control freaks, who can't stand individual liberty.

I abhore them, and will do whatever I can to defeat them.

Thank God for Bush.
1,105 posted on 10/21/2003 3:22:54 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Please become a monthly donor!!! Just $3 a month--you won't miss it, and will feel proud!)
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To: Jim Robinson
While I agree with what you have said, I offer that there is more to the problem. The republican party is not without fault in what has developed - spending has increased and freedoms have decreased under their watch also.

Therefore, the most serious problem is the corruption of our whole political system - it has been corrupted by MONEY, the "mother's milk of politics". Special interest money has gotten so out of hand that it will take more than the meager legislative possibilities so far proposed.

It will take a major change in the dynamics of our election law to correct this problem. The best thing I have heard is the idea that no money can be contributed to a candidate by anyone who cannot vote for that candidate - and then put a reasonable limit on contributions (like a certain % of income). That eliminates contributions from organizations: unions, corporations, PACs, etc. It also eliminates much of the structure of corruption and it keeps the local elections local.

There would still be the problem of soft money and that would require some good regulation to keep it appropriate and under control but that could be done.

Thank you for Free Republic - you have done a great service.

1,106 posted on 10/21/2003 3:29:50 PM PDT by Semper
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To: tpaine; Sabertooth
Hey, you didn't include my last reply to him. If you're going to be fair about it, then critique the whole exchange, not just part of it.

Here's a link to my last reply to him.

But on to other business:
a site that loudly proclaims itself for liberty, but then asserts that a website can't be moderated under republican principles of personal conduct. How will we know unless we give it a try?

Since everyone is the arbiter of his own personal conduct, according to Sabertooth, it's up to the moderators and Jim to decide whether or not their conduct is in line with republican principles. Hey, I'm just following the logic that was laid out by someone else; I'm not saying that I agree with it.

But I will say it is human nature that no matter what the rules are, somebody is bound to be pissed off and feel as though they haven't been treated fairly. Switch places with Jim for a moment. Let's say as of tomorrow you were in charge and could run this place however you saw fit. Your rules, whatever they might be (I'm afraid to speculate) are fair, just and according to whatever principles you prefer, as far as you see it. Well, the result would be that a lot of people would be pissed off. They would complain, and insist on you changing your mind and doing it some other way. They would cajole, beg, plead, lay the old guilt trip on you, try some philosophical jujitsu, and when that didn't work they would accuse you of all sorts of ugly things, as well as start posting opuses announcing to the world (as if the world cared) that it is with a sad heart that they must declare publicly that you're a liar and a fraud. You, of course, might examine their proposals, but some of them would ask what you consider impossible and against your principles. And of course, you, being the self-proclaimed curmudgeon that you are, wouldn't give a flying you-know-what, because you'd be convinced that your way was the right way, and you would doggedly continue on your merry way (as you do in reality). So, if you're in Jim's place, why break in a new set of people to be pissed off by changing the rules, when you don't feel as though they need changing in the first place?

1,107 posted on 10/21/2003 3:34:20 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
wimpycat wrote:
Hey, you didn't include my last reply to him. If you're going to be fair about it, then critique the whole exchange, not just part of it.

Therefore, each of us as individuals has it in our power, whatever the context, to voluntarily avoid potential excesses of mobs and majorities by not conducting ourselves in that manner... -saber-

I personally don't see the "potential excesses of mobs and majorities" happening at FR. And if Jim doesn't see it, and since each is the arbiter of his own personal conduct, like you just said, then it is a moot point. 1,088 -wimpy-

Your 'point' was that Sabers issue about principles is a moot point. Why bother to reply to sophistry?

But on to other business:

a site that loudly proclaims itself for liberty, but then asserts that a website can't be moderated under republican principles of personal conduct. How will we know unless we give it a try?

Since everyone is the arbiter of his own personal conduct, according to Sabertooth, it's up to the moderators and Jim to decide whether or not their conduct is in line with republican principles. Hey, I'm just following the logic that was laid out by someone else; I'm not saying that I agree with it.

More sophistry. Republican principles are outlined in our constitution. They are arguable in detail, but certainly, can not reasonable people agree on their basics?

But I will say it is human nature that no matter what the rules are, somebody is bound to be pissed off and feel as though they haven't been treated fairly. Switch places with Jim for a moment. Let's say as of tomorrow you were in charge and could run this place however you saw fit. Your rules, whatever they might be (I'm afraid to speculate)

Now now, wimp, -- you just took a personal 'shot'.. While attempting to put yourself forward as a rational defender of FR's rules..

are fair, just and according to whatever principles you prefer, as far as you see it. Well, the result would be that a lot of people would be pissed off. They would complain, and insist on you changing your mind and doing it some other way. They would cajole, beg, plead, lay the old guilt trip on you, try some philosophical jujitsu, and when that didn't work they would accuse you of all sorts of ugly things, as well as start posting opuses announcing to the world (as if the world cared) that it is with a sad heart that they must declare publicly that you're a liar and a fraud. You, of course, might examine their proposals, but some of them would ask what you consider impossible and against your principles. And of course, you, being the self-proclaimed curmudgeon that you are, wouldn't give a flying you-know-what, because you'd be convinced that your way was the right way, and you would doggedly continue on your merry way (as you do in reality).

Yep, -- and strangely enough, the 'I don't give a crap' issue was just mentioned in another recent exchange here at FR.. Fancy that..

So, if you're in Jim's place, why break in a new set of people to be pissed off by changing the rules, when you don't feel as though they need changing in the first place?

Why indeed? Carry on with saying one thing & doing another.. No skin off my nose.

1,108 posted on 10/21/2003 4:24:31 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: OWK
Or how many gallons my toilet must flush.

Oh, come now my dear fellow! Surely you must realize that this is one of the few subjects about which our esteemed congressmen are uniquely qualified to legislate.

1,109 posted on 10/21/2003 4:26:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Semper
I didn't say or mean to suggest that the Republican Party is without fault. It is made up of politicians and some are more conservative than others and some may not be any better than a liberal Democrat.

However, under our current systems of governance at both federal and state levels, the party that holds the top executive position and or the majority in the legislative bodies effectively controls the agenda and controls which bills get advanced and signed into law, which judges get appointed and confirmed, which treaties get ratified, which policies are executed, etc., etc.

Majority control is much too powerful and too important to our Liberty to be entrusted to the unabashed God-hating, America-hating, family-hating, freedom-hating, constitution-hating socialist Democrat Party. They've already proven how their evil policies and corrupt methods can destroy our moral society and our once free and sovereign nation. The goals and agenda of the current Democrat Party are antithetical to freedom.

The evil platform and treasonous policies of the socialist Democrat Party must be soundly rejected by the American people if we are ever again to regain our lost freedom. And there is only one other party in America that has the strength of numbers to accomplish this task, the Republican Party.

I say we embrace and promote the Republican Party candidates in all elections nationwide to the point that the Democrats eventually lose all power to further obstruct and destroy our nation and our way of life.

And I do not advocate a one party system as some on this thread have suggested. I believe that once the evil party is soundly defeated and its leaders sent packing and its evil socialist platform of death and perversion dumped into the trash-bin of history, there will be other parties rising to the top from both sides of the political spectrum. I only hope that the more conservative parties prevail and that our constitutionally limited government and our God-given Liberty is eventually restored.

This is my ultimate goal.
1,110 posted on 10/21/2003 4:28:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Semper
By the way, I don't see anything in the Constitution that prohibits any person from supporting his candidate or party of choice with as much time, effort and or money as he possibly can or wishes to contribute. Without a constitutional amendment, the government simply does not have the authorization to interfere in campaigning or elections. I support absolutely no limits and no forced disclosure. It's none of the government's business how I support my candidates. Now, on the other hand, if a politician is caught accepting bribes or playing quid pro quo, etc., then I think he should be impeached, recalled, ejected, etc., and he and the person(s) who offered said bribes should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and incarcerated if found guilty.
1,111 posted on 10/21/2003 4:39:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: tpaine
Now now, wimp, -- you just took a personal 'shot'..

Not quite. I really don't know what your rules would be, and I'd rather not speculate, because it would most likely take the dialog off on a tangent. Besides, the whole point I was making was that it makes no difference what the rules are, somebody is going to get pissed off.

Carry on with saying one thing & doing another.. No skin off my nose.

Now that is a personal shot. Not that it matters. We were talking about how Jim is running the website, weren't we? I have nothing to do with how this place is run. I just happen to not be one of the pissed off people.

1,112 posted on 10/21/2003 4:58:12 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
You wrote:

So, if you're in Jim's place, why break in a new set of people to be pissed off by changing the rules, when you don't feel as though they need changing in the first place?

[if you're in Jim's place] -- Why indeed? Carry on with saying one thing & doing another.. No skin off my nose.

Now that is a personal shot.

Not in the context of 'Jims place' which you established.

Not that it matters. We were talking about how Jim is running the website, weren't we? I have nothing to do with how this place is run. I just happen to not be one of the pissed off people.

Whatever..

1,113 posted on 10/21/2003 5:28:08 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: tpaine
Whatever...

And on that note, we conclude what has been a relatively civil exchange. Thanks for participating.

1,114 posted on 10/21/2003 6:26:53 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Depleted Uranium? No - but I've heard it gives a good high.
1,115 posted on 10/21/2003 6:27:33 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm with you Jim. I applaud your stand and the service you've done in providing this website. I agree with you about the threat posed by the Dems, but I'm afraid the Republicans are only slowing the nation's demise, not actually reversing it. Yet, I'm no Libertarian either. You put your finger on it when you stated a need to for this country to return to the original intent of the Constitution. Amen to that.
1,116 posted on 10/21/2003 6:37:06 PM PDT by JHL
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To: Senator Pardek
No, no, no...not "Depleted Uranium". Diversity University, if you catch my drift.
1,117 posted on 10/21/2003 7:00:30 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: Kudsman
I like passion in people . Focused passion K .
1,118 posted on 10/21/2003 7:01:17 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
That's where I got my B.S. Everyone always wonders where I got that.
1,119 posted on 10/21/2003 7:03:25 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
You ought to just put that on your profile page. Then you wouldn't have to field so many inquiries. A little rainbow graphic would be nice, too. ; )
1,120 posted on 10/21/2003 7:16:18 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well I'm sure you see this thread ^ ) Who said the internet was not animated !
1,121 posted on 10/21/2003 7:16:26 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: VRWCmember
Cool... Much better than a Cardinal...
G0D is way above a Cardinal...
God Bless VRCW his son...
1,122 posted on 10/21/2003 7:16:45 PM PDT by Madame de Winter
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
What is Beethoven doing right now?

Decomposing.

What would Beethoven be doing right now if he were alive?

Clawing at the top of his coffin.

1,123 posted on 10/21/2003 7:21:37 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
My favorite joke:

(For this, you have to know that Buddy Rich was a bad, bad man. See transcripts of the way he spoke to his sidemen at My Buddy: A Four Act Passion Play.)

A guy calls up Buddy Rich's agent and says, "I've got a jazz club in Chicago and I was hoping to book Buddy Rich and his band."

The agent says, "I'm sorry to tell you this - I guess you haven't heard. Buddy died this past year."

The guy says, "Oh, sorry." He hangs up.

The next day, the agent's phone rings. Same guy - he says, "I was hoping to book Buddy Rich and his band in my club."

The agent says, "Didn't I just speak with you yesterday? Maybe you misunderstood. Buddy is dead."

Guy says, "All right. Thanks." He hangs up.

The next day, the agent's phone rings, and he recognizes the same guy's voice on the other end. The guy asks again if he can book Buddy and his band.

The agent loses his temper: "Look man, I TOLD you. You CANNOT book Buddy Rich. He is DEAD. Do you hear me? BUDDY RICH IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD."

The guy says, "I know. I just wanted to hear it again."

1,124 posted on 10/21/2003 7:28:10 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Har - ironies of ironies - I saw "The Buddy Rich Band" perform during a Yankees/Cleveland doubleheader when I was 11;)
1,125 posted on 10/21/2003 7:35:27 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: tpaine; betty boop
Thank you for your post!

History shows that mandating virtue through prohibitionary laws foster contempt for social order.

Do you have source references for this statement?

1,126 posted on 10/21/2003 7:56:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim for giving us a place to hang our hat with fellow Conservatives in support of The Constitution.


LONG LIVE FREE REPUBLIC

1,127 posted on 10/21/2003 8:15:40 PM PDT by NewLand (The truth can't be ignored...)
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To: MonroeDNA; Jim Robinson
Liberals, Socialists, Marxists, all control freaks, who can't stand individual liberty. I abhore them, and will do whatever I can to defeat them.

I credit Free Republic with being the defining force in revealing to me the years of propaganda and brainwashing I'd absorbed from public schools, universities, and pop culture. Literally, FR saved my mind. Here I found people who burst my bubble. Here I found people who told me about Ayn Rand. Here, I learned what conservatives actually want, rather than what liberals say they want. Here I found out about great conservative authors and sources like townhall.com, national review, iconoclast... I could go on and on but I'll settle for saying that FR is a massive part of my life. I check it before I go to school, as soon as I come home, between classes, and just before I go to bed.

1,128 posted on 10/21/2003 8:17:11 PM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians are just dynamite!)
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To: OWK
"You have the potential to unite all these people in common purpose... but you keep dividing them with the GOP "us or them" mentality"

Please...spare us your usual liberal boobery...

"Away, and mock the time with fairest show; false face must hide what the false heart doth know" -- Macbeth

1,129 posted on 10/21/2003 8:19:46 PM PDT by Windsong
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To: Jim Robinson
Wow. Couldn't agree with you more. It was the Gore attempted coup that led me to join FR; I really want to think that sites like FR, and alternate information sources like talk radio, are having an effect. Since I work in the heart of enemy territory (UC Davis), however, it is sometimes hard to remain optimistic. But I try.

Keep up the good work.
1,130 posted on 10/21/2003 8:29:25 PM PDT by exDemMom (Freedom. That's what it's all about.)
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To: tpaine; Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; logos
History shows that mandating virtue through prohibitionary laws foster[s] contempt for social order.

A-G wants to see your primary sources for this observation, and I think that would be most helpful and useful.

But at the end of the day, tpaine, I suspect there is simply something wrong with your theory, and the problem is not with evidence. For the very simple reason that virtue may not be compelled (or bribed) in principle. The contempt that your observation arouses in me, however, is not directed towards the "social order." Probably the social order is still firing on most, if not all, cylinders. My personal animus tends to get directed towards the people who think they run the social order.

I'm sure you catch the distinction.

1,131 posted on 10/21/2003 9:26:39 PM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: Jim Robinson
I think your integrity Jim is alright in my book. I am just puzzled at time about some that get bounced.

I guess because if I try to post even neutral topic just because of who I am I become an open target!

So in order to keep peace I must not respond to those who stalk me!

The trouble with inquiring about these things is that there are some wolves(DU)in the mix so I would not take what some say seriously!




1,132 posted on 10/21/2003 9:26:44 PM PDT by restornu
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To: wimpycat
I personally don't see the "potential excesses of mobs and majorities" happening at FR.

I am glad you never been on the recieving end of an intoleranced mob!

1,133 posted on 10/21/2003 9:41:32 PM PDT by restornu
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To: OWK
And to pay for fat lazy people to recieve a government check.

there are also thin and wiry folks get those checks!

1,134 posted on 10/21/2003 9:45:51 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Madame de Winter
I can't believe you have been here for almost two years and ask a question like this.

It is usually why one joins FR is because the system is broken.

Do you listen to any talk shows?

1,135 posted on 10/21/2003 9:58:03 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Not exactly true. An awful lot of us joined FR, because the Clintons and their horde were in positions of power.
1,136 posted on 10/21/2003 10:04:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Madame de Winter
I guess he (Lincoln) was just messing with the Constitution like toilet paper...

I am still trying to figure out what you mean by that remark?

1,137 posted on 10/21/2003 10:04:41 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Senator Pardek
And I'll bet you had no idea what he was putting the band through after the gig, huh? LOL (I love that "My Buddy" thing - what a trip.)
1,138 posted on 10/21/2003 10:04:46 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Copyright 2003 Nasty Ole DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet)
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To: Jim Robinson
You make a good case and you have my support in general even though I may take issue with one or another particular. Thanks again for all that you do.
1,139 posted on 10/21/2003 10:11:12 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Madame de Winter
What you don't seem to realize is that many of today Republicans are what is left of the Old Democratic party!

Ronald Reagan use to be Democrate.

At one time both parties defended the USA!

Are you an American or maybe very young?

Many here hate it when their age is asked but it helps to understand where one is coming from for many were denied in there education of the whole history of this nation!

1,140 posted on 10/21/2003 10:15:28 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Alamo-Girl
Look it up yourself. -- I don't do the 'cites' thingy.
1,141 posted on 10/21/2003 10:16:49 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: nopardons
I guess I was one of the fortunate to realized when we were bless to have Reagan he was a God send!

I was disappointed in father Bush but I would never vote for Clinton!

1,142 posted on 10/21/2003 10:21:15 PM PDT by restornu
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To: tpaine
What is the "cites' thingy."?
1,143 posted on 10/21/2003 10:24:09 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
I doubt that any of us " OLD TIMERS " , here, voted for Clinton. I, for one, didn't and joined FR as an antidote to screaqming at the radio, T.V., and various newspapers; though being a FREEPER didn't put a halt to my screaming at the afore mentioned. You've totally missed the essence of my post. LOL
1,144 posted on 10/21/2003 10:28:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
Without a constitutional amendment, the government simply does not have the authorization to interfere in campaigning or elections. I support absolutely no limits and no forced disclosure. It's none of the government's business how I support my candidates.

Do you really think the authors of the Constitution intended that non-local entities could contribute all the money they wanted to elect your congressional and state representatives? Also, when the Constitution was written, there were no unions, no corporations, no political parties and no PACs.

Constitutional amendment or whatever, something needs to be done. Our political system is corrupted by money. For any political party to gain and retain power, it requires huge amounts of campaign money and the way that works now is destroying our country.

1,145 posted on 10/21/2003 10:29:27 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Chad Fairbanks
A Representative Republic, as this country is supposed to be...

Chad you have me intrigued. You appear to be asserting that the country is no longer a representative republic On what basis do you make that assertion?

1,146 posted on 10/21/2003 10:33:00 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Jim Robinson
BTTT! Way to go, JimRob!
1,147 posted on 10/21/2003 10:34:11 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Semper
I'd vote in favor of free speech and no on that amendment. I'd vote yes on an amendment to repeal the 17th and eliminate the senatorial popular elections altogether and have the senators appointed by their state legislatures as the founders intended. Then all elections would basically be local.
1,148 posted on 10/21/2003 10:38:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: nopardons
I was a member long ago under another name "Pressforward Saints!"

I remember when the color was black and red or was it yellow?
1,149 posted on 10/21/2003 10:43:59 PM PDT by restornu
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To: betty boop
In effect, the belief that we ~must~ control mans "virtue" is one if the prime reasons that even the "best constitution" cannot suffice to maintain a decent, just social order.
History shows that mandating virtue through prohibitionary laws foster contempt for social order.

A-G wants to see your primary sources for this observation, and I think that would be most helpful and useful. But at the end of the day, tpaine, I suspect there is simply something wrong with your theory, and the problem is not with evidence.

No 'evidence' is necessary to a student of the history of booze & drug prohibitions.. The contempt for order is all about us.

For the very simple reason that virtue may not be compelled (or bribed) in principle.

Exactly my point, - mandating/compeling, & attempts to coerce[bribe] virtue through prohibitionary laws foster contempt for social order.

The contempt that your observation arouses in me, however, is not directed towards the "social order."

Strange, -- You just agreed with my observation, betty.

Probably the social order is still firing on most, if not all, cylinders. My personal animus tends to get directed towards the people who think they run the social order. I'm sure you catch the distinction.

Given your own confusion just above, I'd hesitate to say.. - In particular because the inference of your animus to my observation seems directed my way. Do you think I imagine running "the social order" betty? -- That's a bizarre thought..

1,150 posted on 10/21/2003 10:46:19 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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