Family, Friends Reflect on Schiavo

Newsday ^ | October 24, 2003, 10:33 PM EDT | ALLEN G. BREED

[nmh]

"Michael Schiavo is a REGISTERED NURSE?",br>

Uh hum. Wouldn't want him NEAR me when I felt well much less when I was ill. I'd bet he's been doing all kinds of unehical things, medically to her to kill her.

[cyn]

posting entire article for our information

Family, Friends Reflect on Schiavo

By ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press Writer
October 24, 2003, 10:33 PM EDT

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. -- Diane Meyer can recall only one time her best friend Terri Schiavo really got angry with her. It was 1981, and it haunts her still.
The recent high school graduates had just seen a television movie about Karen Ann Quinlan, who had been in a coma since collapsing six years earlier and was the subject of a bitter court battle over her parents' decision to take her off a respirator. Meyer told a cruel joke about Quinlan, and it set Terri off.
"She went down my throat about this joke, that it was inappropriate," Meyer says. She remembers Terri wondering how the doctors and lawyers could possibly know what Quinlan was really feeling or what she would want.
"Where there's life," Meyer recalls her saying, "there's hope."
Twenty-two years later and suffering from brain damage, Terri is now the subject of a similar debate -- and so is the question of just what choice she would make about her life and death.
She has not been fully conscious since collapsing in 1990 at age 26 from what doctors have said was a potassium imbalance that stopped her heart.
In contrast to Meyer's recollection, her husband, Michael Schiavo, and members of his family have said Terri told them she would not want to be kept alive artificially if she were incapable of getting better.
Michael Schiavo petitioned in 1998 to remove Terri's feeding tube. The courts have ruled Terri is in a persistent vegetative state and last week approved the request. But after six days without food or water, the tube was restored Wednesday by order of Gov. Jeb Bush, who acted on a bill rushed through the Legislature.
Amid the swirl of court filings and the cries of protesters, family and friends say people seem to have forgotten that Terri is a person. That before people became obsessed with whether she should die, she had a life.
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Theresa Marie Schindler was born Dec. 3, 1963, to a well-to-do family in the Philadelphia suburbs. The oldest of three children, she was always shy and retiring.
Her mother, Mary, says Terri would spend hours in her room, arranging her more than 100 stuffed animals into a private zoo. Always heavy, Terri hated sports, except horseback riding, which fed her love for animals.
Terri never said anything about her weight, but her mother always sensed it bothered her.
"She cried a lot when she went to get clothes," Mrs. Schindler says.
Terri didn't go to school dances, not even her senior prom. Instead, she and her friends would go to the movies. Meyer remembers they went to see "An Officer and a Gentleman" four times in one day.
She was a huge fan of the TV show "Starsky and Hutch." Sue Pickwell figures she and Terri wrote hundreds of letters to co-star Paul Michael Glaser, and "I remember the excitement when they finally wrote back, or their people wrote back."
Terri was naive and somewhat gullible. When she couldn't get her Christmas tree to stand up straight one year, her father, Bob, told her to take it back to the lot and have them put it in the "tree straightener."
"She called me about an hour later and said, 'What did you do to me? They all laughed at me.'"
Terri has always been very tenderhearted, especially when it came to animals.
She came home crying one night, saying she thought she'd run over a rabbit or squirrel. Knowing she would be devastated if she saw the animal the next day, her brother Bobby went out and threw it in the bushes, then assured Terri he'd found nothing.
When her yellow Labrador collapsed, Terri performed mouth-to-nose resuscitation on him, her mother says.
"She was puffing away for all she was worth," she says. "He died in her arms."
Her junior year, Mrs. Schindler took Terri to the doctor to ask about her weight, which had ballooned to over 200 pounds on a 5-foot-3 frame. The doctor told her Terri would lose the weight when she was ready.
After graduation from Archbishop Wood Catholic School, she was ready. On a structured diet program, she got her weight down to 140 to 150 pounds initially.
"Terri has always been beautiful from the inside out," Meyer says. "And then when she lost all the weight, she really became quite beautiful on the outside as well. What was inside she allowed to shine out at that point."
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Terri enrolled in Bucks County Community College with the goal of working with animals, and there she met Michael Schiavo. Mrs. Schindler says Terri went head over heels.
"It was the first guy who ever, ever paid any attention to her," she says.
Meyer says Terri talked about how gorgeous Schiavo was and how he was always telling her she was beautiful. He was the "Officer and a Gentleman" to a chubby girl who had lived vicariously through Danielle Steele romances, Meyer believes.
After a little more than a year of dating, the two were married in 1984. Terri wrote to her favorite entertainer, John Denver, to ask him to sing at her wedding, but he never replied.
By a year later, Terri had gained a little of her weight back. Meyer says Terri told her that Schiavo had seen her high school graduation picture and warned her "if she ever got fat like that again he'd divorce her."
"I said, 'He's probably kidding,'" she says. "But it was upsetting to her."
Scott Schiavo, Michael's brother, says it was the Schindlers who rode Terri about her weight. He says her brother sometimes showed one of Terri's old driver's licenses for a laugh.
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In 1986, the couple moved to Florida. Schiavo managed restaurants, and Terri got a clerk's job at an insurance agency.
Mrs. Schindler says Terri began complaining that Schiavo never wanted to go anywhere. When she would go visit her parents or a friend from work, Mrs. Schindler says, Schiavo would check the mileage on her car.
"She could go to those places," she says. "Any other place, he gave her crap."
Jackie Rhodes, who worked and socialized with Terri, says Schiavo would frequently call his wife at work and leave her in tears. She says she and Terri had each discussed divorcing their husbands and moving in together.
"We actually discussed how much we could afford and where we would want to live," she says.
But Scott Schiavo, Michael's brother, says he wasn't aware of any trouble in the marriage.
And when the couple went to his grandmother's funeral, Scott Schiavo says, Terri told him she would not want to be put on a respirator, as the grandmother had been.
"Terri turned around and looked right in my eyes, and I can still see her sitting there on my lefthand side," he recalls, repeating testimony he gave in court. "'If I'm gone, just let me go.'"
Bobby Schindler says his sister began talking about leaving Schiavo in 1989. "She said she wished she had the strength or the energy or the know-how to get a divorce," he says.
By this time, Terri's weight had dropped below 120 and Mrs. Schindler says she confronted her daughter about how thin she was getting.
Terri's reply: "I eat, Mom. I eat."
Potassium disorders and heart failure have been linked to anorexia, but the family doesn't think Terri had a real eating disorder. Doctors have never been able to say with certainty what caused the collapse.
The day before she collapsed, Terri had complained to her mother that she was having menstrual problems, and that she wasn't satisfied with her doctor. Mrs. Schindler said they'd get together after the weekend and find her a new one.
They never got to.
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Terri is 39 now, living in a hospice in Pinellas Park. After working so hard to come out of her shell, she spends most of her days alone in a single room.
She still has her "stuffies," only not as many as before. Just a couple of stuffed dogs and a pair of plush pumpkins her mother hung up for Halloween.
Her family says she laughs when they play John Denver for her and follows them with her eyes. Doctors say those are unconscious responses.
Michael Schiavo, who has since become a registered nurse and has a daughter with his girlfriend, could not be reached for comment. But Scott Schiavo says his brother is merely trying to let Terri die with dignity.
"When it sunk into Mike's head, Mike decided to stop being selfish. 'I can't bring her back, and I've got to grant her wish.'" he says. "The bottom line is that Mike never wanted this to be a side show."
Her family and friends say they love her, too, and think she can get better with therapy. And they are just as convinced that she would not want to be let go.
One thing they are sure of. She would not like all this attention and fuss over her.
"She's not a cause," Meyer says. "She's a person. A very special person."
But, like everything else in her life, that is beyond her control.
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EDITOR'S NOTE: Allen G. Breed is the AP's Southeast regional writer, based in Raleigh, N.C.

Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press

[maestro]

FYI....ping!

[cyn]

* she was always shy and retiring
* Terri was naive and somewhat gullible
* Michael Schiavo "...was the first guy who ever, ever paid any attention to her."
* Schiavo ... warned her "if she ever got fat like that again he'd divorce her ... it was upsetting to her."
* Schiavo would check the mileage on her car.
* Schiavo would frequently call his wife at work and leave her in tears
* Bobby Schindler says his sister began talking about leaving Schiavo in 1989. "She said she wished she had the strength or the energy or the know-how to get a divorce..."

[nmh]

"Bobby Schindler says his sister began talking about leaving Schiavo in 1989. "She said she wished she had the strength or the energy or the know-how to get a divorce..."

I think this one says the most. BTW, WHEN did this unexplained or controversial "potassiam inbalance" or near "heart attack" occur? Could it be that the control freak also knew she MIGHT divorce him and decided to just kill her?

[cyn]

* Jackie Rhodes...says she and Terri had each discussed divorcing their husbands and moving in together ... discussed "how much we could afford and where we would want to live."

1991; possibly. Baden (#13) gave an opinion about the possibility of trauma. Of course, it's just an opinion ;o)

God be with you & protect you & yours, Terri.

[cyn]

[cyn]

hi, shezza -- thanks for the pxr. Oops, where'd she go?

[cyn]

"Once I was comotose, and the doctor said that I would not live, but I did, and here I am. It was the patient love of my mother that pulled me through, and even when I could not talk, I knew her voice and trusted it. My doctor said that my mother was taking better care of me than any hospital ever could, and he allowed me to stay at home."

What a wonderful outcome -- what an unexpected story, and how glad we are for your recovery! The bond between mother and child is powerful indeed.

May God be with Terri and her parents, and guide and protect them from all harm and the evil that surrounds them. May they be delivered from it.

And may a true advocate be immediately be found for Terri. Amen. Thank you, tessalu. Stay well.

[cyn]

http://www.ragged-edge-mag.com/extra/wokeup.html

(posted by Sloth; hard work had nothing to do with it.)

[shezza]

I still see the picture...are you getting the dreaded red-x instead?

[cyn]

no, it offered to load, but didn't, even when I especially 'asked' it to!

That pictures speaks volumes for Terri and her mother. Thanks so much!

[cyn]

Hey, guys, take a look at this VERY INTERESTING discrepancy -- compare this article (in entirety at #22 above) VS this new one --
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1009520/posts


The Consequences of Casual Conversations
The Daily Standard ^ | 10/27/03 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 10/28/2003 2:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck

ONE EVENING, during the second term of President Ronald Reagan, Terri Schiavo and her husband Michael decided to watch a television movie about Karen Ann Quinlan. Quinlan, as most readers know, had a tragic life. After overdosing on a combination of drugs and alcohol, she fell into unconsciousness and never awakened. Her parents won a lawsuit in the New Jersey Supreme Court allowing them to disconnect her ventilator. Karen didn't die immediately--she lived on for 10 more years before finally expiring from pneumonia.


While discussing the movie, Michael claims that Terri stated she would not want to live hooked up to a "machine" (she's not), or be a "burden" (her parents don't consider her a burden and want to care for her).

Michael's brother, Scott, backs up his claim, while his sister-in-law, Joan, told the court that Terri had approved of pulling the life support from the dying baby of a mutual friend and said that if she ever wrote a "will" she would say that she didn't want "tubes."

[syriacus]

Thanks, cyn. The plot thickens.

[shezza]

Testing, testing.... can you see it now? If not, copy this URL:
http://hometown.aol.com/shezza/myhomepage/terri_and_mom.jpg?mtbrand=AOL_US
and paste it into your browser's address bar. You'll go to the hosting page. Then come back to this page and see if you get the photo in posts #27 and #35.

[nickcarraway]

It seems to me ridiculous that a casual remark (at 25, no less) can be interpreted as a legal decision. People make remarks like this, but they aren't in that situation.

If someone says ``I want to kill so-and-so'' is that regarded as truth?

[ljswisc]

"The Consequences of Casual Conversations"

No kidding! Seems a casual conversation can give someone legal authority to end your life!

I believe it's entirely possible that Terri could have gotten mad at her friend for making a joke about Karen Quinlan and perhaps a few years later told her brother in law at a funeral, "Just let me go." Events in peoples lives are perfectly capable of influencing their opinions which can be changed by yet another event.

A young happy girl has a stubborn will to live. A girl who is trapped in a miserable, abusive marriage? May be thinking there's not much here to hold on to. Been there.

How often does a person decide to end their life.. only to change their mind when they get to the moment of truth? I would say more often then not!!

What if a person even goes as far as to create that living will.. but suddenly the time comes and they don't want to go through with it? What if they seem to be in a coma...but are actually aware of what people around them are discussing...? I don't know how even a living will created perhaps years in advance could be admissible in court..but a casual conversation??? Please!