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Bloody King Linked To Saxon Beach Find (Caedwalla)
Isle Of Wight County Press (UK) ^ | 10-30-2003 | Richard Wright

Posted on 10/30/2003 3:48:36 PM PST by blam

BLOODY KING LINKED TO SAXON BEACH FIND

By Richard Wright

A RARE gold sword belt ornament which could have belonged to the seventh century Saxon king, Caedwalla, has been found on an Island beach - and there could be another hidden under the sands.

Discovery of the intricate gold decoration encrusted with garnets is regarded as being especially historically significant because it could have belonged to the king reputed to have put a quarter of the Island population to the sword in his attempt to convert them to Christianity.

Enthusiast Darren Trickey, 21, had gone out for a few minutes with his metal detector when he came across the find of a lifetime on the beach at Bembridge. Removal man Darren, of Dennett Road, Bembridge, said: "It glowed like it was brand new when I dug it up. "I'm told it could be worth up to £30,000 and I would love it if the IW Council's museum service would bid for it because it would be great to see it displayed on the Island with my name underneath it.

"I have been detecting since I was ten and have found coins and items of modern jewellery but nothing like this. It is fantastic."

At an inquest on Tuesday, Island coroner John Matthews declared the artefact treasure trove, which will enable museums to buy it from Darren.

IW Council archaeological officer Frank Basford told Tuesday's inquest the spectacular gold pyramidal sword belt fitting was the most important artefact to have been found on the Island since the excavation of Anglo Saxon cemeteries of Bowcombe Down and Chessell Down in the mid 19th century.

"The gold fitting has an octagonal base and is decorated with 16 panels divided into cells. Originally these were inlaid with garnets, only one of which now survives. "At the base is a bar through which a leather strap would have been threaded.

"The eigth century historian, the Venerable Bede, credits Caedwalla with converting the Jutish population of the Island to Christianity.

"If this is the case his conversion methods sound rather drastic, as the Island is chronicled as having accepted Christianity some 25 years earlier when it was ruled by the South Saxons.

"As it was found on the beach it may have been dropped by someone visiting or even invading the Island. "We can be confident its owner was of very high rank. The sword belt fitting is particularly fine and its octagonal form makes it a unique example. It is possible it belonged to Caedwalla himself and it is also possible there is another under the beach because they were worn as pairs."

· When other metal detecting enthusiasts had packed up and gone home, Terry Orme's persistence paid off with the discovery of an important 15th century ring, which could have royal significance.

An inquest decided that the ring, dug up from a Godshill field, was treasure trove, which opens the way for a museum to buy it and put the ring on display. Half the proceeds of several thousand pounds would go to Mr Orme, 54, of Main Road, Havenstreet, and half to the landowner.

But if the British Museum or the IW Council do not want the 95 per cent pure silver gilt ring, tomato picker Mr Orme said he would like to be able to pay the landowner for his half and have the ring for himself.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ancienthistory; archeology; artifacts; beach; bloody; godsgravesglyphs; king; linked; saxon; uk; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 10/30/2003 3:48:36 PM PST by blam
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To: farmfriend
Anglo-Saxon England
2 posted on 10/30/2003 3:51:53 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Kid finds magic holy sword BUMP!
3 posted on 10/30/2003 3:56:01 PM PST by Spruce
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To: blam
"...the king reputed to have put a quarter of the Island population to the sword in his attempt to convert them to Christianity."

Is this the only thing this particular king was noted for? Or is there a specific reason to have this statement as the second sentence (HIGH PROFILE) in the article?

IMHO, typical of socialist/secularists - anything to denegrate Christianity at every opportunity.

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4 posted on 10/30/2003 3:58:08 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: steplock
Would you also get irate on behalf of Pol Pot if you read:
"...the ruler reputed to have put a quarter of the national population to the sword in his attempt to convert them to Communism."?

Inquiring minds want to know

5 posted on 10/30/2003 4:17:57 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (You realize, of course, this means war?" B Bunny)
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To: blam
"The eigth century historian, the Venerable Bede, credits Caedwalla with converting the Jutish population of the Island to Christianity.

The first branch of "Jutes for Jesus"?

6 posted on 10/30/2003 4:51:27 PM PST by Defiant (Gropin', gropin', gropin'. Davis is a-mopin. Rawhiiiiiiiiide!)
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To: blam
Wonder where this historical trinket was before someone threw it on the beach.
7 posted on 10/30/2003 5:02:08 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
"Wonder where this historical trinket was before someone threw it on the beach."

I was wondering the same thing. My guess is that it was lost in battle. Who would throw away gold, even if it belonged to your enemy.

8 posted on 10/30/2003 5:26:53 PM PST by blam
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To: Oztrich Boy
Knowing the socialist/communist bent to abolish Christianity, I simply asked a question.

Did YOU get irate at my question?
9 posted on 10/30/2003 5:30:47 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: blam
My guess is that it was lost in battle

My guess is that it was tossed onto the beach before the last 100 year storm, probably in the last few months or years since gold abrades very easily in a surf zone and this trinket had remarkable detail.

10 posted on 10/30/2003 5:46:26 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: steplock
Knowing the tendency of some on this board to denegrate Marxism/Communism at every opportunity (not that there's anything wrong with that), I simply asked a question.

It's called holding all of humanity to the same standard.

11 posted on 10/30/2003 5:55:02 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (You realize, of course, this means war?" B Bunny)
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To: steplock
Is this the only thing this particular king was noted for? Or is there a specific reason to have this statement as the second sentence (HIGH PROFILE) in the article?

A Google search on the name "Caedwalla" turns up just over 1000 references, one of which is this page, which says, in part:

"The history of the Anglo-Saxon conquest of the island is unclear. Documentary and archaeological evidence indicates that the earliest settlers in Kent and the Isle of Wight were distinct from those of other parts of south-east England. Bede recorded that these people were Jutes, and not Angles or Saxons. The initial phase of settlement took place in the late fifth or early sixth century. The island appears to have remained independent of the other Anglo-Saxon kingdoms until the middle of the seventh century when Wulfhere, King of Mercia, captured it. Wulfhere promptly gave it to one of his vassals, Aethelwalh, King of the South Saxons. It has been suggested that several villages, such as Arreton, Brading, Carisbrooke and Freshwater, were founded during the reign of Aethelwalh. In 686, the West Saxon Caedwalla killed Aelthelwalh on the mainland. Caedwalla then invaded the Isle of Wight, exterminated the inhabitants and settled it with his own followers from the mainland. From that time the island became an integral part of the kingdom of Wessex."

Since another page, also found in the same search, shows that Caedwalla only reigned for two years, the answer to your question is very likely "yes".

12 posted on 10/30/2003 6:05:15 PM PST by derlauerer (The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice-versa.)
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To: blam
It is possible it belonged to Caedwalla himself

Given that there is absolutely not one scintilla of evidence that indeed this belonged to a king or anyone else of significance other thatn its value, it is a far stretch to make that leap.

13 posted on 10/30/2003 6:11:45 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: blam
I recall reading that all the early crown jewels of England were lost when the party transporting them for King John took a shortcut across the Wash and were hit by the incoming tide. The point where this happened is supposed to be inland now. If the story is true, it would be a fascinating archeological find if the jewels ever turn up.
14 posted on 10/30/2003 6:29:54 PM PST by wideminded
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To: steplock
IMHO, typical of socialist/secularists - anything to denegrate Christianity at every opportunity.

Yeah! What a cheap shot! So he killed one lousy quarter of the population of the Isle of Wight. And he's famous for that?

15 posted on 10/30/2003 6:32:45 PM PST by VadeRetro
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16 posted on 10/30/2003 6:44:50 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
It's nice that they offer to pay the finder, instead of just claiming it as state property.
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To: steplock
I agree with your post. This is just a slam on Christinaity. Bede's "Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum" doesn't say that Caedwalla was converting the people by the sword, it says that he was exterminating them.
19 posted on 10/30/2003 7:20:46 PM PST by Varda
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To: dasboot
"It's nice that they offer to pay the finder, instead of just claiming it as state property."

Yup, the Brits have a law like that, it rewards the finder. I've seen a lot of articles refer to this 'reward'. It encourages people to bring all sorts of things to public view.

20 posted on 10/30/2003 7:21:16 PM PST by blam
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