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Open Judicial Mouth, Insert Foot
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 4 November 2003 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 11/03/2003 11:46:29 AM PST by Congressman Billybob

Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor confessed last week that she has violated her oath of office in the past. That she intends to violate her oath in the future. And that she thinks this is good for America. Does that sound highly improbable? Wouldn't the national press have covered such a thing if it happened? Read on.

The Constitution states the oath of office that Presidents must take before entering on their duties. Each President must swear (or affirm) that he will "to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." By custom, all other federal officials including Justices of the Supreme Court take a similar oath before entering upon their duties.

Justice O'Connor received the World Justice Award from the Southern Center for International Studies at its annual dinner in Atlanta last week. This is an obscure award from a semi-obscure organization. And speeches by Justices of the Supreme Court are not a hot ticket for the national media generally. So this may be the first that most readers have heard of this event.

Despite the fact that a "GoogleNews" search showed that only seven media outlets bothered to cover this, most of them local to Atlanta, this was an important speech. In it, the Justice revealed more than she may have intended about the Court and about herself. As with everyone who has ever "gotten a dinner," she made a speech that was generally pleasing to those who organized the event.

The main article was published in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on 29 October, and was glowing in its praise for Justice O'Connor's remarks. Its title was, "O'Connor Says Court has its Ear to the World." The Journal-Constitution didn't bother to look into the background of the Southern Center for International Studies; I did. The dominant bloc on the board of the Center is past and present officers of the Coca-Cola Company, including its Vice President for Global Affairs. Presumably, money from Coca-Cola or from its charitable Foundation flowed in proportion to its phalanx of officers volunteered to the Center.

Reading the website of the Center leads to the conclusion that it favors international trade, of course, and opposes national impediments to such trade, including laws of the United States. Justice O'Connor's speech did not disappoint in that regard.

The gist of Justice O'Connor's speech was that decisions of the Supreme Court affect the reputation of the United States around the world, and that the Court should take that into account in deciding its cases. She said to her appreciative hosts, "The impressions we create in this world are important, and they can leave their mark."

She demonstrated her point with references to two decisions of the Court: the 2002 one that mentally retarded murderers should not be executed, and the 2003 one which struck down the Texas sodomy laws (and similar laws in 30 other states). In the death penalty case, Justice O'Connor said that the Court "regarded world opinion" in its ruling that executing retarded murderers was unconstitutional. She noted that American diplomats had filed a brief before the Court, arguing that their foreign missions had difficulties due to US practices in death penalty cases.

She did not see fit to mention the inconvenient detail that most death penalty cases in the US arise under the criminal laws of the various sovereign states, and that the US Constitution gives the subject of criminal law to the state governments themselves, acting on behalf of their own citizens. The same point applied to the other example which she cited with favor, the Texas sodomy statute which the Court struck down, while rejecting one of its own precedents in ruling with the laws and decisions of other nations as against those of the United States.

Justice O'Connor told her audience at the Southern Center, "I suspect that over time we will rely increasingly, or take notice at least increasingly, on international and foreign courts in examining domestic issues."

It ought not to be necessary to remind a Justice of the Supreme Court what the Constitution says about the authority of that Court. Reporters (and their editors) who cover the Court and its Justices ought to have a copy of the Constitution handy, and should refer to its text when relevant. Since both the Justice and the reporters on this occasion fell down on the job, I'll make up the lack.

Article III of the Constitution defined the federal judiciary. Section 1 created the Supreme Court and established its limited original jurisdiction. It also gave Congress the power to create lower federal courts and define the jurisdiction of the lower courts and the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. Then, having defined the courts, the Constitution defined their jurisdiction.

Section 2, says that "The judicial power of the United States shall extend to all Cases, in Law and in Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under its authority." To put it in plain English, the jurisdiction of all the federal courts extends only to laws and constitutions in the United States, both state and federal. International law is, exactly as Justice Scalia said in his stinging dissent in the Texas sodomy case, absolutely irrelevant to the decision of any Supreme Court case.

The only way that international law can become relevant to a case in federal courts, is if it's incorporated into a treaty that's been ratified. The reason for that is the Constitution specifies that a treaty, once ratified by the Senate, becomes part of the laws of the United States. It then becomes relevant not because it is an international law, but because Senate ratification has made it part of US law.

So in admitting that she and other Justices in some prior decisions had used international law generally, not limited to ratified treaties, and that they would do so again in the future, Justice O'Connor was violating her oath to "preserve, protect and defend ... the Constitution."

Why did the Southern Center for International Studies decide to honor Justice O'Connor (and honor itself by persuading her to accept its award)? Perhaps they chose her as being compatible with the Center's globalist views because of an interview months ago that Justices Breyer and O'Connor jointly did with ABC News' "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos. Justice Breyer attacked Justice Antonin Scalia's dissent in the Texas sodomy ruling, which contended the views of foreign jurists are irrelevant under the U.S. Constitution. Justice Breyer added, apparently with Justice O'Connor's approval, "We see all the time, Justice O'Connor and I, and the others, how the world really –– it's trite but it's true –– is growing together.... Through commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

This attitude that the Court should be a legal adjunct to the State Department to "win friends and influence people" conflicts with some of the Court's own decisions which have recognized that international affairs are "peculiarly given" to the President and the State Department, and not to either the Congress or the federal courts. Furthermore, this attitude is a frontal assault on the most basic and central premise of American political theory and the Constitution itself.

As the Declaration of Independence states, the most basic political right is that of self-government. This is enshrined in law in Article V of the Constitution, which gives the right of amending the Constitution solely to the people of the United States – acting through their elected representatives in Congress and in the state legislatures. The Constitution gives no power whatsoever to the nine unelected Justices of the Supreme Court to amend it as they choose, for whatever reasons at least five of them might cobble together.

If the people of the United States, acting through Congress and the state legislatures, were to decide that some aspects of international law should be incorporated into the Constitution, that would be a legitimate decision. But that is quite a different matter than the unelected Justices appointing themselves as Platonic "philosopher kings" to take such a decision away from the people and impose it by judicial fiat.

The United States has become a beacon to the world, symbolized by the Statue of Liberty, precisely because of the government, society, and economy that it has developed since 1787. And amendments to the Constitution will, of course, have their effects on the society and economy of the United States. But nothing in that Constitution gives the Supreme Court the power to usurp the amendment power and to make such changes on its own hook. This is especially true when the Court wants to make changes based on its own personal preference for laws of other jurisdictions over laws of the United States. This logical conclusion is so clear and obvious that it's appalling to see a sitting Justice of the Court say the opposite, deliberately and in public.

In short, Justice O'Connor's speech to the Southern Center demonstrates that she has willingly violated her oath as a Justice, that she intends to do the same thing in the future, and that she's proud of that behavior. There should be little doubt in light of this, why the confirmation of new judges, and ultimately new Justices, has become such a tooth-and-nail fight between those who want judges who will obey the law and the Constitution and those who want judges who are "progressive" and therefore "open-minded" on such matters. Justices do not take an oath to be "open-minded" about enforcing the Constitution.

Nothing less than the future of the Constitution, and of the central concept of popular sovereignty over our government, are at stake.

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About the Author: John Armor is an author and columnist on politics and history. He currently has an Exploratory Committee to run for Congress.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
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To: Congressman Billybob
Alcee was the only one that came to mind. I did think Florida, rather then California.

Since the Senate can not even get judges voted on, I guess nothing will come of O'Connor's statements. Only dims are allowed to attack women.

41 posted on 11/03/2003 1:39:58 PM PST by mathluv
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To: Congressman Billybob
Excellent article. I hope you don't mind if I post it on another forum with all appropriate credits and a link back to the original in place.
42 posted on 11/03/2003 1:48:10 PM PST by Buggman (Jesus Saves--the rest of you take full damage.)
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To: Mean Maryjean
"Only that'll never happen because the power-grubbing, sleazy, slimy, greasy, wimpy scumbags in the U.S. Senate don't have the courage of conviction to do the right thing, on principle, no matter the cost. They should ALL be thrown out!

When Daschole votes FOR a ban on partial-birth abortion, I'd say hell has frozen over and things are slowly changing.

43 posted on 11/03/2003 1:49:28 PM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: george wythe; All
Per your request, I just called the Press Office of the US Supreme Court. Because I am a Member of the Court's Bar, and a writer for UPI, I am qualified to ask questions about Justice O'Connor's speech, and get definitive answers.

The Press Office spokeswoman just told me, minutes ago, that "Justice O'Connor did not make the text of that speech available." She also said that, "If the Southern Center had made the speech available," her office would have been informed. When I asked her whether it was routine, when Justices speak in front of the press, to make texts available for accuracy in quotations, she said, "That's up to the Justices personally."

The bottom line is that Justice O'Conner and the Southern Center for International Studies are trying to keep the wraps on this speech. I leave it to others as to why that is so. From my prior experience, not releasing the text of a public speech by a Justice is rare behavior.

John / Billybob

44 posted on 11/03/2003 1:53:27 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Buggman
Yes. you have my cheerful consent to reprint this article where you choose. You already anticipated my courtesy requests of byline, copyright, and link back to the original.

Thank you.

John / Billybob

45 posted on 11/03/2003 1:56:05 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: 2timothy3.16
See my note, above, to George Wiley. At Justice O'Connor's choice, the text of this speech is NOT being released. Not by the Supreme Court. Not by the Southern Center. However, all the few news media sources that covered the story used the same quotes that I used in my article, so they're probably correct as far as they go.

John / Billybob

46 posted on 11/03/2003 2:00:49 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
This is exactly what I have been saying about the possibility of Terri's law being found unconstitutional. "The people" have more power then the judges. Many people , even here at Freerepublic, do not understand that we are a Republic, or what that means in terms of who has the power to make laws, and who it is that is paid by the taxpayers to enforce the laws , which the tax supported, representatives for the people , called legislatures make.

Judges do not have absolute power.

47 posted on 11/03/2003 2:35:26 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Normally a Lurker
I don't think I ever replied to any of the Terri threads. I was just wondering what would happen if the Supreme Court decided to take a case like hers.
48 posted on 11/03/2003 4:15:42 PM PST by ladylib
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To: Congressman Billybob
Lemme know what you think.

I think I am glad to see that you have confirmed my perception of what she said. Some freepers denied her intent, but it appeared plain enough to me.

49 posted on 11/03/2003 4:19:38 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Congressman Billybob
The bottom line is that Justice O'Conner and the Southern Center for International Studies are trying to keep the wraps on this speech.

Then it is time for us to add a little heat. I am open for suggestions as to how.

50 posted on 11/03/2003 4:54:12 PM PST by 2timothy3.16
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To: ladylib
Short question, long answer:

First it depends on whether you mean the FL State Supreme Court, or the US Supreme Court. Second it depends on whether you mean the basic court case, or the issue regarding the FL Gov/Legislature overriding the judicial decision.

In short, I believe either of the supreme court levels will/would find the action by the FL Gov/Legislature to have been unconstitutional - a violation of her rights. (lots of issues here - I may be able to explain this in greater detail at another site).

As to the basic case, the lower court decisions have been affirmed by all appeals courts hearing the matter to date (overall 18-19 judges have heard the matter - the latest being a de nova review by 4 or 5 judges - an unusual move in itself). I really doubt that either of the supreme courts would even accept the case on appeal.

51 posted on 11/03/2003 5:32:25 PM PST by Normally a Lurker (partial explanation is on my FR home page)
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To: cyncooper
I read all of the few media accounts that appeared on GoogleNews concerning this speech. They generally agreed on the quotes used from the speech. And the Atlanta Journal-Constitution headline -- though an affrort to the Constitution and entirely too gleeful about that -- is an accurate summary of her approach to the subject.

John / Billybob

52 posted on 11/03/2003 5:54:07 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Normally a Lurker
Okay. I agree with you. The US Supreme Court would never take this case. The Gov/legislature can't trump the judiciary, as appealing as that may be. Perhaps the legislature could make it more difficult in the future for people like Mr. Schiavo, but they can't do it in this case.

As far as her rights are concerned, it's he said/she said and he wins.

It's been through the court system up and down. That's it.

53 posted on 11/03/2003 6:04:05 PM PST by ladylib
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To: cyncooper; Congressman Billybob
Congressman Billybob:
Lemme know what you think.




I think I am glad to see that you have confirmed my perception of what she said. Some freepers denied her intent, but it appeared plain enough to me.
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O'Connor is as liberal as they come, -- but the idea that she is openly trying to subvert the constitution in 'states rights' matters is rabble-rousing political bull. She's dumb -- but not ~that~ stupid.
Nope. Our wannabe congressman is using some minor rubber chicken dinner remarks to puff himself up as a defender of the 'sovereign states rights' faith..

States have no sovereign 'rights' over individuals, they have powers, limited by our Constitutuion & BOR's.. Sometimes the USSC agrees, -- far to often they don't.
54 posted on 11/03/2003 6:07:41 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & our republic, as usual, will lose.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Justice O'Connor also said recently that she does not normally go back to review original documents and writings to get the intent of our founders --- because things like DNA weren't around then.

I saw part of her remarks to a class of students (on tv). She told them that many people do not realize that case law becomes law, "unless we overturn it."

To me, this explains some the judicial activity by the 9th Circuit and others --- if it doesn't get overturned, they have made another law (gun control is a good example).

55 posted on 11/03/2003 6:08:16 PM PST by gatex
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To: Allan
Bump
56 posted on 11/03/2003 6:55:39 PM PST by Allan
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To: tpaine
You have, as usual, gotten the argument upside down. The states are "general" governments. The powers of the federal government are "few and defined," at least if one takes seriously the views of Madison, Hamilton and Jay in the Federalist.

I take the views of those who wrote the laws -- and the Constitution is the "supreme Law" -- quite seriously. That's why I've spent forty years studying the writings of the men and women who wrote the Constitution and all of its amendments.

John / Billybob

57 posted on 11/03/2003 6:59:36 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
You boast of 40 years study..
I took an oath to protect and defend our constitution 48 years ago.
I knew then as I know now that States have no sovereign 'rights' over individuals, they have delegated powers, limited by our Constitutuion & BOR's..

Somehow you claim that this means I've:
-- "as usual, gotten the argument upside down. The states are "general" governments. The powers of the federal government are "few and defined"..

Weird comment.
The general government bit is not at issue. Your comments on the USSC vs states 'rights' are the argument, imo.
- You ~want~ states to have the power to ignore our Bill of Rights.. Why is that?

58 posted on 11/03/2003 8:15:44 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & our republic, as usual, will lose.)
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To: tpaine
Haven't you ever read the Federalist by Madison, Hamilton and Jay? If you had, you would have recognized one of the most famous quotes from that source, which I used. That book has several chapters on the difference between "limited" and "general" governments. It's hard, if not impossible, for anyone to understand the principle of federalism, without first understanding that distinction.

I have no idea where you get the idea that the states can or should "ignore the Bill of Rights." I've never suggested any such thing. To the contrary, the main focus of my work in the Supreme Court and my writing about that Court is to get the Justices to obey the Constitution, including all of its amendments.

You should have the same opinion, if you understand and support the Constitution as written. Do you?

John / Billybob

59 posted on 11/03/2003 9:48:07 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Congressman Billybob:
Two threads on FreeRepublic have already mentioned this subject. Though there's more detail in my article because I do, after all, practice in the US Supreme Court.
Lemme know what you think.
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As I told you on your first thread, you are hyping the issue beyond reason.
The liberal judges on the USSC will be controled by our system of checks & balances between Fed & State power, ~if~ it is allowed to operate.

Politically, this is not happening.

Demanding that states have the power to ignore our bill of rights in the writing of unreasonable regulations on such issues as capital punishment of the mentally ill & sexual 'sin' laws, is a violation of the lawyers oath to protect and defend, imo.. - Thus, it is part of the political problem.


Sure, the liberal justices are 'far out', but so are rabble-rousing 'states rightists'. They are just on opposite ends of the constitutional spectrum.
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I have no idea where you get the idea that the states can or should "ignore the Bill of Rights." I've never suggested any such thing.
-Billybob-




"She did not see fit to mention the inconvenient detail that most death penalty cases in the US arise under the criminal laws of the various sovereign states, and that the US Constitution gives the subject of criminal law to the state governments themselves, acting on behalf of their own citizens.

The same point applied to the other example which she cited with favor, the Texas sodomy statute which the Court struck down, -- "
--from your article--






Since the texas sodomy law decision, you have been posting & writing threads advocating that states have the power to ignore our bill of rights in the writing of regulations on such issues as capital punishment of the mentally ill & sexual 'sin' laws, and that the USSC is running amok by striking down such laws.

When confronted, you attempt to bafflegab the issue with ploys about 'general & limited' government.

Why do you ~want~ states to have the power to write unreasonable 'law' about such issues as capital punishment of the mentally ill & sexual 'sin' laws?
60 posted on 11/03/2003 10:58:46 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & our republic, as usual, will lose.)
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