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A Ron Paul Republican: "I Hate Bush!"
dansargis.org ^ | November 6, 2003 | Dan Sargis

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:45:29 PM PST by Dr.Syn

 

 

 

A Ron Paul Republican:  "I Hate Bush!"

November 6, 2003

(In response to an article I wrote about Rush Limbaugh and chronic pain, a “Ron Paul Republican” reader expressed his disgust with Limbaugh.  I responded and asked a general question about those who disagree with the Republican mainstream, “...would they really rather have Hillary?”  The reader’s response to this was so sincere and well expressed that I decided to write him a response in the form of a long overdue statement to the “Bush Bashing” conservative community.  Below are the edited reader response and my reply.  For an unedited version of the entire stream you may reference this history.)  

Dear Dan: 

I have to vehemently disagree that Bush is any better than Hillary. We have lost much freedom under this regime not to mention Bush is the biggest spender since LBJ. 

I feel like the Republicans are rejecting Ron Paul as opposed to the other way around. The Republican platform has supposedly been for low taxes and less social welfare. Where is the beef?  I have no regard for a party that blathers about personal responsibility and freedom yet has done nothing to help overtaxed Americans attain that goal. 

I have no respect for Bush as a leader. He has done nothing to make Social Security an honest system or at least grant an option out. Taxes are still oppressive; anyone who believes that an extra $50 a year in my pocket is stimulating the economy is a damn fool.  

I am tired of "compromise" and being compromised out of what is rightfully mine. We know what the Democrats are, but if the Republicans can't work to abolish the income tax and various other federal agencies, then their lives are pretty useless to someone like me. 

Sincerely, 

A Frustrated and Overtaxed American 

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Dear Frustrated and Overtaxed American...  

Your reply was so well expressed; I have taken a few minutes from writing this week’s article to respond. 

I agree with almost all of what you say, although I do find myself freer under Bush than under Clinton.  Conservatives had their First Amendment rights rewarded with IRS audits and trumped up Justice Dept. indictments for telling the truth under Clinton.  It is easy to forget the facts of those eight years and that is why I am so happy that Olson, Coulter, Ingraham and others documented it so well in their books. 

Very little disagreement with your other points.  Although....   

Marginal tax rates have decreased under Bush while they increased under Clinton.  Clinton spent like crazy, without a war, and got away with it because of record tax revenues.  He should have paid down the debt in those “good” years and some people are under the false assumption that he did.  Actually, Clinton was able to create a “current year” surplus from an “irrationally exuberant” economy and still keep spending (as opposed to decreasing taxes or retiring federal debt).  Additionally, Greenspan “irrationally” reduced interest rates during the Lewinsky scandal which threw more gasoline on the economic fire and ultimately led to the grossly overvalued stock market meltdown.  You may read “A Piece of Cake and a Bottle of Wine” for some facts on this.   

With a slow economy and 9-11, Bush had no choice except to spend.  Had he tried to "balance the budget" in the face of liberal condemnation for any spending reductions, the Clinton recession would have become a New York Times certified Bush Depression.  Although, abstractly, I would have favored a deep-V recession to re-establish economic equilibrium...politically it was not a realistic alternative after 9-11.  While the liberals and elite media worship economic calamity...economic reality is beyond their grasp and honesty.  You might wish to read “The Economy...America’s Forgotten Terror” for some discussion on this. 

Believe me, the status quo of American politics makes me sick.  But...there are two realities which must be faced and dealt with.   

One is simple demographics.  Anybody trying to radically alter course would never be elected.  Between the population composition, enablers from the elite media and interest groups (i.e. non-profit “advocates” and organized labor); honest conservatives are morphed into Darth Vaders (or worse yet, “angry white males”).   

50% of those who file income tax returns pay almost no individual income taxes...and then there are those who don’t even bother to file (but get to vote).  Additionally, that bottom 50% is divvying up a $33 Billion Earned Income Credit pie.  As if all this weren’t insult enough to the taxpayer...politicians are tripping over each other to buy votes with ever expanding entitlement programs.  Whenever conservatives dare breathe the truth about this free buffet, they are labeled children haters and panderers to the “rich”.  Bear in mind that the liberal version of “rich” starts at an annual income level of about $28,000.  Not to be a bore, but you can reference “Even Liberals Know How to Loot” for some background. 

The second reality leads straight to the Judiciary.  There’s a reason that the Senate Democrats are perverting the Judicial confirmation process...the liberal courts have enabled the welfare state by rewriting the Constitution for more than 80 years and the Democrats politically profit from income redistribution.  Bush, or any conservative, has very little spending latitude or choice with mandated entitlements...they are court sanctioned.  F.D.R. packed the bench starting 80 years ago and the trend has spread into the lower courts.  Even the word “God” is becoming a violation of some idiot’s “rights”.   

Without a stable Republican majority in the Senate and a Republican president, there is zero hope of reversing this trend.  Without a constructionist majority in the Court there is no hope of rectifying the madness.  It has taken 80 years of corruption and sedition to create the mess facing America today.  Realigning a judiciary takes long-term strategy, tactics and commitment.  This is where the rubber meets the road. 

What was partially achievable under Reagan is almost impossible under Bush because of eight long Clinton years that distorted the expectations of entitlement and victim status in the U.S..."I am entitled to it because I 'Feel' I am" or "It is not my fault because I don't 'Feel' that I 'Should' be responsible".  If Bush and the Republican Congress can: return the country to maintainable prosperity; solve the WMD conundrum; prevail in the war on terrorism and renew the “spark” of American pride, the road will be paved for longer-term corrections.   

Unfortunately, this is not an overnight genesis.  Long-term corrective change requires long-term commitment to the mission of change.  Ron Paul is a good American with some excellent ideas.  But, he is not electable as President...not today.  The conservative family is a diverse and inclusive cross-section of America, but its goals should be uniform.  Unlike the liberals, conservatives do not revel in economic misery, institutionalized poverty, American deaths and the insignificance of the individual.  The one area of challenge for conservatives is the ability to place dogma aside and rely on rational thought to achieve the common good. 

To reiterate...I am sympathetic to your frustrations.  But a rigid adherence to dogmatic purity will only lead to disunity at a time that cries for unity.  Our soldiers overseas need unity, the economy needs unity, the middleclass needs unity and President Bush needs unity.  Contrary to my personal preferences, I am thinking about what is best for US.  Sometimes one must have some faith and stay the course.  This is a choice I have made...your choice is up to you.  And, unlike a dogmatic purist, I will respect the choice you make even if I disagree with it. 

Once again, thanks much for your courteous and well expressed opinions. 

Dan Sargis

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Some "conservatives" need to wake up!
1 posted on 11/06/2003 7:45:29 PM PST by Dr.Syn
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To: Dr.Syn
Come 2008, get all Freepers to unite and vote the most Conservative guy!

2004 We don't have a choice. It's Dubya or a bunch of socialists.

I was hoping Ahrnold wasn't elected in Calif.

I believe that if all Freepers and Lurkers unite and vote for one candidate, that guy/gal will always win.
2 posted on 11/06/2003 7:49:01 PM PST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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To: Dr.Syn
Wow, how original! (Not)

Another 'vote for Bush because those other guys are worse, and besides really good people can't get elected' bromide.

L

3 posted on 11/06/2003 7:52:33 PM PST by Lurker (Some people say you shouldn't kick a man when he's down. I say there's no better time to do it.)
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To: Dr.Syn
Anybody trying to radically alter course would never be elected.

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Not if that anybody is incompetent at explaining his case. Bush is a bland unenergetic uncreative follower of other people.

LBJ declared he would radically alter the course of the country and was elected. Clinton made some great changes and remains popular. Reagan made sharp departures from a 20 year trend. It's only the mindless spineless Bush family who it is claimed could never be elected if they altered the course of anything.

4 posted on 11/06/2003 8:01:03 PM PST by RLK
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To: Dr.Syn
Bump
5 posted on 11/06/2003 8:01:34 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: RebelBanker
Bump for later
6 posted on 11/06/2003 8:02:29 PM PST by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: Lurker
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7 posted on 11/06/2003 8:03:10 PM PST by Anthem (Voting is one thing... but culture trumps any campaign. What are you doing for the culture?)
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To: Dr.Syn
When the hard right offers up a plausible alternative vision to the social safety net that seems plausible to folks who are not ideologues, I am sure that they will get a greater share of their favored candidates elected. Until then, well, they are Ron Paul, who is squishy on national security issues, and lacks an interest on what happens off our shores, in a sort of a head in the sand way. Folks who whine about losing, without having honed the tools of persuasion, and haven't done the heavy lifting of vetting ideas among those with the right skills for analysis in a way to give them practical application, are well, just whiners.
8 posted on 11/06/2003 8:06:51 PM PST by Torie
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To: RLK
It's only the mindless spineless Bush family who it is claimed could never be elected if they altered the course of anything.

Your hatred of the Bushes is legendary, RLK.

Did you hear GW's speech today? It was every bit as historic as Reagan's "evil empire" speech.

You'll fill your Depends with whatever it is you fill it with while pontificating on this thread, but George W. is a great president, in spite of your contempt for him.

And you'll have to put up with him for another four years, bubba.

9 posted on 11/06/2003 8:07:01 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: RLK
It's only the mindless spineless Bush family who it is claimed could never be elected if they altered the course of anything.

Spot on, again, RLK.

Da Bush's are an utterly unremarkable lot.

10 posted on 11/06/2003 8:10:24 PM PST by Old Fud
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To: Dr.Syn
>> I have no respect for Bush as a leader. He has done nothing to make Social Security an honest system or at least grant an option out. Taxes are still oppressive; anyone who believes that an extra $50 a year in my pocket is stimulating the economy is a damn fool....

Sincerely,

A Frustrated and Overtaxed American <<

So, is he a liar, a fool, or just deluded. If under the Bush tax cuts his taxes only went down $50 a year, then he was only paying $50 a year. Droping the lowest marginal rate from 15% to 10% makes sure of that. When someone includes such blatently disingenuous material in their argument, they invalidate the whole argument. Hardly worth the time to read it!

Come back when you want to deal with truth and facts.


11 posted on 11/06/2003 8:13:39 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: Torie
There are a few reasons why I still hang around here.

Reason one being your posts.

Reason two of course being that I have yet to exhaust all possibilities for the letters O.W.K.

12 posted on 11/06/2003 8:13:56 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys -- Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Old Fud
Da Bush's are an utterly unremarkable lot.

As opposed to the insufferably idiotic Ron Paul, who thought that letters of marque and reprisal were the solution in Afghanistan?

Please.

13 posted on 11/06/2003 8:14:04 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Dr.Syn
"A Ron Paul Republican: "I Hate Bush!""

Who was it - PrisonPlanet.com's own Alex Jones?

14 posted on 11/06/2003 8:16:47 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Rush speaks on gutless 'Liberalism' (RealAudio files))
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks for the generous words, Luis. I just call them as I see them.
15 posted on 11/06/2003 8:18:54 PM PST by Torie
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To: Killborn
You either can't do math, or you just ignore the fact that a combination of FREEPERS and lurkers ( including their families ), couldn't elect a president,all by themselves, in '08 ( when Hillary is probably going to run, if she EVER does ), or anyother year. What WE can and MUST do, is keep as many DEms from getting elected to anything, as is humanly possible. That means that no matter HOW any of us feels, voting for a fringe party candidate is akin to taking poison.

Political naifs, who demand " ALL OR NOTHING ", get NOTHING. The purists and " MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THOUers " get the same. It's long past time for everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE, who considers themselves to be Conservatives, to stop looking for the MESSIAH and to work with who's not only available, but who is electable !

16 posted on 11/06/2003 8:25:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Old Fud
GWB is so much smarter and craftier than you ever thought its freakin you out man! Look at how he is basicly allowing the Dems to implode in front of our eyes and it is all his plan. Hey I love Reagan, I named my daughter after him, (not Ronald !), but Bush had the Dems figured out when he came into office. He knew they were loved to use issues for election purposes and not for the good of the people so he stole a few, took credit and got them off the table.

What IS a Dem now? Just a pissed off Sadam lovin' America hatin' Euro wanna be and the WHOLE FREAKIN COUNTRY CAN SEE IT EVERY TIME THEY OPEN THEIR FAT MOUTHS! I love it and its all because Bush plays the sweet lets get along, lets pass a partial birth abortion ban "What? you are for pulling a full term baby from the womb and sucking its brains out?" or how about " I've got some judges I would like you to consider "What you don't really love blacks and asians and Hispanics you only love ones who think like you?"

Man this guy is awesome and just so ya know because of Bush we will have close to 60 Senators next year because he has exposed the Liberals for the freakin frauds they are!
17 posted on 11/06/2003 8:27:06 PM PST by normy
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To: Killborn
Killborn
Since Nov 2, 2003
18 posted on 11/06/2003 8:28:13 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Luis Gonzalez
ROTFLOL !
19 posted on 11/06/2003 8:28:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Luis Gonzalez; William Wallace
LOL!!! Quit it, yer killin me!
20 posted on 11/06/2003 8:30:02 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Killborn
We should hope that Mark Sanford or Don Nickles runs, because thse two (particularly Sanford) are probably the only potential candidates I'd trust to seriously fight government spending.

It almost makes me sick to see so-called conservatives calling for Rudy or Powell or Condi (though her positions are less well known). It would be far better to nominate a true conservative and risk a loss than nominate another moderate, who still might lose, and see government continue to grow out of control.

What the last few years have taught me is that marginal Republican control is probably no better (and maybe worse) than split government unless the Republicans act like true conservatives.
21 posted on 11/06/2003 8:30:42 PM PST by Nathaniel Fischer (Herman Cain for Senate!)
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To: normy
GWB is so much smarter and craftier than you ever thought its freakin you out man!

Wow, baby. Thanks for wisin' me up.

22 posted on 11/06/2003 8:34:03 PM PST by Old Fud
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To: Old Fud
You are very welcome sir.
23 posted on 11/06/2003 8:35:00 PM PST by normy
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To: Killborn
Come 2008, get all Freepers to unite and vote the most Conservative guy!

well if the RATS and liberals use that logic they will nominate Kucinich.

24 posted on 11/06/2003 8:35:38 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: sinkspur
Da Bush's are an utterly unremarkable lot.

One more time, case ya missed it.

25 posted on 11/06/2003 8:36:15 PM PST by Old Fud
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To: Dr.Syn
When you third party types actually start winning elections and running cities, counties, states, and start to actually get into the dirty messy business of governing get to me (please). Until then third parties can only be considered debating societies.
Remember the object is to get your policies and idea into action and actually affect society, w/o that it's nothing more than political masterbation..it makes you feel good but in the end accomplishes nothing.
26 posted on 11/06/2003 8:38:28 PM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: Old Fud; RLK
One more time, case ya missed it.

So say you, and your geriatric compatriot, RLK.

George HW jumped out of a plane at the age of 75; you likely can't find your teeth in the morning.

27 posted on 11/06/2003 8:38:31 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Did you hear GW's speech today? It was every bit as historic as Reagan's "evil empire" speech.

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I hear people with low intelligence levels were impressed with it.

28 posted on 11/06/2003 8:39:22 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
I hear people with low intelligence levels were impressed with it.

No, it was impressive. You should have had your wife wake you from your nap.

29 posted on 11/06/2003 8:41:36 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: RLK
Obviously, not ALL " people with low intelligence, since you weren't.
30 posted on 11/06/2003 8:41:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; nopardons

Obscene With Kangaroos is way out in front at nearly every poll.

31 posted on 11/06/2003 8:43:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys -- Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: normy
[17]

Excellent response!

Diddley
32 posted on 11/06/2003 8:43:38 PM PST by Diddley (Even convicted murderers get an appeal, and a meal. [Save Terri!])
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To: Luis Gonzalez
hehehehehehehehehe ........................
33 posted on 11/06/2003 8:45:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
We should hope that Mark Sanford or Don Nickles runs, because thse two (particularly Sanford) are probably the only potential candidates I'd trust to seriously fight government spending.

Don't like Owens or Pawlenty, huh?

34 posted on 11/06/2003 8:45:19 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Red Sox in 2004)
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To: RLK
"It's only the mindless spineless Bush family who it is claimed could never be elected if they altered the course of anything."

They did?

Remarkable!

Could you provide me with a link to that claim so that I may examine their statements?

35 posted on 11/06/2003 8:45:55 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys -- Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: nopardons
1. Stopping Dems is a good idea.

@. How much Freepers and Ljurkers do we have, from your response, my estimation might be off, way off.
36 posted on 11/06/2003 8:47:27 PM PST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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To: sinkspur
George HW jumped out of a plane at the age of 75;

Making him, of course, wildly admirable.

... you likely can't find your teeth in the morning.

Never had a cavity in my life, Mary.

37 posted on 11/06/2003 8:49:33 PM PST by Old Fud
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Yes I am a newbie.

I believe that the membership of FreeRepublic and it's lurkers is huge. That's why I have so much confidence in my statement. I may be wrong.
38 posted on 11/06/2003 8:50:28 PM PST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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To: Diddley
Thank you, ya see we have always known what the Libs were all about, if they cant justify themselves they call you a racist or nazi or you hate children or the environment, but they have been able to sucker the uninformed because no one wants to be those things. Bush is causing the Dems to become those things in front of our eyes, because they have always been them, everyone now just gets to see it.
39 posted on 11/06/2003 8:50:34 PM PST by normy
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To: sinkspur
George HW jumped out of a plane at the age of 75

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Did it accomplish anything for the country, or was it just another empty jesture to argue he had hair on his chest while being a wimp at all else?

40 posted on 11/06/2003 8:51:00 PM PST by RLK
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To: Killborn
I haven't looked lately, but somewhere around 200,000 actives, with a whole lot more inactive/duplicate nics/unsigned up lurlers. And those figures don't account for other variables.

The fact is, that Howard Deans' on line supporters and a few other LIBERAL ( no, NOT DU ! ) sites are much MORE active/relevant, in politics, than FR is. Fr should/could be much more influential, but we aren't. Why ? For any number of reason, not the least of which is because it's so Balkanized and fragmented.

41 posted on 11/06/2003 8:53:25 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Killborn
Boy, are YOU mightily wrong about FR ! LOL

But, welcome to the gang. :-)

42 posted on 11/06/2003 8:54:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: sinkspur
George HW jumped out of a plane at the age of 75...

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I'd be more impressed if he refused to present Ted Kennedy with the national service award given by the kooks running his library, and booted those kooks out the back door. That, of course, is beyond his capacity for courage and indignation. That's why I despise the Bushs.

43 posted on 11/06/2003 8:57:13 PM PST by RLK
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To: Torie
Thank You for your post!
44 posted on 11/06/2003 8:57:37 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: RLK
"Bush is a bland unenergetic uncreative follower of other people."

Unbelievably projection. Bush scares the crap out of the Dems because he's the most radical Republican president since Lincoln. (Reagan was wonderful, and radical for his time, but Bush is radical for all time, like Lincoln.)

You're going to read the history books in 20 or 30 years and feel like a total freaking idiot.
45 posted on 11/06/2003 8:59:44 PM PST by walden
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To: Killborn
Welcome to FR.
46 posted on 11/06/2003 9:00:47 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: walden
Why wait 20 years?!
47 posted on 11/06/2003 9:01:29 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Thanks :)
48 posted on 11/06/2003 9:01:40 PM PST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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To: walden
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation."
-- George Washington
49 posted on 11/06/2003 9:02:43 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: nopardons
DANGGIT!

My number is way off. :(
50 posted on 11/06/2003 9:03:38 PM PST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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