[Quix]

Depends on one's definitions, I suppose.

I think it's anti-freedom to insist that I breathe smokers smoke AT ALL.

I think it's anti-freedom to require me to give a portion of my hard earned money to support lung cancer and heart failure treatments because of a willfully chosen rebellion against health and common sense.

I have also observed that most smokers tend more than a little to hold their cigarettes somewhat akin to folks who enjoy showing their middle finger in a certain posture.

This observation has led me to realize, finally--in my 56th year . . . DUH! . . . that there's more than a little chronic rebellion running around loose in most smokers, if not all.

And you want require me to aid and abet your life destroying, assaultive, addiction against my will?

And you think that's FREEDOM?

[JennysCool]

there's more than a little chronic rebellion running around loose in most smokers

Good Lord! That might indicate they're ... Shudder ... AMERICANS!

[tbird5]

I think it's anti-freedom to insist that I sit next to fat people, ugly or stupid people AT ALL.

I think it's anti-freedom to require me to give a portion of my hard earned money to support heart failure in the obese,free education for the masses, and food stamps to the obese poor because of a willfully chosen rebellion against health and common sense.

I have also observed that most fat and stupid people tend more than a little to hold their lifestyle somewhat akin to folks who enjoy showing their middle finger in a certain posture.

This observation has led me to realize, finally--in my 50th year . . . DUH! . . . that there's more than a little chronic rebellion running around loose in most fat and dumb folks, if not all.

And you want require me to aid and abet your life destroying, assaultive, addiction against my will?

And you think that's FREEDOM?

[185JHP]

Smokers yapping, filled with the rebel's pride, remind me of a PSA I'd like to see - (it's a paraphrase of an old PSA about drunks) "If they're sick, let's help them! But first, let's get 'em out of our air!" A big problem for them - we nonsmokers know about patches and gum...

[supercat]

I think it's anti-freedom to insist that I breathe smokers smoke AT ALL.

Then stay out of places where smokers congregate.

If a business owner decides that he prefers the business of smokers to the business of people like you, what right have you to complain? If you don't like the policies of a business, go to a business whose policies are more to your liking. Generally, the marketplace will ensure that when different people have different contradictory desires in how they are served, different businesses will emerge that serve people differently. At least when government allows that to happen.

[philetus]

Your a ,gov. take care of me ,idiot.

[Great Dane]

#4..... You make absolutely no sense.

[Max McGarrity]

I think it's anti-freedom to insist that I breathe smokers smoke AT ALL. p>I agree. Fortunately no one has ever "insisted" that you do so.

I think it's anti-freedom to require me to give a portion of my hard earned money to support lung cancer and heart failure treatments because of a willfully chosen rebellion against health and common sense./i>/p>

Then you have a beef with bad drivers, fat folks and many others in this society, but not with smokers--the ONLY group that pays their own way and more.

I have also observed that most smokers tend more than a little to hold their cigarettes somewhat akin to folks who enjoy showing their middle finger in a certain posture.

This observation has led me to realize, finally--in my 56th year . . . DUH! . . . that there's more than a little chronic rebellion running around loose in most smokers, if not all.

And you want require me to aid and abet your life destroying, assaultive, addiction against my will?

Of course not. You shouldn't have to do anything against your will. It should be your CHOICE to enter or stay out of places where people who WANT to be there go to smoke and relax. At the owner''s discretion, of course.

And you think that's FREEDOM?

Sure do. I'd like to hear your explanation of how having a choice isn't freedom.

[carpio]

I think it's anti-freedom to insist that I breathe smokers smoke AT ALL.

Careful, that is too logical for insertion into a Smoking/Anti-Smoking thread. I am rabidly against the smoking ordinances that prohibit smoking in private businesses. I don't like smoke but I am not forced to go to private businesses where smoking takes place. That is fair enough for me.

But I too am amazed that people feel that their desire to smoke entitles them to foul the air and litter the ground with Butts in publicly owned places like Parks and beaches. My taxes help pay for these places I have a right to breathe there. And a right not to have my clothes ruined. And a right to walk on sand or soil rather than cigarrette Butt litter.

I have a standing deal with smokers in public parks. If they don't blow smoke on me or litter the ground with Butts I won't exercise my right to urinate in their picnic basket.

[CSM]

"I think it's anti-freedom to insist that I breathe smokers smoke AT ALL."

Please provide an example where you are forced to inhale second hand smoke!