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Sorry for the rant, but I had to let it out somehow.
1 posted on 11/13/2003 7:27:20 PM PST by vannrox
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The senate should just have a vote--forget the rules, just vote. What are the dems going to do--go to court? Can't, the courts will not intervene in parlimentary legislative matters. Vote, have the judges take a seat and tell the dems to go to ----
2 posted on 11/13/2003 7:31:15 PM PST by Founding Father
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"OK. So now most of the Senators on the Democrat side will be gone...what are you going to do about it? Are you, as SERVENTS of the PEOPLE going to do your job, or are you going to go visit some influencial members of industry and get some free lap dances? What is it going to be?"

My guess is the latter.

3 posted on 11/13/2003 7:31:37 PM PST by Reagan79 (Pro Life! Pro Family! Pro Reagan!)
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They still need 60 votes to break the filibuster, even if the Democrats go. They still need 51 votes for the nuclear option, and they don't have them.
4 posted on 11/13/2003 7:31:43 PM PST by Physicist
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Just need to keep it in session, call for cloture votes every 5 hours from now until the election in 04.

Extreme? Yah, but doable. It'll keep them from leaving Washington, nothing else will get done, no spending bills will pass, saving billions of taxpayer dollars.

Shooooooooie! This is what we need!
5 posted on 11/13/2003 7:32:11 PM PST by Stopislamnow
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Maybe the dems are fleeing DC because their friends in Al Quaida tipped them off to stay out of DC, NY and LA!!!!
6 posted on 11/13/2003 7:32:50 PM PST by Coroner
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Don't blow a gasket...... rupture a gut...... pull a muscle..... get the vapors....... or break out in hives....

Tomorrow the sun rise in the east, shine it's life giving light and it will be a nice day....... have a nice one
7 posted on 11/13/2003 7:37:50 PM PST by deport
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Why can't the Reppubies just hold a vote, if it is over 51, then send the Justices to their appointed benches and be done with it. Send them to where ever Mr. President Bush appointed them. What can the demons do about it?? Tell them that their silly fillibuster doesn't count in this instance and be done with it! Move on!
9 posted on 11/13/2003 7:43:30 PM PST by Ethyl
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Keep it going!..Keep it going!..Keep it going!..Keep it going!..Keep it going!..Keep it going!..Keep it going!..
going!..going!..going!going!..going.... going!..going!..!
11 posted on 11/13/2003 8:01:27 PM PST by The Mayor (Through prayer, finite man draws upon the power of the infinite God.)
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Sorry for the rant, but I had to let it out somehow.

No problem! We all know the feeling.

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13 posted on 11/13/2003 8:06:45 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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Demoncrapts are harder on minorities and women that are conservatives than white males..........look at the record!
17 posted on 11/13/2003 8:45:16 PM PST by Ethyl
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AMEN. STRONGLY AGREE!
31 posted on 11/13/2003 9:23:27 PM PST by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 associate at a time)
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yuck, the goobers are scattering... :) where is my can of raid?
36 posted on 11/14/2003 1:48:43 AM PST by Cate
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One problem. The intent of the US Senate was not to serve the interests of the people, that is what the US House is for. The intent of the Senate was to serve the interest of the STATES. It started downhill when US Senators started to be elected by popular vote, which should have never happened.
39 posted on 11/14/2003 2:01:06 AM PST by I_dmc
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I'll post this for the fourth time in 24 hours. Maybe eventually enough folks will get it.

Why Not Go 24/7 on Judges?

The Issue: Republicans are permitting Democrats to get away with a “gentlemen’s filibuster” on the judicial confirmations. But to win, Republicans must force Democrats to talk 24/7 until they break.

Response: Despite conventional wisdom “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,” a “bring-in-the-cots” counter-measure has never been successful in breaking a filibuster. This is true even in their hey-day, when Democrat Majority Leaders fought southern Democrats. Only compromise has stopped a filibuster, and, in other cases, those who filibustered prevailed. Moreover, the 24/7 counter-measure is not what many think it would be under the Senate rules. It is impossible to force Democrats to “talk till they drop” or “read from the phone book.”

1. It’s impossible to force Democrats to talk about a nominee beyond the first three hours of the legislative day. After that, they can talk about the war, the economy, or anything they want.

2. If Democrats tire of talking, they can simply suggest the absence of a quorum, which requires 51 Senators to show up to continue conducting business. If a quorum does not appear, the Senate must adjourn or at least suspend its proceedings until a quorum is established.

Consider this scenario: Democrats run out of things to say about a judge at 11 p.m. The Minority Leader suggests the absence of a quorum:

• Option A: Not enough Senators respond. The Senate is "stuck," and it must adjourn. Under this scenario, both parties sleep soundly through the night.

• Option B: A quorum is produced because all Republicans show up (Democrats can keep sleeping) and then debate on judges resumes. Under this scenario, Republicans are awake, and Democrats sleep. This works to the advantage of the filibustering Senators, so the burden rests on the Majority to ensure that the constitutional quorum requirement always can be met.

• Option C: Not enough Senators respond and the Sergeant At Arms is dispatched to bring absent Senators to the Chamber to vote. Once the quorum is produced, debate resumes. But at 2 a.m., the Democrats again note the absence of a quorum and once again the Republicans are back to Options A, B, or C.

According to Stan Bach of the Congressional Research Service (Filibusters and Cloture in the Senate, 1/17/01):

“… late-night or all-night sessions put as much or more of a burden on the proponents of the question being debated than on its opponents. The Senators participating in the filibuster need only ensure that at least one of their number always is present on the floor to speak. The proponents of the question, however, need to ensure that a majority of the Senate is present or at least available to respond to a quorum call or roll call vote. . . . This works to the advantage of the filibustering Senators, so the burden rests on their opponents to ensure that the constitutional quorum requirement always can be met.”

Therefore, all-night counter-filibuster measures, while possibly great drama, are, in truth, maintained by the Majority, not the filibustering minority. Democrats may not show up for quorum calls, but Republicans need to stay up for nights on end to keep the Senate in session around the clock. Additionally, there may be long, drawn-out quorum calls in the middle of the night rather than Democratic Senators reading from the phone book and laboring to stay on their feet. So it doesn’t look as dramatic as what Hollywood did with “Mr. Smith.”

24/7 is a tactic for a sprint strategy, not a long distance run. Of course, a sprint sometimes has its purposes in the middle or at the end of even the longest races…

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1018598/post

44 posted on 11/14/2003 6:00:33 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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