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Armed Forces Journal editorial

RBCD Performance Plus Ammunition, San Antonio, TX

Clay Block on Left: Shot with a 230 gr. Hydroshok 45 ACP.
Clay Block on the Right: Shot with RBCD Performance Plus 90 gr. TFSP 45 ACP.

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Ping!

[FreedomPoster]

But Bulmer insists that tests in ballistic gelatin fail to demonstrate RBCD ammo’s actual performance because the gelatin is chilled to 36 degrees. Their bullets seem to shatter most effectively only when they strike warmer targets, such as live tissue. Bulmer said tests using live animals clearly would show its effects. Despite his appeals for such testing, and the funds set aside by Congress to conduct new tests, the military refuses.

It's time to shoot some goats and lay this question to rest, PETA be damned.

[G.Mason]

Very interesting.

Thanks for the post.

[G.Mason]

RBCD ammo

[Arkie2]

Sounds like it violates the Geneva convention re: ammo. It will probably never be approved by the army.

[Woahhs]

WTF?

Comparing the performance of two pistol rounds to the 5.56 is absurd. The operate on different principles. It's like testing the performance of a car running on hay! They know better than that.

[RippleFire]

bump

[the crow]

great post. thanks for your sharp eye. hope you are well.

[chuknospam]

bump for later

[Heatseeker]

He said he feels qualified to assess a bullet’s effects, having trained as a special-operations medic and having shot people with various types of ammo...

I think Saddam better hope there's not too many of these guys in Iraq! Otherwise, please page all remaining heavenly virgins to the reception area...

[Joe Brower]

I saw this post and I immediately thought of you guys. $:-)

Please ping all the other good people that I missed!

Leave it to archy to find this kinda stuff!

[auboy]

Butt Shot Bump

[PGalt]

Interesting information. Thanks for posting.

[Revelation 911]

“It entered his butt and completely destroyed everything in the lower left section of his stomach ... everything was torn apart,”

it sucks to be him

[Centurion2000]

I've seen some of their ammo used ... it's good stuff.

The 454 round they sell is an EXTREMELY hot round

[elmer fudd]

There is no magic bullet out there. Unless they contain explosives or poison their potential wounding effects will be governed by their kinetic energy, frontal area and bullet design. Bullets designed to fragment, expand, tumble or penetrate are nothing new. They have all been around for decades.

Every couple of years you hear about some new "super bullet". Some, like the Black Talons, are actually pretty good, but none are ever revolutionary. We've basically known how bullets work for about 100 years now and there's not much you can do to them that hasn't already been done.

[Kenton]

OK, let me make a prediction here. Remember the "Rhino Ammo" hoax a few years back, when an article came out about some fictional new bullet that was even nastier than the much ballyhooed Black Talon round?

Within a few weeks, we will see the Brady Bunch pick up on this and the fact that it's sold to civilians. This will be something else to stir up anti-gun hysteria, create something else to ban, as well as provide another reason to demonize gun shows.

I'd bet money on it. We will see.

[ijcr]

The truth is that we are attempting to get a quart out of a pint pot. No amount of tinkering with the bullet will improve the 5.56mm.
The effectiveness of the .308-7.62mm is without question, which is why it remains the calibre of the machine gun and
the sniper rifle.
It is going to take a gutsy call by someone in the Pentagon to finally end this boondogle.

[Paladin2b]

Thomas, a security consultant with a private company contracted by the government

Anyone know which PMCs (Private Military Companies, aka mercs) have been awarded contracts in Iraq? I'm guessing MPRI, I'm just wondering if there might be others.

[Dead Corpse]

Veddy inderestink.

Anyone else find the following line morbidly funny?
He said he feels qualified to assess a bullet?s effects, having trained as a special-operations medic and having shot people with various types of ammo,...

FWIW, "blended" metals would have some radically different expansion rates than regular clad or hollowpoint bullets. Think of it as the differnce between putting your hands together flat, palm to palm, and slidding them. Versus interlocking your fingers and doing the same.

Whether this would be enough to account for the radical expansion noted in the article, I don't know. My guess would be "maybe". It'd definately be different from other regular frangible rounds.