1 posted on
12/03/2003 3:11:16 AM PST by
archy
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Ping!
2 posted on
12/03/2003 3:14:48 AM PST by
archy
(Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
To: archy
But Bulmer insists that tests in ballistic gelatin fail to demonstrate RBCD ammos actual performance because the gelatin is chilled to 36 degrees. Their bullets seem to shatter most effectively only when they strike warmer targets, such as live tissue. Bulmer said tests using live animals clearly would show its effects. Despite his appeals for such testing, and the funds set aside by Congress to conduct new tests, the military refuses. It's time to shoot some goats and lay this question to rest, PETA be damned.
3 posted on
12/03/2003 3:19:50 AM PST by
FreedomPoster
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To: archy
Very interesting.
Thanks for the post.
4 posted on
12/03/2003 3:25:30 AM PST by
G.Mason
To: archy; All
5 posted on
12/03/2003 3:29:28 AM PST by
G.Mason
To: archy
Sounds like it violates the Geneva convention re: ammo. It will probably never be approved by the army.
6 posted on
12/03/2003 3:35:58 AM PST by
Arkie2
To: archy
WTF?
Comparing the performance of two pistol rounds to the 5.56 is absurd. The operate on different principles. It's like testing the performance of a car running on hay! They know better than that.
7 posted on
12/03/2003 3:41:22 AM PST by
Woahhs
To: archy
bump
To: archy
great post. thanks for your sharp eye. hope you are well.
9 posted on
12/03/2003 3:48:32 AM PST by
the crow
To: archy
bump for later
To: archy
He said he feels qualified to assess a bullets effects, having trained as a special-operations medic and having shot people with various types of ammo... I think Saddam better hope there's not too many of these guys in Iraq! Otherwise, please page all remaining heavenly virgins to the reception area...
To: Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Jeff Head; SLB; Mulder; El Gato; King Prout
I saw this post and I immediately thought of you guys. $:-)
Please ping all the other good people that I missed!
Leave it to archy to find this kinda stuff!
15 posted on
12/03/2003 4:19:52 AM PST by
Joe Brower
("If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever." - G. Orwell)
To: archy
Butt Shot Bump
19 posted on
12/03/2003 4:23:06 AM PST by
auboy
(I'm out here on the front lines, sleep in peace tonight–American Soldier–Toby Keith, Chuck Cannon)
To: archy
Interesting information. Thanks for posting.
24 posted on
12/03/2003 4:30:34 AM PST by
PGalt
To: archy
It entered his butt and completely destroyed everything in the lower left section of his stomach ... everything was torn apart, it sucks to be him
To: archy
I've seen some of their ammo used ... it's good stuff.
The 454 round they sell is an EXTREMELY hot round
33 posted on
12/03/2003 5:39:07 AM PST by
Centurion2000
(Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
To: archy
There is no magic bullet out there. Unless they contain explosives or poison their potential wounding effects will be governed by their kinetic energy, frontal area and bullet design. Bullets designed to fragment, expand, tumble or penetrate are nothing new. They have all been around for decades.
Every couple of years you hear about some new "super bullet". Some, like the Black Talons, are actually pretty good, but none are ever revolutionary. We've basically known how bullets work for about 100 years now and there's not much you can do to them that hasn't already been done.
To: archy
OK, let me make a prediction here. Remember the "Rhino Ammo" hoax a few years back, when an article came out about some fictional new bullet that was even nastier than the much ballyhooed Black Talon round?
Within a few weeks, we will see the Brady Bunch pick up on this and the fact that it's sold to civilians. This will be something else to stir up anti-gun hysteria, create something else to ban, as well as provide another reason to demonize gun shows.
I'd bet money on it. We will see.
37 posted on
12/03/2003 6:26:43 AM PST by
Kenton
To: archy
The truth is that we are attempting to get a quart out of a pint pot. No amount of tinkering with the bullet will improve the 5.56mm.
The effectiveness of the .308-7.62mm is without question, which is why it remains the calibre of the machine gun and
the sniper rifle.
It is going to take a gutsy call by someone in the Pentagon to finally end this boondogle.
38 posted on
12/03/2003 6:42:40 AM PST by
ijcr
(Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
To: archy
Thomas, a security consultant with a private company contracted by the government
Anyone know which PMCs (Private Military Companies, aka mercs) have been awarded contracts in Iraq? I'm guessing MPRI, I'm just wondering if there might be others.
To: archy
Veddy inderestink.
Anyone else find the following line morbidly funny?
He said he feels qualified to assess a bullet?s effects, having trained as a special-operations medic and having shot people with various types of ammo,...
FWIW, "blended" metals would have some radically different expansion rates than regular clad or hollowpoint bullets. Think of it as the differnce between putting your hands together flat, palm to palm, and slidding them. Versus interlocking your fingers and doing the same.
Whether this would be enough to account for the radical expansion noted in the article, I don't know. My guess would be "maybe". It'd definately be different from other regular frangible rounds.
43 posted on
12/03/2003 7:15:29 AM PST by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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