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They Want Your Children
The New American ^ | June 8, 1998 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 12/03/2003 2:27:20 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 12/03/2003 2:27:20 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks. For my class reading.
2 posted on 12/03/2003 2:39:20 PM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bttt
3 posted on 12/03/2003 2:41:06 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In March 1997, Douglas Matthews, the faculty adviser to the "gay-straight alliance" at Algonquin Regional High School, distributed a "Questionnaire about Heterosexuality" to students in a freshman history class. The questionnaire was designed to expose and rebuke "homophobic" attitudes among students. Among the questions contained in the handout was the following: "If you’ve never slept with a person of the same sex and enjoyed it, is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover?"

History class???????

4 posted on 12/03/2003 2:45:25 PM PST by ladylib
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
5 posted on 12/03/2003 2:47:58 PM PST by onedoug
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To: ladylib
I think I'm going to be ill.
This is EXACTLY why my boys are in a private Christian school.
6 posted on 12/03/2003 2:57:50 PM PST by Indie (Orwell was only a couple dozen years ahead of his time.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yeah, leave it to public schools to keep kids away from tobacco but cheer them on as they march towards a future of STD's and AIDS.
7 posted on 12/03/2003 3:13:34 PM PST by FormerLib
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Homosexuality is a chosen behavior with self-destructive consequences.

The hysterical homophobic rantings of William Norman Grigg and his ilk give all thinking conservatives a bad name.

It is self-evident that sexual orientation is not a chosen behavior. Most people know which sex they are attracted to at a very early age... without being told anything by their parents or peers.

Stating that homosexuality is a chosen behavior defies all logic. Given the social stigma attached to homosexuals, one would have to be a idiot to voluntarily choose this lifestyle.

Grigg highlights many serious problems with the public schools, but to begin an article with faulty logic seriously undermines his credibility.

8 posted on 12/03/2003 4:01:46 PM PST by vox humana
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To: vox humana
Given the social stigma attached to homosexuals, one would have to be a idiot to voluntarily choose this lifestyle.

Times they are achanging. In lots of places, it's quite the thing to "realize" one is gay these days. And if you're not, well then, knowing and socializing with gays is the next best thing. It's all so very elite.

While skeptical, I'm open to the idea that some very minor percentage of the population is gay through biological error. I believe the other 99.6% of "gay people" are so only because it's "as seen on TV".

9 posted on 12/03/2003 4:14:50 PM PST by workerbee
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To: Tailgunner Joe
A sad and angry, BTTT
10 posted on 12/03/2003 4:21:30 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (I'm goin' to LoganLand!)
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To: scripter
ping
11 posted on 12/03/2003 4:24:26 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: vox humana; onedoug; All
The hysterical homophobic rantings of William Norman Grigg and his ilk give all thinking conservatives a bad name.

I think that's his purpose --

Young people sometimes fall prey to it in early adolescence; the initial repugnance provoked by the vice in many cases yields to fascination and eventually results in addiction.

Please! Let me rephrase that for him:

"It's dangerous to talk about. Just by reading these words, you can begin to feel a fascination, a burning demonic impulse, an un-con-TRO-O-O-O-L-able urge to enjoy the addicive, irresistable, forbidden naughty goodness of delicious secret fun that your parents don't want you to know about yet. You wan it, but you cant have it. You want it, but you can't ha-a-ve it. You WANT it, so BAD, but you can't can't CAN'T .. STOP THINKING ... about it! A compuslion! A craving ... that won't go away. An exciting *itch* that gets worse the more you *scratch it*, so you *scratch it more*, but then it feels even better to *scratch it*....oh God, oh no ... aaah ... aaah ... HELP!"

My perception of Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality runs along the same lines.

Is there an existing term for this particular form of propaganda?

12 posted on 12/03/2003 4:48:09 PM PST by Yeti
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To: Yeti
Is there an existing term for this particular form of propaganda?

If you feel that the the deconstrution of Western civilization should not be fought, then you'll be fought, at least here.

13 posted on 12/03/2003 5:16:32 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Thanks for the ping. This one sounds familiar - I'll look.
14 posted on 12/03/2003 5:33:07 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: onedoug; All
Okay doug. I guess I'l make my stand right here: I am dead-set against fighting the deconstruction of Western Civilization. I'm an antinondeconstructionist, and proud of it.

"ask me anything!"

15 posted on 12/03/2003 5:37:09 PM PST by Yeti (Sigh.)
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To: vox humana
It is self-evident that sexual orientation is not a chosen behavior. Most people know which sex they are attracted to at a very early age... without being told anything by their parents or peers. [ other stuff deleted ]

Actually, you're wrong and your using choice incorrectly. It's a little difficult to explain... The experts state the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. You can read what they say here. Or you read what I consider to be a good summary of the issues:

There have been quite a few studies on genetics and homosexuality. All of them have demonstrated there is no gay gene, have been discredited, or the text of the article were shown to be completely unrelated to the title of the article. The pro-homosexual bias can be very obvious at times.

Simon Levay has often been touted as having found the gay gene, yet he found no such evidence:

Simon LeVay, in his study of the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men, offered the following criticisms of his own research:
"It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.
All the evidence in support of genetics and homosexuality can be similarly summarized. In regards to the APAs decision to delete homosexuality from the diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association, Simon Levay further stated:
"Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."

I quote Simon Levay because his work is often used to support something it never supported. Levay is a gay advocate.

What the evidence does support is the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. The fact that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle further supports the scientific studies.

The following is pulled from here:

...The following is just one of the many developmental pathways that can lead to homosexuality, but a common one. In reality, every person's "road" to sexual expression is individual, however many common lengths it may share with those of others.

(1) Our scenario starts with birth. The boy (for example) who one day may go on to struggle with homosexuality is born with certain features that are somewhat more common among homosexuals than in the population at large. Some of these traits might be inherited (genetic), while others might have been caused by the "intrauterine environment" (hormones). What this means is that a youngster without these traits will be somewhat less likely to become homosexual later than someone with them.

What are these traits? If we could identify them precisely, many of them would turn out to be gifts rather than "problems," for example a "sensitive" disposition, a strong creative drive, a keen aesthetic sense. Some of these, such as greater sensitivity, could be related to - or even the same as - physiological traits that also cause trouble, such as a greater-than-average anxiety response to any given stimulus.

No one knows with certainty just what these heritable characteristics are; at present we only have hints. Were we free to study homosexuality properly (uninfluenced by political agendas) we would certainly soon clarify these factors - just as we are doing in less contentious areas. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the behavior "homosexuality" is itself directly inherited.

There are 11 additional references at the above link which I encourage everyone to read, as it's my opinion the above summarizes the homosexual factors quite well. At this time there are no scientific arguments against the above. Unfortunately we're labeled all kinds of things if we don't just tolerate homosexual behavior, but we're supposed to accept it as valid.

And that's ridiculous. Stop and think about it. Not just tolerate, but accept a behavior that results in severe health hazards. A behavior that can, and should be, changed. The madness must stop. The truth must be told.

16 posted on 12/03/2003 5:45:19 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: workerbee
While skeptical, I'm open to the idea that some very minor percentage of the population is gay through biological error.

Please checkout post 16.

17 posted on 12/03/2003 5:47:02 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Mr. Clinton declared, "Children have to be taught to hate. We need to make sure someone is teaching them not to do so."

Who taught the Hollyweird activists to hate, Bill? Are you going to step up to the plate and condemn the hate of the Hate Bush rally, or is that okay?

18 posted on 12/03/2003 5:57:33 PM PST by Lizavetta (Savage was right. Extreme liberalness is a mental disorder)
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To: vox humana
Another threebie heard from; they're thick as flies this year.
19 posted on 12/03/2003 6:16:50 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Yeti
"It's dangerous to talk about. Just by reading these words, you can begin to feel a fascination, a burning demonic impulse, an un-con-TRO-O-O-O-L-able urge to enjoy the addicive, irresistable, forbidden naughty goodness of delicious secret fun that your parents don't want you to know about yet. You wan it, but you cant have it. You want it, but you can't ha-a-ve it. You WANT it, so BAD, but you can't can't CAN'T .. STOP THINKING ... about it! A compuslion! A craving ... that won't go away. An exciting *itch* that gets worse the more you *scratch it*, so you *scratch it more*, but then it feels even better to *scratch it*....oh God, oh no ... aaah ... aaah ... HELP!"

For a moment I thought he was talking about Free Republic. :-)

20 posted on 12/03/2003 7:11:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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