Flu Vaccine Makers (both) Are Out Of The Vaccine

Fox News ^ | 12-5-2003 | Shep Smith

[blam]

Flu Vaccine Makers Are Out Of The Vaccine

Shep Smith just announced on a Fox News Alert that both makers of the flu vaccine have announced that they are out of the vaccine.

Demand this year has been five time greater than in previous years.

Please add to this story/thread as the news comes in. Thanks.

[ngc6656]

The answers to most of your questions can be found at this Centers for Disease Control (CDC) site:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/flu/fluinfo.htm

Sorry, I haven't learned to post links here that are clickable.

Basically, if an adult less than 60 years old is in good health, his/her body is able to survive the ravages of flu provided they do not develop pneumonia. Pneumonia apparently is the leading cause of death among those who contract flu.

[!1776!]

People. Get educated. This "flu" vaccine is very dangerous. Want hard stats? Go to:

Hmmm.

Glad my kids aren't faced with polio, smallpox, etc.

People worried about the dangers of vaccinations really should spend some time review just how high of a toll some of these diseases took on people.

But I guess if you don't have to worry about polio crippling your child you have time to worry about the vaccinations...

[tiki]

It could just be a fluke and it isn't something that they claim or put on the label but I always catch everything and usually spend the late fall and winter with something or other. This year I got a cold in September and got some of that Zycam I was feeling great in a few days so I've been using it once a day since then. I haven't had anything even though I've been exposed.

Just to be on the safe side I did go get a shot this morning:-}

[tiki]

Have you ever had pnuemonia? Pleurisy? I'd rather take my chances and have the shot. I've been exposed to all kinds of things in my life and none of them tested in humans as much as the flu vaccine.

[aristeides]

It will have spread a lot further than that over Thanksgiving weekend. I came down with something a couple of days ago that I hope is just a cold. (Symptoms are not severe, but I got a flu shot in October.) I suspect I caught it traveling on the train over Thanksgiving weekend.

[tiki]

I read that it was for those over 5 and under 50 but worked well.

[trajanus_red]

Below are more quotes from legitimate authorities. Accusations that I am a troll are further demonstrations of your own ignorance and lack of self-education. You swallow and regurgitate everything. Just because I offer a different point of view and one that might just save a life, don't attack me as if you are a savage animal with nothing to back up what YOU say.

""The combined death rate from scarlet fever, diphtheria, whooping cough and measles among children up to fifteen shows that nearly 90 percent of the total decline in mortality between 1860 and 1965 had occurred before the introduction of antibiotics and widespread immunization. In part, this recession may be attributed to improved housing and to a decrease in the virulence of micro-organisms, but by far the most important factor was a higher host-resistance due to better nutrition.""
Ivan Illich, Medical Nemesis (Bantam Books, 1977)

""The principal evidence that... vaccines are effective actually dates from the more recent period, during which time the dreaded polio epidemics of the 1940s and 1950s have never reappeared in the developed countries; and measles, mumps and rubella, which even a generation ago were among the commonest diseases of childhood, have become far less prevalent, at least in their classic acute forms, since the triple MMR vaccine was introduced into common use.

""Yet how the vaccines actually accomplish these changes is not nearly as well understood as most people like to think it is. The disturbing possibility they they act in some other way than by producing a genuine immunity is suggested by the fact that the diseases in question have continued to break out even in highly immunized populations, and that in such cases the observed differences in incidence and severity between immunized and unimmunized persons have tended to be far less dramatic than expected, and in some cases, not measurably significant at all.

""In a recent British outbreak of whooping cough, for example, even fully immunized children contracted the disease in fairly large numbers; and the rates of serious complications and death were reduced only slightly. In another recent outbreak of pertussis, 46 of the 85 fully immunized children studied eventually contracted the disease.

""In 1977, 34 new cases of measles were reported on the campus of UCLA, in a population that was supposedly 91% immune, according to careful serological testing. Another 20 cases of measles were reported in the Pecos, New Mexico, area within a period of a few months in 1981, and 75% of them had been fully immunized, some of them quite recently. A survey of sixth-graders in a well-immunized urban community revealed that about 15% of this age group are still susceptible to rubella, a figure essentially identical with that of the pre-vaccine era.

""Finally, although the overall incidence of typical acute measles in the U.S. has dropped sharply from about 400,000 cases annually in the early 1960s to about 30,000 cases by 1974-76, the death rate remained exactly the same; and, with the peak incidence now occurring in adolescents and young adults, the risk of pneumonia and demonstrable liver abnormalities has actually increased substantially, according to one recent study, to well over 3% and 2%, respectively.""
Richard Moskowitz, MD, The Case Against Immunizations, 1983,
American Institute of Homeopathy.


""Of all reported whooping cough cases between 1979 and 1984 in children over 7 months of age - that is, old enough to have received the primary course of the DPT shots (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus) - 41% occurred in children who had received three or more shots and 22% in children who had one or two immunizations.

""Among children under 7 months of age who had whooping cough, 34% had been immunized between one and three times...

""... Based on the only U.S. findings on adverse DPT reactions, an FDA-financed study at the University of California, Los Angeles, one out of every 350 children will have a convulsion; one in 180 children will experience high-pitched screaming; and one in 66 will have a fever of 105 degrees or more.""
Jennifer Hyman, Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, New York, special supplement on DPT, dated April, 1987.

""A study undertaken in 1979 at the University of California, Los Angeles, under the sponsorship of the Food and Drug Administration, and which has been confirmed by other studies, indicates that in the U.S.A. approximately 1,000 infants die annually as a direct result of DPT vaccinations, and these are classified as SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) deaths. These represent about 10 to 15% of the total number of SIDS deaths occurring annually in the U.S.A. (between 8,000 and 10,000 depending on which statistics are used).""
Leon Chaitow, Vaccination and Immunization, CW Daniel Company Limited, Saffron Walden, Essex, England, 1987.


""Assistant Secretary of Health Edward Brandt, Jr., MD, testifying before the U.S. Senate Committee on Labor and Human Resources, rounded... figures off to 9,000 cases of convulsions, 9,000 cases of collapse, and 17,000 cases of high-pitched screaming for a total of 35,000 acute neurological reactions occurring within forty-eight hours of a DPT shot among America's children every year.""
DPT: A Shot in the Dark, by Harris L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fischer, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich.

""While 70-80% of British children were immunized against pertussis in 1970-71, the rate is now 39%. The committee predicts that the next pertussis epidemic will probably turn out to be more severe than the one in 1974/75. However, they do not explain why, in 1970/71, there were more than 33,000 cases of pertussis with 41 fatal cases among the very well immunized British child population; whereas in 1974/75, with a declining rate of vaccination, a pertussis epidemic caused only 25,000 cases with 25 fatalities.""
Wolfgang Ehrengut, Lancet, Feb. 18, 1978, p. 370.

""... Barker and Pichichero, in a prospective study of 1232 children in Denver, Colorado, found after DTP that only 7% of those vaccinated were free from untoward reactions, which included pyrexia (53%), acute behavioral changes (82%), prolonged screaming (13%), and listlessness, anorexia and vomiting. 71% of those receiving second injections of DTP experienced two or more of the reactions monitored.""
Lancet, May 28, 1983, p. 1217

""Publications by the World Health Organization show that diphtheria is steadily declining in most European countries, including those in which there has been no immunization. The decline began long before vaccination was developed. There is certainly no guarantee that vaccination will protect a child against the disease; in fact, over 30,000 cases of diphtheria have been recorded in the United Kingdom in fully immunized children.""
Leon Chaitow, Vaccination and Immunization, p. 58.


Taken from: http://nomorefakenews.com/archives/archiveview.php?key=1366

[deport]

Flu Vaccine Runs Out

The Associated Press

December 5, 2003, 4:48 PM EST

The two makers of flu shots in the United States said Friday they have run out of vaccine and will not be able to meet a surge in demand resulting from fears of a particularly bad flu season.

Nevertheless, the companies said people who have put off getting their shots may still be able to find them, since distributors and doctors' offices may still have some left.

The companies, Chiron and Aventis Pasteur, together made about 80 million doses of the injected vaccine, which ordinarily would be enough to take care of U.S. demand.

"Because of the recent outbreak, we've seen an unprecedented surge of vaccine orders late in the season," said Len Lavenda, an Aventis spokesman. "As a result, we have now shipped all our available supplies."

"It's all been shipped out," said Chiron's John Gallagher. "We began shipping in August. It's all gone at this point."

The companies said they cannot make more vaccine this year, because the process takes four months. By that time, the flu season would be over.

Another alternative is the FluMist, the more expensive inhaled version of the vaccine. Its maker, MedImmune Vaccines, made between 4 million and 5 million doses this year. Spokeswoman Jamie Lacey said that as of Nov. 18, the company had sold 400,000 doses, and "there is still a wide supply available."

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that in a typical year, between 70 million and 75 million Americans get the shots, and the record is 80 million.

Dr. Julie Gerberding, the CDC head, said that this year more people than usual got flu shots in October and November, and there is unusually high interest in December.

The CDC said it is not unusual for supplies to run short this time of year, as health care providers stop giving vaccinations. The agency said it is working to locate supplies that can be sent where they are needed.

"What we are telling people is there is still vaccine in the pipeline, although we are not sure how much," Lavenda said. "People who want to get a flu shot this year should not wait any longer. They will have to be persistent."

In Colorado's El Paso County, health director Rosemary Bakes-Martin said her agency hoped to order 2,000 doses this week but could come up with just 500 from suppliers.

"The story they're telling us is that they weren't expecting this shortage, that they were hit with increased orders in the last

[radiohead]

we had a young guy die here in seattle the other day. didn't even make it to the hospital. the child of one of my colleagues was just released from the hospital after a bout w/the flu.

i get my shot early, being diabetic. yesterday i made sure my young adult son got his. why take a chance?

from what i've read, the pandemic of 1918 was different from a typical flu outbreak in that it hit young, previously healthy, adults as well as the usual old and sick people.

maybe i've been listening to too much art bell. i thought a lot of this talk of an epidemic was a bit much, but from what i'm seeing on the news, maybe not.

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WHOOPS.........

Most of the outbreak this fall has been a strain called A-Fujian-H3N2, which was not selected for this year's flu vaccine, according to the CDC. Health experts say the strain is closely related to the strain the vaccine targets, A-Panama-H3N2.

[Ditter]

I have had 12 people in for Thanksgiving dinner too. Believe me, that will give you a headache. Feel better soon.

[riri]

Well, blam, that'll teach you to invite the world onto your island...LOL

About ten days ago my little guy was very sick. High fever for three days that tylenol wouldn't even budge. Throwing up, not eating, some coughing, etc.

My husband, daughter and I got the shot, he did not. I got a little sick, my daughter and husband never got sick.

I brought him in to the pediatrician and she said no, it couldn't be the flu, it was too early. I said well, it is a little coincidental that we all with the shot are fine and he is this ill. She said no, you three must have just fought the virus off and he didn't. I didn't have the heart to tell her there isn't a virus on earth that I fight off with much success. I am hoping it was.

I am in a quagmire about whether to bring him in and get a shot or if going in to the office where all the children, undoubtedly, are there with the flu is just assinine at this point.

But then again, vaccine may be gone. Ai yi yi.

[steve86]

Health experts say the strain is closely related to the strain the vaccine targets, A-Panama-H3N2.

I'd like to know if the degree of cross-resistance they claim, between A-Fujian and A-Panama, is theoretical or based on empirical studies.

My granddaughters and I had this year's vaccine, but the young girls were supposed to get vaccine boosters in two weeks, and I guess those won't be available.

[prairiebreeze]

I don't doubt you were sick but it wasn't from the shot. Influenza vaccine is not made from live vaccine.

Likely you were exposed prior to receiving the shot and were in the incubation period.

Prairie

[prairiebreeze]

Now that's a good question about the nasal vaccine supply. It's new and I didn't remember about it until you mentioned it, but my understanding is that it is made from live vaccine and can cause some cold-like, sniffly symptoms.

Also, I'm not certain if insurances are covering it.

Prairie

[Judith Anne]

Neither hospital where I work has the nose spray vaccine. Thanks for the idea, though...

[TBall]

I went to Medimune news and found this. While they are talking about the nasal version, I bet the shot also protects as well.

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031205/1513000630_4.html

[!1776!]

Below are more quotes from legitimate authorities. Accusations that I am a troll are further demonstrations of your own ignorance and lack of self-education.

Using your self education, please point out where I called you a troll.

Also, using your extesive self education please explain how polio and small pox have been virtually wiped out since the introduction of vaccination programs without relying on the vaccination program itself.

You swallow and regurgitate everything.

Huh? Tough to stay nurished that way.

Just because I offer a different point of view and one that might just save a life,

And my point of view is different than yours, and by the way it has saved many lives.

don't attack me as if you are a savage animal with nothing to back up what YOU say.

I will stop thinking that you are an idiot, when you can explain the virtual elimiation of polio and smallpox through any other means than vaccination programs.

Until then, I will continue to believe that the fact that you have time to worry about the side effects of vaccincations is due to the fact that vaccinations have widely reduced (or in some cases eliminated) tragic illness.

[steve86]

Good information. Maybe someone really obsessive could get both the shot and the nasal mist, sort of like doubling up. I won't go that far.

[TBall]

I'm not getting either, but then again I'm young, strong, and not so bright. I did make sure grandma got her shot.