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HUGH HEWITT SHOW NOW: Frank Gaffney Confronts Grover Norquist on His Promotion of Islamists
Hugh Hewitt Show

Posted on 12/09/2003 3:15:14 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl

Basing the discussion on Frank Gaffney's article on Frontpagemag.com, an issue people have been wondering about for a while is being confronted now on the Hugh Hewitt show: What is Grover Norquist's deal?


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KRLA 870am. Anyone knows how to link, please do.
1 posted on 12/09/2003 3:15:15 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: rantblogger; monkeyshine; hole_n_one; lainie; RonDog; ALOHA RONNIE; tame
Are you listening?
2 posted on 12/09/2003 3:15:57 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Oh, I'd like to hear that!

Tell him to wait until I get to my car, around 3:40!

Oh wait -- it's Hugh. He'll replay. But when?

Dan
3 posted on 12/09/2003 3:16:24 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Cinnamon Girl
So far Norquist denies everything.
5 posted on 12/09/2003 3:18:55 PM PST by Weimdog
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To: BibChr
His show plays over and over for the next 24 hours on the KRLA website. So you'd be able to hear this hour at 6pm, I think.
6 posted on 12/09/2003 3:19:55 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Weimdog
I've never heard Grover's voice before, but he sounds nervous to me.
7 posted on 12/09/2003 3:20:17 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Weimdog
Here is a link to the article, which is long: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11209
8 posted on 12/09/2003 3:21:27 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: BibChr
Frank is asserting that Grover is associated with Islamist groups and promotes them to be influential in government.
9 posted on 12/09/2003 3:22:40 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
The FR threads

A Troubling Influence - An Islamic Fifth Column penetrates the White House

A Troubling Influence [about Grover Norquist]

10 posted on 12/09/2003 3:26:21 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I think any guy who goes up against Frank Gaffney has to be pretty cocky.
11 posted on 12/09/2003 3:27:18 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
It will be real interesting to see what he has to say. I read the story earlier, I might read it again, it's very informative, very long, and a good summary of all the details in one article.
12 posted on 12/09/2003 3:29:11 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Anyone that will share a stage with Alec Baldwin and Ralph Neas is suspect in my opinion, regardless of his conservative bona fides. I just can't figure out why he would have allowed himself to be manipulated like this?
13 posted on 12/09/2003 3:30:34 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing (Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, the French and Germans only gargle)
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To: Indy Pendance; UltraConservative
This conversation is on fire! Frank just said Grover has called him a racist and a biggot for Frank's expressed concerns about the arab-muslim groups Grover is associated with.
14 posted on 12/09/2003 3:31:03 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Frank is asserting that Grover is associated with Islamist groups and promotes them to be influential in government.

Just plug "Norquist" into the FR search engine, there's years of stories about this.

15 posted on 12/09/2003 3:33:44 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy; *Hugh Hewitt
Hugh professes to be friends with Grover for the last 25 years. I wonder if this changes anything.
16 posted on 12/09/2003 3:34:44 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
CAIR, American Muslim Assoc., I don't care if they are linked to terrorist or not, I hear what they say on T.V., I see their refusal to criticize Islamo-fascists, they are dirt as far as I am concerned. No self respecting American, nevertheless conservative, should be found in company of such groups.
17 posted on 12/09/2003 3:35:06 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing (Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, the French and Germans only gargle)
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To: Shermy
Yeah, but have you ever heard him speak to the matter directly?
18 posted on 12/09/2003 3:35:17 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Thanks for doing this thread. I won't be able to stay, but will be back later.
19 posted on 12/09/2003 3:36:49 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: The Vast Right Wing
Grover denies any meeting with Sami Al Arien. Frank said he SAW with his own eyes, Sami go into Grover's office and meet for about 2 hours.
20 posted on 12/09/2003 3:37:28 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Indy Pendance
You're welcome. Frank says Grover has become party to an agenda of activists that are not working with President Bush, but are working with OUR ENEMIES in the war.
21 posted on 12/09/2003 3:38:39 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Was Grover in his office that day? Should be easy to find out.
22 posted on 12/09/2003 3:39:00 PM PST by Seeking the truth (McDonald Clan - Hired Mercenary - Have Bullhorn - Will Shout for Brew!)
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To: Seeking the truth
Grover sounds breathless right now, like someone who is very excited with nerves. Frank sounds confident in his assertions. Grover is now saying people should go to Islamists.org or something to see that they support liberty.
23 posted on 12/09/2003 3:40:21 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I have WAITED for Grover to be confronted. Gaffney is the perfect person. 'Bout time!
24 posted on 12/09/2003 3:41:17 PM PST by onyx
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Yeah, but have you ever heard him speak to the matter directly?

Not much, that's true.

25 posted on 12/09/2003 3:42:10 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Seeking the truth
Excluding the possibility of some totally personal gripe, which seems unlikely for Frank Gaffney, there is no beneficial reason for Frank to assert that Grover met with Sami, whereas, there is every reason for Grover to, in retrospect, deny having met with him.
26 posted on 12/09/2003 3:42:17 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Grover has been a very positive force in politics for a generation, but the same could have been said for Buchanan. I hope Grover didn't go around the bend or something.
27 posted on 12/09/2003 3:42:28 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing (Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, the French and Germans only gargle)
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To: The Vast Right Wing
But that's exactly Frank's assertion. That Grover isn't a team Bush player. He's a team Islamo-fascist player.
28 posted on 12/09/2003 3:44:19 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
they're on break now but ended with Grover simply stating that while all of the associations noted by Gaffney are likely true the conclusions one would reach about Grover should not be asserted because he - Grover - himself - states he has done nothing wrong other than associate with and support the terrorist groups. This was the point where I gave up and figure Gaffney is right on point and Grover should not be associating with known terrorists ... back on now!
29 posted on 12/09/2003 3:44:46 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I read the article and it is very damning. Grover has not said one thing to convince me it is all a mix-up, I just can't understand why? If he was used by these people, unwittingly, then all he needs to do is fess-up. If not, he is no patriot.
30 posted on 12/09/2003 3:45:56 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing (Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, the French and Germans only gargle)
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To: Steven W.; generalissimoduane
He claims he's been doing outreach with Orthodox Jews. If that was ever true, it can't be now.

This has to be the hottest show Hugh has had in a while. The football stuff was a snooze.

31 posted on 12/09/2003 3:46:32 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
One bad thing? Start with embarrassing POTUS when, on Grover's word to Carl Rove, a couple of Islamo-facists were present at a mosque where POTUS spoke.
32 posted on 12/09/2003 3:48:35 PM PST by onyx
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To: Indy Pendance
Frank has a calm eloquence which reminds me of Daniel Pipes. Very straight arrows.

Frank is quoting John Zobgy as saying that Grover is essential to the WH outreach to Muslim groups, and got Sami Al Arien into a meeting with Karl Rove in 2002.

33 posted on 12/09/2003 3:50:27 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: onyx
Is Kalid Sifari an Islamist? Frank says Kahlid has sympathies with suicide bombers, funding their families, and has links to al Queda supporting organizations. Grover denies this.
34 posted on 12/09/2003 3:52:23 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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ping
35 posted on 12/09/2003 3:52:38 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Yes, according to everything I've read. Grover is lying. He's trying desperately to weasel out of it. Debbie Shussel wrote about this over one year ago. I am telling you, I have WAITED for this very day.
36 posted on 12/09/2003 3:54:13 PM PST by onyx
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Grover seems to be only denying that he ever got any of these people meetings with administration officials. Norquist claims all of these characters are above the board, democracy lovers.
37 posted on 12/09/2003 3:56:46 PM PST by Weimdog
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To: RonDog
Summary: Grover says Frank isn't allowed at the "Center Right Coalition" because he raised issued about some muslims at the White House. He's saying Frank has financial problems and that's why he's attacking Grover. !!!

Frank says he believes Grover has been persuading GOP candidates to meet with CAIR, Muslim Council, some other group in LA-- he says people should look at his article and Grover's website and make their own decision about what's up.

38 posted on 12/09/2003 3:58:48 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: BibChr
Hugh just said he's replaying this whole conversation in the third hour of his show which is like 9pm in LA or something because Savage's show gets wedged in there.
39 posted on 12/09/2003 4:00:08 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl; RonDog; ALOHA RONNIE
Thank you for this thread, Cinnamon Girl. I otherwise would have missed Hugh's show this afternoon!

RD & RA: Repeating in 3rd hour.
40 posted on 12/09/2003 4:00:37 PM PST by onyx
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To: Cinnamon Girl
This was a troubling debate. If Grover was anybody other than who he is I would say Gaffney has him skewered.
41 posted on 12/09/2003 4:00:53 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Cinnamon Girl; montag813
Norquist (Islamofascist stooge) slams Frank Gaffney

FoxNews Channel | 02/07/2003 | self

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:09:14 PM PST by montag813

"Did anyone see Grover Norquist viciously slam Frank Gaffney for daring to question surrendering the GOP to Islamic extremists? He just did it on John Gibson's show. Norquist is nothing but a stooge for Islamofascists. He actually claimed that no extremists or anyone even espousing or supporting extremist views could ever gain entry to the White House due to SS "vetting". Gee, so how did those three imams on tape calling for America and Israel's destruction end up in the post-Sept 11 meeting with Bush? Norquist actually said "people with a higher security clearance than Frank Gaffney will ever have" were giving prudent advice to the President regarding how wonderful Islam is. Perhaps he forgets that he has never had any security clearance and that Gaffney was Deputy Secretary of Defense. How insulting this little gerbil is. Gaffney was a gentleman, very reserved and reasoned. Norquist was a maniac, hurling nasty insults and questions about Gaffney's mental health. Digusting.

42 posted on 12/09/2003 4:01:13 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Steven W.
I don't know all Grover's credentials and don't get why he has such pull. Can someone sh'splain it out for me?
43 posted on 12/09/2003 4:02:26 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Weimdog
BTTT. Very informative show.
44 posted on 12/09/2003 4:06:09 PM PST by RightWingMama
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I believe that Grover was instrumental in "behind-the-scenes" work to elect W. However, his support turned out to bite the administration in the butt later. On the other hand, Gaffney doesn't pull much weight on the inside either. Both appear to be doing much arm-waving to get attention. However, if one were to error on one side or the other, I would suggest that Frank has the interest of the country above his own interests. I'm not sure I can say the same of Grover.
45 posted on 12/09/2003 4:08:12 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I don't know either, but Hugh Hewitt's silence is interesting to say the least.


46 posted on 12/09/2003 4:09:51 PM PST by Weimdog
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To: Shermy
I remember the Fox channel 'confrontation'. All Grover could do was hurl the race card, much like the dems and muslims do. Pathetic.
47 posted on 12/09/2003 4:09:56 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench
Hurling the race card should pretty much tell you he doesn't have a believable response.
48 posted on 12/09/2003 4:16:53 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing (Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, the French and Germans only gargle)
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To: The Vast Right Wing
Now he's hurling the "financial trouble" card insinuating that Gaffney's only doing this because he needs money.
49 posted on 12/09/2003 4:20:41 PM PST by Seeking the truth (McDonald Clan - Hired Mercenary - Have Bullhorn - Will Shout for Brew!)
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To: Seeking the truth
Why is it that Grover is so concerned about money??? Maybe his Saud friends are paying his bills???
50 posted on 12/09/2003 4:26:10 PM PST by Coroner
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