Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party

vanity ^ | 12/17/03 | Destro

[Destro]

In a discussion on this thread Tom Ridge's Immigration Remarks Draw Fire a post regarding the conservative angst about the recent campaign finance reform that Bush signed into law and that the Supreme Court approved (and the approval was praised by the White House), on the heals of the Medicare entitlement enacted under a Republican controlled government the following was posted:

I'm hearing Rush now. He claims the republicans have ONLY one party to go to. He has put this issue squarely on the problem. We need to vote outside of this corrupt party apparatus.

12 posted on 12/11/2003 12:39:52 PM EST by Digger

I also heard this on Rush and my blood boiled. Rush said conservatives have no place else to go and thus will continue to vote as a block to the Republicans.....and then it hit me. That is exactly what we conservatives lament about Blacks and the Democratic party. Black Democrats who vote straight Democratic and are rewarded by being ignored.

In other words, Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party!!!

I urge the same solution to Republican conservatives that Black conservatives offer to Black Democrats. QUIT! Become independents and let the parties fight for our votes. If we can't take the GOP back we should leave the GOP.

I did not change. My party did. I thank God Ronald Reagan is unable to comprehend what is happening to the party he saved.

[Destro]

Thanks for inspiring me.

[TomServo]

Bump

[nhoward14]

Why are you taking a conversation from another thread and starting a new one?

[Destro]

Becase it is outside the topic of that thread - but it inspired me to start a vanity on my thoughts.

[Consort]

Can't you find a better analogy than a racist one?

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party...

Does that mean we get a twenty per cent head start on everything, free college tuition, free tutors if we can't pass, first crack at plum civil service jobs, and no one's allowed to say anything bad about us in public?

Or does it mean we're screwed?

What about reparations?

[Beelzebubba]

Can't you find a better analogy than a racist one?

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There is nothing racist in the words or ideas posted that I can discern. Did you mean "racial"? And if so, why does it bother you?

[af_vet_1981]

I urge the same solution to Republican conservatives that Black conservatives offer to Black Democrats. QUIT! Become independents and let the parties fight for our votes. If we can't take the GOP back we should leave the GOP.

I'll count you as another conservative for Dean.
Yeah, right ...

[DLfromthedesert]

Does it really make a difference which party destroys America?

[DLfromthedesert]

See my post # 10.

[Destro]

What's the difference?

[farmfriend]

ping

[massadvj]

Interesting analogy. Personally, after the prescription drug and campaign finance fiascos, I've decided to withhold my vote for Bush this time around. I will vote for Toomey to unseat Specter and for Santorum. But RINO's and Neocons are in many ways worse for America than liberals and therefore undeserving of my vote.

[TonyRo76]

I heard this on Rush a little while ago, too. This is all a perfect illustration of why I'm a conservative first, and Republican second.

I'll always be a conservative, but if the current trends continue, then the Pubbies and I may have to part company someday.

[Consort]

QUIT!

You can't quit, you're fired.

Become independents and let the parties fight for our votes.

That's the way it right now for many voters. You're a little behind the curve.

If we can't take the GOP back we should leave the GOP.

Yes, you can be a loser within or outside the GOP. The GOP base is more than just conservatives.

[BlackbirdSST]

This will get a lot of praise from folk's like us, because it's as true as the sun rising and setting, but the bots will show nothing but contempt, if they even bother to comment. It's easier to ignore the truth than have to accept it. I'm not saying I'll never vote republicrat again, but I am highly motivated to split this gubermint. At least the pub's acted like they had a little sense. IMO, too much is getting done. Blackbird.

[WhiteGuy]

See here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/710795/posts


MY VOTE IS FOR SALE
Vanity | July 4, 2002 | B. A. Conservative


Posted on 07/04/2002 9:16:32 AM EDT by B. A. Conservative


It is beyond challenge that most, if not all, of the problems America faces today originate in Washington. It is fallacious reasoning to suggest that the problem lies with the people of the United States. Our government is a republic. Our republic is predicated on the theory that those elected to public office have intellectual competence, educational skills or experience that exceeds that of the electorate and that those elected public leaders will do what is right for the country even in opposition to commonly perceived public opinion. During most of the past century, the political class has demonstrably failed to lead, but have instead become political prostitutes selling laws and benefits in exchange for votes transforming our Constitutional republic into a tyrannical mob-rule democracy destined for bankruptcy. Non-producing parasites now use the Democratic Party to prey on their neighbors, the still producing members of our country.

Under our Constitution, the power of the United States resides in We the people. For too long, we have allowed that power to be delegated or sold by the prostitutes in both political parties, primarily those in Washington. Clearly, ours has become a top>down government. As one voice among We the people, I think it is time to withhold the delegation of that power by only delegating it to selected politicians and then only with strings attached. FreeRepublic is a much larger segment of We the people, with a much larger voice. We at FreeRepublic are the roots of the grassroots. Newcomers and some that have been frequenting this site for years may deny that Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives because of the discussions that took place on this web site. They are wrong. Our voice is loud and it is heard in the Halls of Congress and in the Whitehouse. The stain that will be remembered in history is not the stain on Monica's dress; it is the stain of Impeachment. And that stain came from the computer ink that spilled from the hearts of Freepers determined to see justice done. We at FreeRepublic are the roots of the grassroots. The buck starts here.

There has been a great deal of discussion on FreeRepublic lately about what role we should play in this fall's election and that we should cut Bush and the Republicans some slack. Variations of this theme have been discussed on other threads: "THAT which you believe"---"An open letter to Republicans" by redrock. I particularly like the comments by DoughtyOne and "Move the RINOs and we move the party. I really think it's that simple," by NickDanger.

Ronald Reagan won two landslide elections by telling Americans he was going to cut the government in Washington down to size. The Contract with America gave the Republicans control of both houses of Congress for the first time in roughly thirty years. Prior to the Contract with America Republicans only had control of even one house in Congress one other time in 70 years. The lesson that Republicans seem to have difficulty in learning is that the people are conservative and when presented a conservative agenda they will vote for it. And conversely, when pandering is all that is offered, the public prefers the real prostitutes every time. I have a solution to this problem. I call it the


Contract with Congress
I am not giving my vote to anybody in November. I have decided to auction my vote in this fall's Congressional elections. Politicians are going to have to bid for my vote. I have decided not to exclude any particular politicians or parties from the bidding. And I have decided to attach some rules to the bidding itself:


There is a minimum bid.
Anyone defaulting on any part of the minimum bid will be barred from consideration for future auctions.
A public pledge to guarantee to bring the minimum bid to the floor for a vote is an acceptable alternative to a written and signed contract, although anyone offering a written and signed contract similar in format to the Contract with America will be given preference.
Any part of the minimum bid or "contract" not enacted into law will be supported and returned to the floor in the next or subsequent sessions of Congress as required until enacted into law.
If there are no acceptable bids for my vote in Congressional races per the rules above, my vote (normally Republican straight ticket) will not be cast at all.
Minimum Bid:

Complete scrapping of Title 26, Subtitle A-Income Taxes.
Replacement of the Income Tax with the Fair Tax, the Flat Tax, or a combination of the two.
The growth of government spending is unacceptable. I not only want it stopped; I demand that it be reversed by at least 2% per cent per year for at least the next two years. In 2004, I will re-evaluate to determine whether or not the rate of reduction should be adjusted for future years.
No more socialism. That means no new payments to individuals except for services rendered or goods purchased. That means no new grants to organizations, public or private, and no new grants to state or local governments.
Immediately begin the voluntary privatization of Social Security using the Cato plan.
This is only the Minimum. There are a number of suggested options that politicians could add now or that we will add in future contracts for future elections.

Suggested Options:

Amend the Constitution to provide for Term Limits for members of Congress and the Federal Judiciary.
Sunset law for all Federal Regulations not reauthorized within five years.
Sunset law for all Federal agencies not reauthorized within five years.
Balanced Budget Amendment that allows deficit spending only when there has been a Declaration of War by Congress or by a 60% majority vote of both houses of Congress when and if there is a previously accumulated saved surplus that is larger than the proposed deficit or by a two thirds majority vote in both houses if there is no saved surplus or the saved surplus is less than the proposed deficit.
All votes in both houses will be roll call votes electronically recorded and electronically verified by key encryption, password enabled.
Constitutional Amendment allowing Line Item Veto by the President.
Change the rules of the Senate eliminating the filibuster.
Constitutional Amendment repealing the XVII Amendment to the Constitution.
Abolish the Department of Education.
Most of these problems would eventually be solved by Term Limits. I think the Term Limits Amendment should be saved as part of the ultimate threat packaged as a part of a package to be presented under Article V to a Constitutional Convention. It takes time to put together sufficient public arousal and support to apply the kind of pressure that we may need to bring to bear on people who are used to exerting power rather than being subjected to it.

[stainlessbanner]

The GOP base is more than just conservatives.

What is it then?

[joesbucks]

Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party!!!

C O O L ! ! ! Now I'm gonna get all the goodies that blacks are getting.

[af_vet_1981]

What's the difference between Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, or Howard Dean as President and George W. Bush ?
Do the words honor, duty, country mean nothing to you ?
Do you not care that Islamic terrorists crashed planes into our principal city and capital and want to completely destroy our nation ?

No, I think not. You want to pimp political equivalence. After 8 long years of Bill and Hillary Clinton polluting the White House, after the first attacks on our capital since 1812, after the brave heroism of American service members, I don't want to hear your garbage. Treason, cowardice, and surrender are not on my shopping list this year.

[Protagoras]

I'll count you as another conservative for Dean. Yeah, right ...

It must be tough watching the demise of the illusion.

[Prime Choice]

The GOP base is more than just conservatives.

Pray tell then, what do you think is the majority of the "GOP base"?

[Consort]

...why does it bother you?

It's demeaning and can be racial and racist, as you know.

[Consort]

...what do you think is the majority of the "GOP base"?

Probably the combined liberal and moderate republicans.

[looscnnn]

How about a write in for Zel Miller?

[Consort]

See #25.

[Prime Choice]

Probably the combined liberal and moderate republicans.

And what are liberal republicans? They always struck me as internal rot; subversive refugees from the Democratic party. But that's just my opinion.

[Dane]

How about a write in for Zel Miller?

Zell Miller is now one of the plague according to the conservatives of all conservatives on FR. He voted for CFR.

[Angelus Errare]

I have wrestled with a lot of these dilemmas over the course of the last two years in large part because, going to the UN aside, I've approved of Bush's foreign policy and am quite frankly terrified at the prospect of Dean getting into office because of what he would do to us in regards to the war.

On the other hand, Bush's domestic policy has been far, far from ideal especially on the areas of fiscal conservatism with his government spending spree as well as social conservativism with his extreme reluctance to throw his support behind Senator Frist's DMA or even to address the kind of judicial abuse that led to the DMA being needed to begin with.

Now what I like to try to remain hopeful of is that Bush is going to recognize that he is losing horribly with his base and make changes to rectify his mistakes - otherwise I see a very real scenario where a low conservative turn-out could give us a President Dean. And if that happens, God help us all.

[af_vet_1981]

It must be tough watching the demise of the illusion.

What illusion ?
The illusion that people who call themselves conservatives haven't learned the lesson of 8 years of Hillary in the WH ? The illusion that some people are too stupid or evil to know the difference between George W. Bush and Dean/Clinton/Clark ?

That illusion ?

[Bikers4Bush]

I'm thinking of going to the Constitution party.

[flashbunny]

Do you even know the definition of racism? It's the belief that one race is superior to another. Do you see anything like that here?

In case you don't comprehend the analogy, democrats have taken the black vote for granted because of the belief in the 'where else are they going to go?' philosphy. They keep promising them what they want to hear to get their vote but faili to deliver. That's becoming true of the republican party. They'll give lip service to some conservative ideals, but end up going with big government instead, because who else are the conservatives going to vote for?

[Dane]

And if that happens, God help us all

God helps those that help themselves, and if you allow a Dean Presidency, you ain't helping.

[af_vet_1981]

How about a write in for Zel Miller?

No, that is dereliction of duty and cowardice under fire. There is only one right vote in 2004. The correct solution to the general problem is the impeachment and removal of selected judges from office and heavy lobbying for conservative judges nominated by President Bush.

[Mr. Mojo]

It's true. The Republicrats know we have nowhere else to go, and they take full advantage of that fact. Yesterday I officially changed my voter registration (I'm now a Independent). I'll still vote for individual Pubbies, but they're now going to have to earn my vote in a big way. No more "voting the lesser of two evils" nonsense. .....It's a sucker vote.

[bayourod]

"I thank God Ronald Reagan is unable to comprehend what is happening to the party he saved. "

There were people like you around when Reagan was President (I was one of them) who said the same things about Reagan that you are saying about Bush.

20 years from now people will be saying the same things about that President and wishing for the good old days of Bush.

[Protagoras]

What illusion ?

The illusion that there is any difference in substance. The illusion that Republicans defend the constitution. The illusion that people like you can count on conservatives to be continually scared into voting for Dem-lite. The illusion that people will give you their votes forever no matter how much you belittle and insult them and that you will get them to vote for your choice while you call them evil and stupid.

That illusion.

[af_vet_1981]

Sorry, I don't buy your Hillary Clinton product. Try another house.

[KantianBurke]

I would chalk Bush Sr.'s electoral defeat in 1992 up to the loss of his conservative base due to among many reasons his braking the no new taxes pledge, the ADA and of course the appointment of Justice Souter. Perot was the end result of Bush losing his base, not the cause.

[Protagoras]

No, that is dereliction of duty and cowardice under fire. There is only one right vote in 2004. The correct solution to the general problem is the impeachment and removal of selected judges from office and heavy lobbying for conservative judges nominated by President Bush.

I guess you will run right out and do as he says since he showed you that you were a derelict and a coward.

[mhking]

Aw, just damn!

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[Protagoras]

Sorry, I don't buy your Hillary Clinton product. Try another house.

Thank you for the concession of the points made.

[TonyRo76]

I'm thinking of going to the Constitution party.

Good party! I really like their ideas. I just keep thinking...the Republicans themselves were a small, “fringe” party before the 1860 election.

It could just happen over the course of the next few elections...with the Democrats utterly marginalized and demolished as a political force, more traditional liberals (“moderates”) will move into the GOP, paving the way for a conservative exodus to the Constitution Party and...next thing you know, the CP becomes a major player and the conservative alternative to the Republicrats!

Thus, we'd still be a two-party country: Republicans (liberal) and Constitutionists (conservative). That'd suit me just fine!

All we need is a 21st-c. Abe Lincoln...only more telegenic :)

[Protagoras]

You aren't helpful. That makes you the enemy. I know it's true, Dane said so. And she is always correct.

[af_vet_1981]

I concede nothing to you. I consider you an advocate for treason, cowardice, or surrender. Take your pick.

[Dane]

I guess you will run right out and do as he says since he showed you that you were a derelict and a coward

Huh trying to defeat a dean Presidency is not cowardly. The cowardly act is letting a dean Presidency happen. Just like you guys did by helping elect a clinton Presidency.

[Protagoras]

I assume you can get on the black conservative ping list if you aren't black. If so, please add me. Thanks

[Stentor]

Trolling? Hey maybe all the trolls will come to this thread like terrorists to Iraq. You've taken legitimate criticisms and decided the only thing to do is promote defeatism. Tell me when you turn blue from holding your breath.

[TonyRo76]

All we need is a 21st-c. Abe Lincoln...

By that of course, I mean a unifying figure who can get elected; not someone who'll expand the central government's power over the states à la the first Lincoln.