Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party

vanity ^ | 12/17/03 | Destro

[Destro]

In a discussion on this thread Tom Ridge's Immigration Remarks Draw Fire a post regarding the conservative angst about the recent campaign finance reform that Bush signed into law and that the Supreme Court approved (and the approval was praised by the White House), on the heals of the Medicare entitlement enacted under a Republican controlled government the following was posted:

I'm hearing Rush now. He claims the republicans have ONLY one party to go to. He has put this issue squarely on the problem. We need to vote outside of this corrupt party apparatus.

12 posted on 12/11/2003 12:39:52 PM EST by Digger

I also heard this on Rush and my blood boiled. Rush said conservatives have no place else to go and thus will continue to vote as a block to the Republicans.....and then it hit me. That is exactly what we conservatives lament about Blacks and the Democratic party. Black Democrats who vote straight Democratic and are rewarded by being ignored.

In other words, Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party!!!

I urge the same solution to Republican conservatives that Black conservatives offer to Black Democrats. QUIT! Become independents and let the parties fight for our votes. If we can't take the GOP back we should leave the GOP.

I did not change. My party did. I thank God Ronald Reagan is unable to comprehend what is happening to the party he saved.

[Protagoras]

The poster boy for why the 11th political commandment was wrong.

[Recovering_Democrat]

I disagree with your emotion. The Republican Party has its problems, yes. It is head and shoulders above the only other electable party in the nation: the Democrats. I say this as a former Liberal, one who believed in socialist ideas.

Let's face it: there are really only two choices. The Republican Party needs tweaking for sure, and it could stand to have a few more conservatives. But I also believe the leaders in the Republican Party--and by leaders I mean the elected representatives--are by and large conservative in their outlook and practice. Yes even with the bad legislation they've passed in the last couple years.

Success sometimes means taking a long road instead of a short road; I know that isn't a popular idea or immediately gratifying...but let us not forget the incrementalism of liberalism throughout the 1960s and 1970s...bit by bit, the socialist philosophy pervaded our schools, courts, legislation. Now we are at a point where, bit by bit, conservative philosophy has a chance to trickle into the national psyche. Though it looks to take the same accutrements of 'social engineering' programs, don't be fooled: As an example, this Medicare reform puts prevention above correction--saving money in the long run. It also allows, albeit in limited fashion, COMPETITION between prescription drug programs.

I have grown to be conservative but I also think sometimes we want it all right NOW. Such a shock would not be politic; there would be heavy price to pay at the ballot box. We must be wise in our approach. The President, though misstepping in some ways, is working at taking a wise--if circuituous route.

[Sloth]

Incrementalism would be fine, if it was incrementalism in the right direction. The only thing I've seen along those lines recently is the partial birth abortion ban, and it remains to be seen whether that was really an initial increment or just a bone thrown to the pro-lifers. CFR, Medicare, domestic spending -- everything else is going the wrong direction.

[AppauledAtAppeasementConservat]

Sounds like you got it made.

Short of thermo-familiar nuclear war I will have to live with compromise on subjects like putting up with her liberal mother and grandmother (she is a conservative though because of daddy). I tried the "no liberal women will taint the sanctity of this house with their presense". That's when I found out where she draws the line. So I declared certain rooms liberal free zones instead but the living room remains a DMZ.

[jmc813]

You are just as much a psych as Dane. You spout BS and then when facts that counter the BS you spout are brought out, you resort to more BS name calling. Get a life.

Dane is not known for name-calling.

[k2blader]

A good vanity.

I also heard this on Rush and my blood boiled. Rush said conservatives have no place else to go and thus will continue to vote as a block to the Republicans.

I heard Rush say "conservatives have no place else to go" but not that they'll necessarily continue to vote for Republicans. It seemed to me he left that part open.

For a while I'd thought there would be no point in supporting a party other than the GOP, but I'm beginning to reconsider. Possibilities seem to be slowly "ripening"...

[k2blader]

what do you think is the majority of the "GOP base"?

Probably the combined liberal and moderate republicans.

Ugh! If true, an *excellent* reason to not vote GOP.

[k2blader]

Thus, we'd still be a two-party country: Republicans (liberal) and Constitutionists (conservative). That'd suit me just fine!

Huzzah! :-D

[looscnnn]

See my #178 post.

[Cathryn Crawford]

Great post. Thanks, Destro.

[OPS4]

It is easy to say become an independent, but the power of the system is still the two parties. I for one will fight to keep the conservative agenda alive in the Republican Party, rather than abandon it.

Ops4 God Bless America!

[Maelstrom]

Good point

[Destro]

That argument won't work anymore-since Bush chose to continue Clinton policy in helping al-Qaeda allied Muslims in the Balkans and provides them with protection. Look up my anti-Islamic Balkan posts.

[Destro]

Trolling? I have a history here. Let that be my judge.

[Destro]

Fourth, what does giving amnisty to illegal aliens have to do with terrorism, the war, defending our country, etc. A heck of a lot, but they are for it.

Whatever may come of this war on terror-the USA will not end becuase of events that occur on the Euphrates. The USA can come to an end on events that occur on the Rio Grande.

Did not Lincoln, the first Republican president president say if the USA will perish it will perish from the inside out.

[Consort]

If true, an *excellent* reason to not vote GOP.

Maybe a poor rationalization, instead. And it's no big deal if you don't vote Republican.

[af_vet_1981]

There are a lot of posters here that are pretty upset that, under a Republican president and congress, the country is not only lurching to the left, but seemingly abandoning its constitution.

The Supreme Court is a problem. GW Bush has not had a single appointment there. The country is nearly evenly split in ideology and and he is not a tyrant. The conservative wing of the Republican party is strong but not dominant. Meanwhile the country is under attack from Islamic terrorists, envious Europeans, and traitorous Democrats and Socialists. You want me to boot GW Bush and the only party left with any patriotism at all ? Not going to happen.

These folks first allegiance, IMO, is to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If that's not conservative, I'd like to know what is.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights do not serve in Congress, the White House, or the Supreme Court. They do not issue orders, write legislation, or render opinions. Power rests in the hands of leaders from one party or the other. There is no independent third way. There is either the Republicans or the PartyOfTraitors. You will get Bush or Dean/Hillary/Gore/Clark.

Since you decided to call them traitors and cowards,

Precisely identify and document your allegation.

it's about time you let everyone know what you think "conservative" means.

It does not mean let HillaryClinton run America again. It does mean fighting a war against the enemies seeking to blow up our cities. It means leaders like GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and John Ashcroft instead of Clinton/Gore/Cohen/Reno. Take your pick. Choose your side.

Yeah, Bush is a better bet than the socialist dems, who might be instant disaster, but it's hard not to feel disillusioned sometimes, especially after yesterday.

This is not about feelings. You lose a battle, you come back. Reagan made mistakes too. He was so much better than the the alternative Carter. So is Bush ! Help him be a better conservative president by supporting him, not abandoning him. He needs more conservatives in Congress. He needs to defeat Dean/Clinton/Clark. Not for his ego, not for show, but because the future of this country and the free world depend on it. This is not a game.

[Consort]

Liberalism is a disease.

Yes, and a "progressive" one at that.

[Stopislamnow]

The current Republicans do owe the conservative wing of the Party reperations.

It's the only way they will keep thier majorities.

[speekinout]

I heard Rush say "conservatives have no place else to go" but not that they'll necessarily continue to vote for Republicans. It seemed to me he left that part open.

Rush really dislikes W. That no doubt goes back to when the Sr. Bush was VP. I have heard Rush misstate facts just so he can make W look bad.
But Rush does have a problem - a Dem would be a disaster as the next President (I don't care which - name any one)And if you don't support Bush in 2004, you are really supporting the Dem.

There are some days when I think Rush's dislike of W is strong enough that he'd rather see the Dem win.