Posted on 12/11/2003 7:55:33 PM PST by VU4G10
The prospect of millions of Mexicans receiving United States Social Security checks is moving closer to reality.
The Gannett News Service reports U.S. and Mexican officials are discussing a "totalization" agreement that would transfer hundreds of millions of dollars in payments south of the border. The plan would allow documented and undocumented immigrants to return home but still collect U.S. benefits.
WorldNetDaily reported the idea to merge both countries' Social Security systems was pushed late last year by Mexican President Vincente Fox as payback from President George W. Bush for failing to secure major new immigration reforms beneficial to Mexico City.
"When the legalization talks began going nowhere, the Mexicans began focusing on this," Maria Blanco, national senior counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, told the Washington Post.
Excerpts from a U.S. Social Security Administration memo dated December 2002 said the agreement "is expected to move forward at an accelerated pace."
The pact is the latest and largest attempt by Washington and Mexico City to ensure that people from one country working in another aren't taxed twice for Social Security benefits. In the first year alone, the agreement is expected to trigger 37,000 claims from Mexicans working in the U.S. legally who paid Social Security taxes but haven't been able to claim their checks, said the memo, prepared by Ted Girdner, the Social Security Administration's assistant associate commissioner for international operations.
Supporters say the proposal would improve the daily lives of Mexican citizens, many of whom are still trapped in poverty a decade after the North American Free Trade Agreement promised prosperity to the nation's 103.4 million people.
"Let's be honest, there are millions of Mexican immigrants contributing to the Social Security system and the U.S. economy," Katherine Culliton, an attorney with the Washington, D.C., office of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, told Gannett. "It's only fair they get back a benefit they deserve that will keep them from dying in poverty."
Critics, as well as some on the Bush administration economic team, worry that adding more beneficiaries would burden an already ailing system, just as American baby boomers begin to retire.
Currently, around 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the U.S. system under the auspices of about 20 international treaties designed to help Americans sent abroad by their employers signed since 1977. The accords are mostly with European countries, but also include Canada and South Korea.
Of the $408 billion distributed in Social Security benefits in 2001, according to Gannett, the federal government paid $173 million to about 89,000 foreigners living abroad.
Opponents contend the number of Mexican beneficiaries added to the fold would dwarf the total numbers from the 20 other countries. One estimate puts the number of Mexicans coming into the system at around 164,000 in the first five years.
Social Security Administration officials estimate about 50,000 Mexicans would collect $78 million in the first year of a U.S.-Mexican agreement. By 2050, the number is predicted to swell to 300,000 Mexicans collecting $650 million in benefits a year.
But that number doesn't include the potentially eligible, undocumented Mexican immigrants – numbering about 5 million, according to federal estimates – a recent General Accounting Office report pointed out.
Accounting for illegals, the agreement could cost U.S. taxpayers $750 million within five years of implementation.
Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, says if Mexicans receive the $8,100 in benefits that Mexican-born retirees in the U.S. currently get, the total expenditure for the program will easily surpass $1 billion annually.
Beyond the cost, Republican lawmakers worry the proposal will fuel further illegal immigration.
"Talk about an incentive for illegal immigration," Gannett quotes Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, as saying. "How many more would break the law to come to this country if promised U.S. government paychecks for life?"
Any "totalization" agreement ultimately reached must be approved by Congress.
This CNN poll on amnesty needs freeping.
If this goes through then FICA taxes/payments should become voluntary. I know mine will. If they start paying SS benefits to illegals...I swear I'll find a way to stop paying in.
I'm not going to be able to collect after retirement anyway so why pay in to it? To support Jorge and Maria the illegal immigrants? Hell no.
Oh really, Katherine?
Prove it. They're undocumented! There isn't a single way you can even begin to back up that assinine statement.
If they don't have SS numbers then they don't pay into the system!
What's a "full Social Security" pension?
She's entitled ro receive something in proportion to what she paid in.
By the way. let me point something out from the article:
"Currently, around 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the U.S. system under the auspices of about 20 international treaties designed to help Americans sent abroad by their employers signed since 1977. The accords are mostly with European countries, but also include Canada and South Korea."
So, apparently either your entire problem is with Mexicans, or you didn't read the article before you posted.
Which is it?
Methinks the Republicans are getting too cocky for their own good.
NO, you prove YOUR asinine statement that all Mexican immigrants contributing to Social Security are undocumented.
There isn't a single way you can, is there?
The article deals with the already existing policy to pay Social Security benefits back to people that paid into the system, most conservatives would agree that the money paid into Social Security does not belong to the government, or to society at large, but rather to the individual who had part of their wages deducted by the Fed.
The illegal immigrants are going to get payment issue is just another red herring.
Undocumented aliens are simply that, undocumented..meaning there's no way to prove they actually paid into the system, which is a requirement before you get paid by the system.
Not ALL, my fellow Freepr, just the illegals. That's who my statement was in reference to.
The article deals with the already existing policy to pay Social Security benefits back to people that paid into the system...
Yes, I realized this after getting more info on the subject from other sources.
The illegal immigrants are going to get payment issue is just another red herring.
Again, I realize that.
Apparently, you need to use more than a spell checker since the Admin Mod saw fit to remove the comment.
The only way to change things is a tax revolt or a real one, take your pick.
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