Social Security for Mexicans closer to reality (Millions of immigrants to collect benefits)

www.wnd.com ^ | December 11, 2003 | WorldNetDaily

[Dante3]

The government should be sued if it provides illegals with SS benefits -- there are lawsuits to stop illegal acts. You cannot collect from criminal acts. And they should not even be in this country, much less obtain benefits.

This CNN poll on amnesty needs freeping.

Link to Lou Dobbs

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

This has got to be a freakin' joke.

If this goes through then FICA taxes/payments should become voluntary. I know mine will. If they start paying SS benefits to illegals...I swear I'll find a way to stop paying in.

I'm not going to be able to collect after retirement anyway so why pay in to it? To support Jorge and Maria the illegal immigrants? Hell no.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

"Let's be honest, there are millions of Mexican immigrants contributing to the Social Security system...Katherine Culliton, an attorney...told Gannett. "

Oh really, Katherine?

Prove it. They're undocumented! There isn't a single way you can even begin to back up that assinine statement.

If they don't have SS numbers then they don't pay into the system!

[Deltaforceeoo7]

Are we gonna wait for years to get a revolt going??? Why not now??? But it's gotta cover more than just social security money going south of the border... Need to get a Million Man/Woman March going on... Call Talk Show Programs, let Washington Know we are coming!!! Gotta Force those guys to Go Back and Read The U.S. Constitution and Follow it.... What do you think?

[rintense]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just invade the damn country and take it over? Sheesh! This is insane. Something like this *could* make me think twice in November...

[GeronL]

It will take years to organize. The people are sheep. We'll need many millions to threaten, and mean it, to withhold their taxes from Washington DC.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"This is infuriating. I'm Canadian but my wife is an American citizen. She worked in the US for 11 years. So I figure she paid her dues and is entitled to something. Fairly enough she will receive 11/35th of a full social security pension."

What's a "full Social Security" pension?

She's entitled ro receive something in proportion to what she paid in.

By the way. let me point something out from the article:

"Currently, around 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the U.S. system under the auspices of about 20 international treaties designed to help Americans sent abroad by their employers signed since 1977. The accords are mostly with European countries, but also include Canada and South Korea."

So, apparently either your entire problem is with Mexicans, or you didn't read the article before you posted.

Which is it?

[madison10]

This is insane!! Great, just great. What do we as U.S. citizens get out of this... other than scr****?

Methinks the Republicans are getting too cocky for their own good.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Man!

I have GOT to use spell check before posting!

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Prove it. They're undocumented! There isn't a single way you can even begin to back up that asinine statement."

NO, you prove YOUR asinine statement that all Mexican immigrants contributing to Social Security are undocumented.

There isn't a single way you can, is there?

The article deals with the already existing policy to pay Social Security benefits back to people that paid into the system, most conservatives would agree that the money paid into Social Security does not belong to the government, or to society at large, but rather to the individual who had part of their wages deducted by the Fed.

The illegal immigrants are going to get payment issue is just another red herring.

Undocumented aliens are simply that, undocumented..meaning there's no way to prove they actually paid into the system, which is a requirement before you get paid by the system.

[madison10]

So you're saying that this is no big deal & alot of noise for nothing? We won't be paying illegals...it just looks that way? In other words, ANYONE who pays into the Soc Sec. system should get their money & it doesn't matter where they came from or where they will head afterward. This whole thing has probably been blown out of proportion, or misworded to look like something very new, but it it isn't?

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

you prove YOUR asinine statement that all Mexican immigrants contributing to Social Security are undocumented.

Not ALL, my fellow Freepr, just the illegals. That's who my statement was in reference to.

The article deals with the already existing policy to pay Social Security benefits back to people that paid into the system...

Yes, I realized this after getting more info on the subject from other sources.

The illegal immigrants are going to get payment issue is just another red herring.

Again, I realize that.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I have GOT to use spell check before posting!

Apparently, you need to use more than a spell checker since the Admin Mod saw fit to remove the comment.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Unless, of course, you asked them to remove it.

[freeangel]

I don't know, but would be glad to be part of a class action suit on behalf of legal, American citizens.

[DeathAngel]

Bush is great, eh? Bush SUCKS!

[Terry Mross]

Bush is bound and determined to get a LULAC endorsement.

[ohmage]

From the Liberty Committee's email dated 12/12/03
kentsnyder@thelibertycommittee.org

Early this year, we warned you about politicians and special-interest groups quietly working on a program that would give billions of dollars in Social Security benefits to illegal aliens from Mexico.

Congressman Ron Paul introduced H.R. 489, The Social Security for American Citizens Only Act to stop that from happening. Even though H.R. 489 was introduced 11 months ago, the bill has only 18 cosponsors as of today. We need to change that right away.

Urge your U.S. representative to cosponsor H.R. 489. Send a message by going to http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/bills/?bill=1518616

[GeronL]

Ron Paul is the greatest guy in Congress. Its too bad there isn't another 500 like him. The Social Security for foreigners will pass no matter what we do or say, its preordained.

The only way to change things is a tax revolt or a real one, take your pick.