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Pastor Leads Christian Movement Opposing Homosexual Agenda in NC Schools
American Family Association ^ | December 15, 2003 | Jim Brown

Posted on 12/15/2003 7:16:16 PM PST by Kuksool

A coalition of evangelical Christians has successfully fended off a campaign by homosexual activists in one North Carolina school district.

Members of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) have been pressuring the Winston-Salem/Forsyth School Board to include "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in the district's nondiscrimination policy. However, the board recently decided not to revise its policy.

Pastor Ron Baity of Berean Baptist Church in Winston-Salem led a coalition of Christians that opposed the pro-homosexual effort. He says for a long time homosexual activists, and especially the GLSEN crowd, have been coming to the school board meetings and pushing their agenda, while not a single church in the area came and spoke out against their movement.

When his group finally got organized to start attending the board meetings and making their voices heard, he says members of the board said "We've been wondering where the churches are at." But Baity says as a result of the coalition speaking out, things started to change immediately.

"It's been a real burst of spiritual energy for our people because they've been encouraged to see that if you do get involved, there is a possibility that you can make a change," the coalition leader notes. "It's amazing what you can accomplish if you get a group of people together of like mind and just approach the authorities," Baity says.

The pastor contends that the people pushing the homosexual agenda in America are in the minority, but he says, "they speak as if they are the majority -- and the majority of Bible-believing people need to rise up and get actively involved."

Baity believes Christians today are suffering the consequences of having been silent too long on important societal issues.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: afa; christianchurch; glsen; governmentschools; homosexualagenda; homosexualvice; pastor; prisoners; publicschools; recruiting; romans1; sin
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1 posted on 12/15/2003 7:16:18 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: ladylib
Here's one piece of good news coming from one school district.
2 posted on 12/15/2003 7:18:21 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: little jeremiah; ArGee
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
3 posted on 12/15/2003 7:42:51 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool
include "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in the district's nondiscrimination policy

So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students.

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

4 posted on 12/15/2003 8:03:29 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

(If you want off or on this list, hit reply and inform me!)
5 posted on 12/15/2003 8:27:38 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat
I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

Yes.

And if you need the quotes from Jesus or the Bible condemning homosexuality as evil, you aren't qualified to be posting about it. Look it up for yourself.

BTW, Jesus never condoned being a drunk, prostitute or criminal. Quite the opposite.

6 posted on 12/15/2003 8:34:50 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
I'm quite familiar with the New Testament, thank you

If you think Jesus would condone the persecution of gay teenagers, you don't understand His teachings at all

7 posted on 12/15/2003 8:38:03 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: WackyKat
Reverend Baity is standing up for and speaking the truth, Wacky! Since homosexuality is a behavior, not a group "identity", and the behavior is not values neutral, and is condemned in every monotheistic religion in the world as unnatural, immoral, and medical science proves it is unhealthy and spreads all manner of disease, there is every reason not to promote it. Rather, it is is a kind and charitable act to call it what it is, and help young people avoid falling for the pro-homosexual propaganda.

When Jesus associated with the lowly, such as prostitutes and criminals, he told them to change their ways! And as far as the sick, he healed them in body and even more important, in spirit. As far as the poor, he told them to lay up riches in Heaven. I don't know why you're lumping "poor and sick" in with "prostitutes and criminals".

Jesus never tolerated sinful or immoral behavior. He told people to clean up their act, and to turn their love to God, and live a godly life.

It looks as though Rev. Baity is attempting to follow in Jesus Christ's footsteps, rather than offend him by promoting or "celebrating" immoral sex acts under the banner of "tolerance" like so many other CINO reverends and other members of the clergy (shall we say Episcopalian?).

8 posted on 12/15/2003 8:40:29 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat
f you think Jesus would condone the persecution of gay teenagers, you don't understand His teachings at all

How does persecution enter into simply putting a stop to the promotion of homosexuality?

I'm quite sure that you are familiar with the New Testament. Could you please explain it here in relation to promoting the gay agenda in public shcool? Perhaps those of us less familiar would like to know how you have come to believe that Jesus would promote acceptance and tolerance of homosexuality, an abomination and a mortal sin? You got your chance now, so go to town, it should be interesting.

9 posted on 12/15/2003 8:46:20 PM PST by templar
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To: WackyKat
If you think Jesus would condone the persecution of gay teenagers,

This statement contains several misconceptions.

1. Most teenagers that you call "gay" are confused. Many, with some therapy, guidance, or even the opportunity to hear about basic moral teachings, would eschew sexual immorality. Many of these so-called "outreach" organizations are reaching out to "gay, lesbian, transgendered, bisexual, straight and QUESTIONING teens". Why "questioning", one may ask? Answer: because many teenagers have doubts or questions about their own sexualtiy, due to a sexually libertine atmosphere, unhealthy doses of sexually explicit material seen before they've reached the age of reason, broken families, drug and alcohol use that has diminished their reasoning capacity, and last but not least, a lot of them have been sexually abused or seduced, often by older homosexuals.

So these "outreach" organizations (such as the one in Vermont, which I will post a link to) are obvious tools with which to recruit confused kids into the ranks of homosexuals.

2. "Gay" teenagers are not being persecuted. This is a fiction. All kids taunt and tease each other, but so-called "gay" teenagers are not taunted any more than any other. Additionally, sometimes the ones identifying as "gay" bring it upon themselves by cross-dressing or other bizarre behavior - often to shock, or bring upon themselves attention or reaction. I'd say kids trying to pray or wearing religious insignia have been vicitmized more often.

3. Jesus told the adulteress to "sin no more". And that she was forgiven. But the "sin no more" was first. It's called "tough love".

10 posted on 12/15/2003 8:50:47 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: templar
And if you need the quotes from Jesus or the Bible condemning homosexuality as evil

I'll be happy to answer your questions as soon as you cite for me the Gospel verse in which Jesus discusses homosexuality.

I'm waiting

11 posted on 12/15/2003 8:50:56 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: little jeremiah
Link to article discussing the "gay activists" promoting homosexuality in schools:

http://www.afa.net/journal/december/coverstory.asp
12 posted on 12/15/2003 8:55:29 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat; templar
I think we all know that there is no record of Jesus Christ's teaching anything about same sex acts. Obviously the Four Gospels do not have everything that Jesus ever spoke. He did condemn sexual immorality in general, especially adultery. He also adhered to the morality as taught in the Old Testament. So anyone who is not disingenuous knows that Jesus would not be promoting homosexuality. It's up to you (O Wacky one) to show us how Jesus accepted same sex behavior as morally acceptable.
13 posted on 12/15/2003 8:58:59 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
P.S. Jesus also did not address partial birth abortions, cannibalism, sado-masochism, putting Jews in ovens, "swingers clubs", bestiality, or numerous other sinful or criminal acts. Does that mean that because he didn't mention them that he approved?

That is the sum and substance of your argument, by the way.
14 posted on 12/15/2003 9:00:55 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat; templar; little jeremiah
I'll be happy to answer your questions as soon as you cite for me the Gospel verse in which Jesus discusses homosexuality.

There's a couple of different angles with which to tackle this. And past experience tells me you don't really want to talk about it, but I'll ask the most direct question, anyway: Do you happen to know any verse where Jesus discussed sex outside of marriage? You know, such as where Jesus said go and sin no more? That verse tends to take the air (and that's all thats in your argument) right out of any argument regarding what Jesus said about all sex outside of marriage. Hint

15 posted on 12/15/2003 9:03:41 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: little jeremiah; *Homosexual Agenda
You're doing a good job, lj. Don't forget to ping the Homosexual Agenda bump/ping list, as a lot of folks use that to find articles.
16 posted on 12/15/2003 9:07:36 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: WackyKat
I'm waiting

If you were as familiar with the gosppel as you claim, you wouldn't be asking. Homosexuals go to hell, as the NT said (that's right, the NT said it and you'd know it if you have the familiarity with the NT as you claim). Jesus quite plainly said that not a tittle or jot would pass from the law and the law quite plainly condems homosexuality. Now, quit the sophistry game , it won't work with me.

Get a bible and study it and you may find your beliefs to be in error on this subject.

Don't expect any more posts from me. I don't involve myself in debates with those who have no qualifications on the subject, which you seem to be insisting on demonstrating.

17 posted on 12/15/2003 9:08:06 PM PST by templar
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To: scripter
See post #5 - didn't I do it? I pinged the ping list, how do I ping/bump the ping/bump list? (getting scared, out of my depth now!!) :-(
18 posted on 12/15/2003 9:10:34 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: templar
You're the one who said that the Jesus condemned homosexuality

I'm not surprised that you're running away in embarrassment since it's obvious you don't know the scriptures as well as you claim to and have been proven wrong

19 posted on 12/15/2003 9:12:59 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: little jeremiah
You're doing fine - and sorry, that was supposed to be a private freepmail (I'm beat). Just insert *Homosexual Agenda to the front of each ping and you'll ping the index, which is different from the categorical index which gets updated quarterly. Of course you can ping the index anywhere in the ping list, but putting it in front lets everybody know the index has been pinged. Click the link I listed and you'll see what I mean.
20 posted on 12/15/2003 9:15:43 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: WackyKat
Please show some evidence that Jesus approved of same sex acts. That's your stand, right? That Jesus would approve of homosexuality? If that is indeed your position, please back it up with statements from the Bible. We're all ears. (So to speak.)
21 posted on 12/15/2003 9:16:03 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat; templar
templar said they won't be posting to you anymore, and I can certainly see why somebody wouldn't want to spend their valuable time with someone who only wants to waste time and play games. What templar said still stands. Jesus condemned all sex outside of marriage, both hetero or homosexual and you know it, but you'll play this little ambiguous game and support the homosexual agenda while you can.
22 posted on 12/15/2003 9:20:52 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: little jeremiah
He also adhered to the morality as taught in the Old Testament. So anyone who is not disingenuous knows that Jesus would not be promoting homosexuality.

Your argument appears to be that since Jesus supposedly followed all the tenets of OT morality, that we must do so also in modern America

I wonder, little Jeremiah, do you eat shellfish?

Do you shave the corners of your beard?

Do you cover your head in church?

Would you force your daughter to marry the man who had raped her?

Would you stone an adulteress to death?

All these rules are mandated by OT law, aren't they?And don't respond that Jesus' sacrifice has freed us from the law, because you just argued that we have to follow the law because Jesus did.

It's up to you (O Wacky one) to show us how Jesus accepted same sex behavior as morally acceptable.

No, it's not

We are not discussing what rules will be followed in a Christian school, we are discussing the policy of a public school. Many people in public schools are not Christian, and even many Christians do not agree with you on the issue

23 posted on 12/15/2003 9:28:36 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: WackyKat
I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

----

Actually, no. He wouldn't Jesus would simply kill unrepentent homosexual students and be done with it.

Second coming/Sodom & Gomorrah ping.
24 posted on 12/15/2003 9:38:10 PM PST by applemac_g4
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To: WackyKat; scripter
Very clever, O Wacky one.

As I said up the thread, anyone who is NOT disingenuous knows that Jesus did not (does not) condone or approve of sex acts outside of marriage, as noted by Scripter.
If anyone wants to disregard Jesus' message in this regard (or the same or similar messages in other religious books and by other religious or holy teachers), they are free to do so. God has given us the gift of free will, to use in His service or in rebellion to Him.

But to act against His direction, while pretending to ourselves or others that we are obeying Him, is not only stupid, it's dangerous.



25 posted on 12/15/2003 9:39:18 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat
"Think not that I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away [Note: heaven and earth are still here, so The Law must be too], not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these Commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-19 RSV)
26 posted on 12/15/2003 9:43:59 PM PST by Miss Maam
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To: WackyKat
I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

Jesus did hang out with the above. But here you want to misdirect the discussion. For what did Jesus say to the Pharisees when they questioned him about with whom he ate?

Well?

Here, the synpotics tell us just what Jesus said in response. If you're not willing to click that link, I'll tell you what Jesus said. He said: It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. Yes, the sick. Jesus compared sinners to the sick, those who needed help, yet here you are apparently trying to say something else, contradicting what Jesus said.


27 posted on 12/15/2003 9:46:12 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: WackyKat
To quote you from post 11: I'm waiting, but all I hear are crickets. It seems you're only interested in playing games and wasting time when it comes to the issues of homosexuality. Stop supporting the homosexual agenda on this forum.
28 posted on 12/15/2003 10:07:51 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Jesus spent a lot more time condemning the Pharisees, the scribes, the lawyers, the moneylenders and the powerful and smug in general than he did the people of low standing with whom he spent most of his time

Who do you think he favored?

The question is :would Jesus be for or against a policy of treating gay teenagers the same as other students?

I know what I believe the answer to that question to be

29 posted on 12/15/2003 10:13:26 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: WackyKat; Kuksool
Nice attempt at misdirection. You said The question is when that is not the question at all. In post 4 you asked Kuksool:
I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?
Jesus called the above sinners. Jesus spent much of his time with the above because he considered them sick and in need of a doctor. That's what you apparently want to ignore, and that's exactly what this boils down to. So go peddle the homosexual agenda somewhere else.
30 posted on 12/15/2003 10:25:52 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: WackyKat
"So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students."

Ahh. Social liberal. Shilling for the homosexual agenda by implying it is noble and straightforward... the opposite of what it is. It has nothing to do with fairness, and everyone on FR knows it.

31 posted on 12/15/2003 10:30:45 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (It's more than a lib/con thing- All 3 branches of govt colluded to limit the 1st amendmenthave been)
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To: little jeremiah
'nite. And keep up the great work.
32 posted on 12/15/2003 10:31:22 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
You nailed it succintly. Homos are sin sick bump.
33 posted on 12/15/2003 10:33:33 PM PST by Louisiana
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To: WackyKat
The question is :would Jesus be for or against a policy of treating gay teenagers the same as other students?

I notice you did not address any of the comments I made...I wonder why.

Another point: how are the "gay" teenagers being treated any differently from the normal teenagers? Are they made to wear pink triangles? Forced to listen to Madonna? Forced to wear lipstick or shave their heads? What is the different treatment that they are now recieving that you want them not to receive? You are operating on a false platform, solely to promote homosexuality. Why don't you be straightforward (no pun intended) instead of pretending that you know or care what Jesus or God says about anything?

Why not just say that you think same sex sodomy is the equivalent to marraige between a man and a woman and be done with it?

34 posted on 12/15/2003 10:46:55 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat
In Jesus' own words, "When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." ( John 8 )

We know what God says about homosexuality. You think that Jesus would disobey the teachings of His Father?

35 posted on 12/15/2003 10:55:14 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: scripter
Thanks - good night to you!
36 posted on 12/15/2003 11:00:59 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: WackyKat
Your are a Wacky Kat....

So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students.

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

JC had some political position and paid the price. Besides, homosexuality is a mental disorder Wacky Kat and Rev. Baity has guts to speak the truth..

Rome allowed conquered people to keep their Gods and their customs. So who did JC upset so much and why?

The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) with their "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" policy would have never survived in this time period.

37 posted on 12/15/2003 11:17:37 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: PleaseNoMore; WackyKat
In Jesus' own words, "When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." ( John 8 )

We know what God says about homosexuality. You think that Jesus would disobey the teachings of His Father?

Wackykat,

Expanding on what PNM posted.

John 14:10 states that the Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.

Scripture shows us that Jesus is one with the Father. Jesus is God. God wrote the OT. So Jesus wrote the OT.

So if you want to see where Jesus spoke about homosexuality, Read Lev 18:22 (for example).

Also, the entire NT is given by the inspiration of God. It is written by God using men as his writing instruments. So if you want to see where Jesus talked about homosexuality, read Romans 1:27 (for example).

Not knowing that Jesus is the author of the scriptures is an error in your education that hopefully we've cleared up here. Now lets move on to the error in your understanding.

There is no such thing as a 'gay' teenager. There are teenagers who are afflicted with Same-sex Attraction Disorder (SAD) (evidenced by the practice of homosexual behavior) but there are no teenagers who have homosexual behavior as an immutable characteristic. This behavior occurs as a result of mental disease caused by trauma and is totally curable.

So it is foolishness to talk of 'gay' teenagers as anyting other than teenagers. Jesus would treat these teenagers engaging in sinful behavior the same way he'd treat any other sinful behavior: "Go and sin no more"

38 posted on 12/16/2003 5:04:20 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: WackyKat
We are not discussing what rules will be followed in a Christian school, we are discussing the policy of a public school. Many people in public schools are not Christian, and even many Christians do not agree with you on the issue

No we were discussing how Jesus would treat people who practiced homosexual behavior. And you brought Jesus into the conversation so don't whine about it (it's unbecoming)

If people accept homosexuality as an acceptable practice then I am extremely doubtful that they are Christian. In order to follow Christ (which is what Christian means, follower of Christ) then you have to follow His teachings. Rejecting part of His teachings is rejecting Christ. The Word of God is inseparable from the word of God.

39 posted on 12/16/2003 5:08:53 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Kuksool
That is good news, but I hope no member of the school board actually said:

"We've been wondering where the churches are at."

:)

Shalom.

40 posted on 12/16/2003 5:42:28 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: WackyKat
So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students.

How did he support discrimination against gay students?

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

He spent his time healing and helping them, not rejecting the idea that they need help.

True compassion for homosexuals demands they receive treatment, not tolerance.

Shalom.

41 posted on 12/16/2003 5:43:37 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: WackyKat
If you think Jesus would condone the persecution of gay teenagers, you don't understand His teachings at all

If you think that refusing to grant special status to gay students is the same thing as persecuting them, you don't understand the English language at all.

Jesus would never have persecuted gay students. He would have healed them, then told them, "Go and sin no more."

Shalom.

42 posted on 12/16/2003 5:45:20 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: WackyKat; templar
I'm not surprised that you're running away in embarrassment since it's obvious you don't know the scriptures as well as you claim to and have been proven wrong

I don't know about whether templar knows the scriptures, but you have not proven anything except that you know how to throw out an empty challenge.

Shalom.

43 posted on 12/16/2003 5:49:06 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: scripter; WackyKat; templar
Jesus condemned all sex outside of marriage, both hetero or homosexual and you know it,

He also clearly reinforced the definition of marriage as one man and one woman for life, as defined in Genesis 3.

Shalom.

44 posted on 12/16/2003 5:50:23 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: WackyKat
Who is persecuting gay teenagers? Today, states have anti-bullying policies in effect in their schools. That doesn't mean that they have to invite gay groups into their schools.
45 posted on 12/16/2003 6:06:45 AM PST by ladylib
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To: Kuksool
At one time churches did speak out on community affairs and even what went on in the public schools. Churchgoers send their children to these schools. Now churches are too afraid to because they don't want to seem anti-PC. They want to be "inclusive." They have just as much right to speak about issues as far as I'm concerned, at least as much of a right as the ACLU does and GLSEN.
46 posted on 12/16/2003 7:05:36 AM PST by ladylib
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To: WackyKat
Adultery - Sex outside marriage. See the story of the woman at the well.
47 posted on 12/16/2003 7:09:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: WackyKat
Christians aren't covered under laws about clean and unclean. You really don't know much about this subject, do you?
48 posted on 12/16/2003 7:10:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: scripter; little jeremiah
Here, the synpotics

Whoops. That's synoptics - I have no idea what synpotics are :-) and after a quick google, I see I'm not the only one who transposed two letters to make that very mistake!

49 posted on 12/16/2003 7:58:35 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: WackyKat
Surely Jesus Christ would not be in favor of the homosexual lifestyle being legitimized. Homosexuals need to be forgiven (just like everyone else), not told that they are a special group with a normative lifestyle.
50 posted on 12/16/2003 8:05:38 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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