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Praise God. Our Savior is born!
The Bible ^ | 12-25-03 | God

Posted on 12/24/2003 10:55:01 PM PST by AAABEST

SOUNDTRACK: Messiah, Handel (40kb midi)

ISAIAH 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Luke 2: 11 - 14

AND LO, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people!

 

FOR unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord! And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

AND suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying:

GLORY BE TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST

AND ON EARTH PEACE GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN!

 

 

Let us lift His name on high and lift our hearts to our Savior.

He is the light, the love and the truth and he shall REIGN forever and ever.

May His light shine brightly on you and yours during this blessed celebration!

 

 

 

 

 



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1 posted on 12/24/2003 10:55:02 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Liz; SouthernFreebird; Sgt_Schultze; ~Kim4VRWC's~; Alberta's Child; Victoria Delsoul; stanz; ...
May God's light shine upon you all.
2 posted on 12/24/2003 10:59:30 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Breaking News?  Didn't that happen like, 2000 years ago?

Nice Post!  Merry Christmas!

3 posted on 12/24/2003 11:00:16 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: AAABEST
God Bless and Merry Christmas!
4 posted on 12/24/2003 11:01:12 PM PST by RWR8189
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To: AAABEST



May God's light shine upon you all.

And on you and yours, as well.

Merry Christmas.


5 posted on 12/24/2003 11:02:29 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: AAABEST
God Bless you and your family AAABEST!!!
6 posted on 12/24/2003 11:02:53 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Happy Birthday, Jesus!)
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To: AAABEST
Aren't you late? I though Jesus Christ was born in September?

Well, Happy Jesus' Birthday anyway ;0)
7 posted on 12/24/2003 11:04:10 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (What am I rebelling against? Well, what do ya got?)
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To: AAABEST
Aw, I miss the vocals on the sound track. I want to get a CD of The Messiah. I have performed so many of the pieces that I love to play it year round. Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah!
8 posted on 12/24/2003 11:05:48 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: AAABEST
THANK YOU FOR THIS.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!! AND PEACE TO ALL.
9 posted on 12/24/2003 11:05:49 PM PST by Indie
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To: AAABEST
That's beautiful. Thank you.

Merry Christmas. God bless us every one.

10 posted on 12/24/2003 11:07:16 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: AAABEST
Already is AAA.....It shines in the form of friends like you ............Thanks for all you've done for your country, and your friends.

Merry Christmas !

11 posted on 12/24/2003 11:07:26 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: AAABEST
I need that more than ever.. Thanks for remembering me.

You also AAABest, and Merry Christmas!

(:

12 posted on 12/24/2003 11:08:35 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: AAABEST
May God bless us all during this time we celebrate the birth of Christ our Lord and Savior.
13 posted on 12/24/2003 11:09:01 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: AAABEST
Thank you! And you too! God bless and Merry Christmas!
14 posted on 12/24/2003 11:09:15 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: AAABEST
May you and yours have a blessed celebration of the birth of our Savior.

TNT
15 posted on 12/24/2003 11:09:40 PM PST by TruthNtegrity (God bless America, God bless President George W. Bush and God bless our Military!)
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To: AAABEST
Awesome! Thank You AAABEST. Merry Christmas to You and Everyone.

This is the Day The Lord has made, Let us rejoice and be glad in it. :)

16 posted on 12/24/2003 11:11:03 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Psycho_Bunny; AAABEST
Thankfully for many, this is STILL breaking news!
17 posted on 12/24/2003 11:14:09 PM PST by DaughterofEve (W)
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To: AAABEST
My heart has become His manger. Thank you AAABEST
18 posted on 12/24/2003 11:16:43 PM PST by swheats
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To: AAABEST
Christmas BUMP!
And He will reign
for ever and ever
Our God is an awesome God

Thank you Christ Jesus.
19 posted on 12/24/2003 11:17:20 PM PST by Libertina (I wish you a joyous, abundant and happy 2004!)
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To: AAABEST
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

redrock

p.s.....Press HERE

21 posted on 12/24/2003 11:34:18 PM PST by redrock (..and on this day...a Child was Born....and the world was a better place...)
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To: AAABEST
What a BLESSED Hope we have. Jesus has come to redeem fallen man. PRAISE GOD.
22 posted on 12/24/2003 11:35:29 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: AAABEST
Merry Christmas to all.

Attended a Mass celebrated by newly created Cardinal Hamao at Sacred Heart in Yokohama.

His homily began with the Nativity, then segued into envy and covetousness.

What a blessing is the Real Presence. If there's any one thing that will see the Church through the modernist heresy, that is it.
23 posted on 12/24/2003 11:35:49 PM PST by dsc
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To: DaughterofEve
Thankfully for many, this is STILL breaking news!

Oh yes, and it is the BEST NEWS OF ALL!!!!!!!

24 posted on 12/24/2003 11:37:33 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
As near as I can tell, they can narrow his birth down to an approximate year and his death to a near-exact year.

But month of birth is sheer speculation. September is no better than December. December has a 1 out of 12 chance of being right.
25 posted on 12/24/2003 11:41:25 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: AAABEST
Absolutely beautiful!!!

God IS awesome!
26 posted on 12/24/2003 11:54:03 PM PST by shellylet
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To: AAABEST
add me to ping... Merry X-mas.
27 posted on 12/24/2003 11:58:14 PM PST by freedom44
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To: AAABEST
Bless you John, this has been a lovely, relaxed evening where no one lost focus upon the real purpose but still enjoyed traditional pleasures of the season.

We just listened to an original 1955 recording of Giancarlo Manotti's Amahl and the Night Visitors. The lyrics and voices bring me to tears every time I hear it and I am no opera fan. A mother's love, a faith in powers unseen, the Grace of God, and a kindred spirit among all in the sight of the Lord, regardless of station.

28 posted on 12/25/2003 12:00:24 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: AAABEST
Thank you. Blessings this Christmas
29 posted on 12/25/2003 12:22:36 AM PST by squarebarb (post number 190, just trying to get my numbers up)
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To: Sabertooth
Saber....MERRY CHRISTmas!!!!

Hope you get lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and then some more gifts.

30 posted on 12/25/2003 12:23:42 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Happy Birthday, Jesus!)
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To: AAABEST
ping
31 posted on 12/25/2003 12:27:55 AM PST by Mercat
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To: Sabertooth
Merry Christmas.
He has risen.
32 posted on 12/25/2003 12:33:13 AM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: AAABEST
Merry Christmas.
He has risen!
33 posted on 12/25/2003 12:33:59 AM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond
The secret motto of the early church was: "He is risen" to which came the response....

"He is risen indeed".

Merry Christmas.
34 posted on 12/25/2003 1:01:39 AM PST by Route66 (America's Mainstreet)
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To: xzins
....."But month of birth is sheer speculation"......

Well, The Bible tells us that John the Baptist was concieved "In the course of Abijah". (Luke 1:5) One can extrapolate that Zacharias was probably in Temple duty around June at the aproximate time John the Baptist was concieved. 1 Chronicles 24:7-19 tells us Abijah had the 8th course of 24. Keep in mind ALL preists were requires during some Sabaths to kill the thousands of animals required at "Pilgrim Sabaths". Then we see in Luke 1:26, it was 6 months later Jesus was concieved. So if we look aproximately 9 months after that time we get around Sept-Oct. That would coincide with Rosh Hashanah,Yom Kippur, And the Feast of Tabernacles. It make sense that Jesus was probably born at Tabernacles because the Light of the World was the main theme of the feast, and swadling cloth was set fire atop poles to represent "The Light Of the World". Also, John 1:14 tells us He became flesh and "dwelt" among us. The word "dwelt" is better translated as "tabernacled", and is the only time in the New Testament it is used. Also, John 1:9 tells us He is the true "Light"given to all the world. Is.49:6 points to Jesus as the Light to the Gentiles and to all the world. The Feast of Tabernacles is the only Jewish feast dedicated to all the world, not just Jews. The reason God declared the Jews keep the Feasts in the first place was to mark the significant times in Jesus' life. December has no such significant feast days.

It is not mandatory to know when Jesus was born to be saved, but December 25 is a blatantly pagan day. The Winter Solstice, Yule log, evergreen trees, and giving of gifts, are all pagan ideas. So, the traditians of men enter into our worship again, as Jesus warned us about. The reason God never changes anything, and demands we keep His commandments, is to prove who He is. The more we study Jewish religion, customs and culture, the more we can find out about God. The Jews were "chosen" to reveal the oracles of God, whether they believe or not. The 6 days of creation and 1 day of rest are important to God to show His plan for the world, not just to keep from selling beer on Sunday. Speaking of Sunday, why is it the 4th Commandment is the only one we feel no guilt in not honoring. In Exodus 20:8-11, He explains this Commandment more than the other 9. Why? I believe so we won't fall for the lie from the bowels of hell called evolution.

Now we can have a thread that lasts through New years, with 5000 posts pooh poohing "fundie"s". hehehe

35 posted on 12/25/2003 1:01:48 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Fact versus assumption.

The Jews were on a 360 day year because they were on a lunar calendar.

Their using a lunar calendar affects your calculations.

Also, are you saying that saturday is the sabbath day? If so, that's fine. You're allowed to worship whenever you feel like. Acts 15 sets no requirement for gentiles to observe particular days.
36 posted on 12/25/2003 1:19:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: Route66
Dean touts his Christianity

''Christ was someone who sought out people who were disenfranchised, people who were left behind,'' Dean said. ''He fought against self-righteousness of people who had everything . . . He was a person who set an extraordinary example that has lasted 2000 years, which is pretty inspiring when you think about it.''

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/359/nation/Seeking_a_new_emphasis_Dean_touts_his_ChristianityP.shtml


Someone tell Dean that Christ is ...not was.....
37 posted on 12/25/2003 1:42:40 AM PST by KQQL (^@__*^)
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To: AAABEST
Merry Christmas to all of you.
38 posted on 12/25/2003 1:44:31 AM PST by mysterio
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To: AAABEST
A joyous Christmas to you and yours, AAA.
39 posted on 12/25/2003 1:45:26 AM PST by Dane
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To: chuckles
why is it the 4th Commandment is the only one we feel no guilt in not honoring.

Because some of us don't believe the visions of "Sister Ellen G. White," said visions starting after she was hit in the head with a rock. Then again, having Seventh Day Adventist cult propaganda on this thread truly isn't surprising.

40 posted on 12/25/2003 2:05:43 AM PST by Young Rhino (http://www.artofdivorce.com)
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To: AAABEST
God bless you and your family this Christmas!
41 posted on 12/25/2003 2:20:09 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Merry Christmas!!! Who else is still up putting together stuff? LOL
42 posted on 12/25/2003 2:46:16 AM PST by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: AAABEST
BTTT!!!!!! Merry Christmas.
43 posted on 12/25/2003 3:06:27 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: chuckles
Calculating Christians by William J. Tighe

William J. Tighe on the Story Behind December 25

Many Christians think that Christians celebrate Christ's birth on December 25th because the church fathers appropriated the date of a pagan festival.

Almost no one minds, except for a few groups on the fringes of American Evangelicalism, who seem to think that this makes Christmas itself a pagan festival. But it is perhaps interesting to know that the choice of December 25th is the result of attempts among the earliest Christians to figure out the date of Jesus' birth based on calendrical calculations that had nothing to do with pagan festivals.

Rather, the pagan festival of the "Birth of the Unconquered Son" instituted by the Roman Emperor Aurelian on 25 December 274, was almost certainly an attempt to create a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians. Thus the "Pagan origins of Christmas" is a myth without historical substance.

A Mistake

The idea that the date was taken from the pagans goes back to two scholars from the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries. Paul Ernst Jablonski, a German Protestant, wished to show that the celebration of Christ's birth on December 25th was one of the many "paganizations" of Christianity that the Church of the fourth century embraced, as one of many "degenerations" that transformed pure apostolic Christianity into Catholicism. Dom Jean Hardouin, a Benedictine monk, tried to show that the Catholic Church adopted pagan festivals for Christian purposes without paganizing the gospel.

In the Julian calendar, created in 45 b.c. under Julius Caesar, the winter solstice fell on December 25th, and it therefore seemed obvious to Jablonski and Hardouin that the day must have had a pagan significance before it had a Christian one. But in fact, the date had no religious significance in the Roman pagan festal calendar before Aurelian's time, nor did the cult of the sun play a prominent role in Rome before him.

There were two temples of the sun in Rome, one of which (maintained by the clan into which Aurelian was born or adopted) celebrated its dedication festival on August 9th, the other of which celebrated its dedication festival on August 28th. But both of these cults fell into neglect in the second century, when eastern cults of the sun, such as Mithraism, began to win a following in Rome. And in any case, none of these cults, old or new, had festivals associated with solstices or equinoxes.

As things actually happened, Aurelian, who ruled from 270 until his assassination in 275, was hostile to Christianity and appears to have promoted the establishment of the festival of the "Birth of the Unconquered Sun" as a device to unify the various pagan cults of the Roman Empire around a commemoration of the annual "rebirth" of the sun. He led an empire that appeared to be collapsing in the face of internal unrest, rebellions in the provinces, economic decay, and repeated attacks from German tribes to the north and the Persian Empire to the east.

In creating the new feast, he intended the beginning of the lengthening of the daylight, and the arresting of the lengthening of darkness, on December 25th to be a symbol of the hoped-for "rebirth," or perpetual rejuvenation, of the Roman Empire, resulting from the maintenance of the worship of the gods whose tutelage (the Romans thought) had brought Rome to greatness and world-rule. If it co-opted the Christian celebration, so much the better.

A By-Product

It is true that the first evidence of Christians celebrating December 25th as the date of the Lord's nativity comes from Rome some years after Aurelian, in a.d. 336, but there is evidence from both the Greek East and the Latin West that Christians attempted to figure out the date of Christ's birth long before they began to celebrate it liturgically, even in the second and third centuries. The evidence indicates, in fact, that the attribution of the date of December 25th was a by-product of attempts to determine when to celebrate his death and resurrection.

How did this happen?

There is a seeming contradiction between the date of the Lord's death as given in the synoptic Gospels and in John's Gospel. The synoptics would appear to place it on Passover Day (after the Lord had celebrated the Passover Meal on the preceding evening), and John on the Eve of Passover, just when the Passover lambs were being slaughtered in the Jerusalem Temple for the feast that was to ensue after sunset on that day.

Solving this problem involves answering the question of whether the Lord's Last Supper was a Passover Meal, or a meal celebrated a day earlier, which we cannot enter into here. Suffice it to say that the early Church followed John rather than the synoptics, and thus believed that Christ's death would have taken place on 14 Nisan, according to the Jewish lunar calendar. (Modern scholars agree, by the way, that the death of Christ could have taken place only in a.d. 30 or 33, as those two are the only years of that time when the eve of Passover could have fallen on a Friday, the possibilities being either 7 April 30 or 3 April 33.)

However, as the early Church was forcibly separated from Judaism, it entered into a world with different calendars, and had to devise its own time to celebrate the Lord's Passion, not least so as to be independent of the rabbinic calculations of the date of Passover. Also, since the Jewish calendar was a lunar calendar consisting of twelve months of thirty days each, every few years a thirteenth month had to be added by a decree of the Sanhedrin to keep the calendar in synchronization with the equinoxes and solstices, as well as to prevent the seasons from "straying" into inappropriate months.

Apart from the difficulty Christians would have had in following-or perhaps even being accurately informed about-the dating of Passover in any given year, to follow a lunar calendar of their own devising would have set them at odds with both Jews and pagans, and very likely embroiled them in endless disputes among themselves. (The second century saw severe disputes about whether Pascha had always to fall on a Sunday or on whatever weekday followed two days after 14 Artemision/Nisan, but to have followed a lunar calendar would have made such problems much worse.)

These difficulties played out in different ways among the Greek Christians in the eastern part of the empire and the Latin Christians in the western part of it. Greek Christians seem to have wanted to find a date equivalent to 14 Nisan in their own solar calendar, and since Nisan was the month in which the spring equinox occurred, they chose the 14th day of Artemision, the month in which the spring equinox invariably fell in their own calendar. Around a.d. 300, the Greek calendar was superseded by the Roman calendar, and since the dates of the beginnings and endings of the months in these two systems did not coincide, 14 Artemision became April 6th.

In contrast, second-century Latin Christians in Rome and North Africa appear to have desired to establish the historical date on which the Lord Jesus died. By the time of Tertullian they had concluded that he died on Friday, 25 March 29. (As an aside, I will note that this is impossible: 25 March 29 was not a Friday, and Passover Eve in a.d. 29 did not fall on a Friday and was not on March 25th, or in March at all.)

Integral Age

So in the East we have April 6th, in the West, March 25th. At this point, we have to introduce a belief that seems to have been widespread in Judaism at the time of Christ, but which, as it is nowhere taught in the Bible, has completely fallen from the awareness of Christians. The idea is that of the "integral age" of the great Jewish prophets: the idea that the prophets of Israel died on the same dates as their birth or conception.

This notion is a key factor in understanding how some early Christians came to believe that December 25th is the date of Christ's birth. The early Christians applied this idea to Jesus, so that March 25th and April 6th were not only the supposed dates of Christ's death, but of his conception or birth as well. There is some fleeting evidence that at least some first- and second-century Christians thought of March 25th or April 6th as the date of Christ's birth, but rather quickly the assignment of March 25th as the date of Christ's conception prevailed.

It is to this day, commemorated almost universally among Christians as the Feast of the Annunciation, when the Archangel Gabriel brought the good tidings of a savior to the Virgin Mary, upon whose acquiescence the Eternal Word of God ("Light of Light, True God of True God, begotten of the Father before all ages") forthwith became incarnate in her womb. What is the length of pregnancy? Nine months. Add nine months to March 25th and you get December 25th; add it to April 6th and you get January 6th.

December 25th is Christmas, and January 6th is Epiphany.

Christmas (December 25th) is a feast of Western Christian origin. In Constantinople it appears to have been introduced in 379 or 380. From a sermon of St. John Chrysostom, at the time a renowned ascetic and preacher in his native Antioch, it appears that the feast was first celebrated there on 25 December 386. From these centers it spread throughout the Christian East, being adopted in Alexandria around 432 and in Jerusalem a century or more later. The Armenians, alone among ancient Christian churches, have never adopted it, and to this day celebrate Christ's birth, manifestation to the magi, and baptism on January 6th.

Western churches, in turn, gradually adopted the January 6th Epiphany feast from the East, Rome doing so sometime between 366 and 394. But in the West, the feast was generally presented as the commemoration of the visit of the magi to the infant Christ, and as such, it was an important feast, but not one of the most important ones? striking contrast to its position in the East, where it remains the second most important festival of the church year, second only to Pascha (Easter).

In the East, Epiphany far outstrips Christmas. The reason is that the feast celebrates Christ's baptism in the Jordan and the occasion on which the Voice of the Father and the Descent of the Spirit both manifested for the first time to mortal men the divinity of the Incarnate Christ and the Trinity of the Persons in the One Godhead.

A Christian Feast

Thus, December 25th as the date of the Christ's birth appears to owe nothing whatsoever to pagan influences upon the practice of the Church during or after Constantine's time. It is wholly unlikely to have been the actual date of Christ's birth, but it arose entirely from the efforts of early Latin Christians to determine the historical date of Christ's death.

And the pagan feast which the Emperor Aurelian instituted on that date in the year 274 was not only an effort to use the winter solstice to make a political statement, but also almost certainly an attempt to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Christians. The Christians, in turn, could at a later date re-appropriate the pagan "Birth of the Unconquered Sun" to refer, on the occasion of the birth of Christ, to the rising of the "Sun of Salvation" or the "Sun of Justice."

William J. Tighe, a Touchstone correspondent, is Associate Professor of History at Muhlenberg College. He refers interested readers to Thomas J. Talley's The Origins of the Liturgical Year (The Liturgical Press). A draft of this article appeared on the listserve Virtuosity.

If you enjoyed this article, you'll find more of the same in every issue of Touchstone magazine. An introductory subscription (ten copies for one year) is only $24.95.

Copyright 2003 the Fellowship of St. James. All rights reserved.
44 posted on 12/25/2003 3:11:38 AM PST by dsc
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To: KQQL; All
"Someone tell Dean that Christ is ...not was....."

Amen!

Wishing all my FReeper family a very blessed Christmas!

.


45 posted on 12/25/2003 3:16:19 AM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: AAABEST
Yes - Praise God He is still on the Throne, still God, and always will be!

"For there is but one name under heaven whereby men may be saved, the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

46 posted on 12/25/2003 3:18:38 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: AAABEST
Thanks ! Merry Christmas !


47 posted on 12/25/2003 3:54:06 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Hillary is a TRAITOR !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/HitlerTraitor6.JPG)
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To: AAABEST
Merry Christmas to you and your family, and may GOD bless America!

Charlie (aka G.Mason) and family
48 posted on 12/25/2003 4:22:03 AM PST by G.Mason (Democrats are expendable)
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To: AAABEST
Beautiful post.Good tidings of great joy.Merry Christmas.
49 posted on 12/25/2003 5:18:49 AM PST by MEG33 (Joy To The World)
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To: AAABEST
Amen. thanks.
50 posted on 12/25/2003 6:12:23 AM PST by Mamzelle
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