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Fresnans join plan for Free State
Fresno Bee ^ | 12-28-2003 | John Ellis

Posted on 12/29/2003 11:31:43 AM PST by jmc813

Edited on 04/12/2004 2:10:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

For 27 of his 29 years, Varrin Swearingen has called Fresno home. The World Airways pilot lives in a nice house near Chestnut and Nees avenues. He's a member of Northwest Church. His parents are here, as is his wife's stepmother.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: freestateproject; fresnonutcases; fsp; nh; porcupines
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1 posted on 12/29/2003 11:31:43 AM PST by jmc813
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To: jmc813; Jim Robinson; Mama_Bear; jkphoto; JustAmy
I've heard about this movement but didn't know there were actually people who would DO IT! Good luck to them.
2 posted on 12/29/2003 11:34:13 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: archy
FSP Ping
3 posted on 12/29/2003 11:34:23 AM PST by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: jmc813
Sounds cultic, but best of luck to them.
4 posted on 12/29/2003 11:35:17 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: Saundra Duffy
I wish them luck ..... don't think I could leave California for New Hamphshire, though. Couldn't they find someplace a little warmer?
5 posted on 12/29/2003 11:55:44 AM PST by JustAmy (Remember our troops in your prayers for the rest of this year and everyday of the New Year!)
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To: AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; austingirl; BADROTOFINGER; Baseballguy; bc2; Beck_isright; ...
Free State Project PorcuPing!

-archy-/-

6 posted on 12/29/2003 11:56:34 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: jmc813
...they will freeze their collective butt off...freely.
7 posted on 12/29/2003 11:57:57 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("When surrounded...attack !" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: jmc813
Dude, you can get stoned in Fresno, you don't have to go all the way to New Hampshire.
8 posted on 12/29/2003 12:01:21 PM PST by Drango (Democratic fund raising....If PBS won't do it, who will?)
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To: jmc813
Already, the state has some built-in advantages: no motorcycle helmet laws and no sales or income tax. New Hampshire is the only U.S. state without a compulsory seat-belt law.

Resistance is futile...must join the movement...

9 posted on 12/29/2003 12:13:17 PM PST by Ruth A.
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To: archy
"Sounds cultic, but best of luck to them."

Can you believe that statement.
"Freedom" & those who'd seek it has come to be viewed as "cult like" by the hordes of brainstems who're running amok.

The place sure has come a long way from when Robinson & Company first started [it] to where we stand today, Arch.

...maybe degraded would be a better description.

10 posted on 12/29/2003 12:38:37 PM PST by Landru (Tagline Schmagline...just a drag on my line.)
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To: JustAmy
Couldn't they find someplace a little warmer?

Of the 10 final states from which the final vote was taken, NONE were in the south or southwest, largely due to the population density in those areas in which the 20,000 FSP signatories hope to make a serious impact.

Though Wyoming and Montana were also attractive- and Free West Project efforts continue there- NH does indeed offer a certain attraction aside from the weather:

NH State voter registration; September ’02 2001 (after list purge)

REPUBLICANS 245,791 (37.3%) 233,363 (36.9%)

UNDECLARED 242,028 (36.8%) 232,805 (36.8%)

DEMOCRATS 170,405 (25.9%) 167,062 (26.4%)

11 posted on 12/29/2003 12:50:26 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Drango
Dude, you can get stoned in Fresno, you don't have to go all the way to New Hampshire.

Dude, this is not about getting stoned. This is about an aversion to the nanny state philosophy prevalent in the rest of the country. Drug prohibition is now funding Al-Qaeda. What other successes can prohibition boast about besides jailing folks who have harmed no one but themselves? If your answer involves children, please spare your keyboard.

12 posted on 12/29/2003 12:55:07 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Landru
***"Sounds cultic, but best of luck to them."***

Can you believe that statement.
"Freedom" & those who'd seek it has come to be viewed as "cult like" by the hordes of brainstems who're running amok.

The place sure has come a long way from when Robinson & Company first started [it] to where we stand today, Arch.

...maybe degraded would be a better description

Well, I'd prefer their honest viewpoint, and if it does look that way, I'd say a lot of the blame falls on the press descriptions, taking their scripting from the usual Democratic Party hacks in many instances.

But it's not been the viewpoint of the porkyoines I've run across, probably more independent and less in lockstep than the *Eleventh Commandment* Republicans who forcefeed their GOP Koolaid to any of their own who deviate from their party line.

And given the numbers of troops now in Iraq who've been changing their Homes of Record to reflect New Hampshire as their home statre, I'd say we're in pretty fair company. Most of the press doesn't seem to care for them too much either.

-archy-/-

13 posted on 12/29/2003 12:57:07 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: My2Cents; habs4ever
I remember when a bunch of other people left California for freedom, only they all went to Guyana.


14 posted on 12/29/2003 12:57:30 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Dean, a constant critic of the war now left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away.)
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To: archy
Good luck aand Happy New Year.
15 posted on 12/29/2003 12:58:46 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I've heard about this movement but didn't know there were actually people who would DO IT! Good luck to them.

You betcha, includung a number of FReepers, some of whom are in process of moving alrerady, weather permitting.

And I found the prettiest little chunk of the Granite State with a back porch view of the Saco river. Though the wholesale FSP move won't be taking place until all 20,000 have signed on- of which more than a fourth have done so in just two years- I think it'll be worth going a little sooner than that and getting in some fishing.

-archy-/-


16 posted on 12/29/2003 1:05:05 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: neverdem
Good luck aand Happy New Year.

'Preciate it! It should be an interesting year, in any event, and I'm hoping for slight improvements in things in the coming year and later ones to come, rather than any lightning strike sweeping away the decay and detrius- which did not occur overnight, after all.

It should be fun to watch, either as a participant or as a spectator. You're certainly invited, either way.

-archy-/-

17 posted on 12/29/2003 1:08:15 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
Looking at the voter registration rolls, NH does look very attractive but I've never lived anywhere except CA and all I can think is BRRRRR.

Don't count me out, I was in NH once in the fall. It was beautiful. I might consider buying a winter home in Arizona becore relocating to NH, tho.
18 posted on 12/29/2003 1:08:44 PM PST by JustAmy (Remember our troops in your prayers for the rest of this year and everyday of the New Year!)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I remember when a bunch of other people left California for freedom, only they all went to Guyana.

You would. I prefer to recall the ones further back, who left Tennessee, Louisiana and other locales for a new home in Texas.

It didn't work out too swell for some of them either, but the ones who've hung on there have done okay.


19 posted on 12/29/2003 1:17:56 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: jmc813
Free State members are big on individual responsibility. That means no gun ownership restrictions and an elimination of drug laws.

Why stop there? Why have murder laws? Why put up stop signs. Responsible individuals should just not murder and stop when they need to.

This is 60's hippie commune-ism trickled down after three decades.

Nothing new under the sun.

20 posted on 12/29/2003 1:19:12 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: JustAmy
Looking at the voter registration rolls, NH does look very attractive but I've never lived anywhere except CA and all I can think is BRRRRR.

Don't count me out, I was in NH once in the fall. It was beautiful. I might consider buying a winter home in Arizona becore relocating to NH, tho.

Not a bad plan. And that gives you a fallback position should California's politicians sell the state back to Mexico. But even though the weather may be unpleasant, don't miss the NH primary elections....

-archy-/-

21 posted on 12/29/2003 1:20:50 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: tallhappy
Why stop there? Why have murder laws? Why put up stop signs. Responsible individuals should just not murder and stop when they need to.

Indeed. And they should have no complaints when their kids are held at gunpoint in the hallways of their schools and searched and interrogated by police. And if they do, there's always a way to get some charges to stick to that sort of troublemaker. After all, none of the kids were shot...this time.

And if you don't like it, you can always send President Hillary a letter. But it better be a nice one.

22 posted on 12/29/2003 1:54:08 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: PoorMuttly
...they will freeze their collective butt off...freely.

I figure on doing some snuggling with somebody. And I'll do my best to keep her warm, too.

Hope she likes sunsets over big ole mountains.


23 posted on 12/29/2003 2:00:44 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
Gorgeous scene. Best of luck.
24 posted on 12/29/2003 2:03:54 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: jmc813; archy
Please keep us posted. Maybe some pro-lifers should try something like this. A no-abortion zone! We could have home schooling, too. And no homosexuality. No . . . never work . . . it's getting too complicated.
25 posted on 12/29/2003 2:07:27 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: JustAmy
Couldn't they find someplace a little warmer?

Amen.

Of the dozen odd college friends who relocated to the east coast for employment reasons all have returned to the sunny climes of California. Even the shortened (9 a.m. to 3 p.m.) workday their employers offered in New England during the winter could persuade them to stay.

26 posted on 12/29/2003 2:09:48 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: archy
No income tax, no sales tax, fresh air and water, gorgeous mountains, plenty of four-season outdoor recreation, cider mills, no "seat belt shakedowns"...what's NOT to like? After four years in the South, I'm heading back. See you there.
27 posted on 12/29/2003 2:15:54 PM PST by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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To: archy
I truly love that state...always have. My pal with the P-38 has a B&B there.

Now paint white, add determined wind, sub-zero temperature...roaming cheesemoose...a lot like Finland...!

Lots of time for snuggling, though. Sounds like a Survival strategy.

...I guess someone's got to do it....!
28 posted on 12/29/2003 2:41:10 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("When surrounded...attack !" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Hey, I will do it. I have one property up for sale now and the yr.2005 to get there. I have lived there before and know the costs involved. New Hampshire is not free....Freedom is just another word for nothing else to lose.
29 posted on 12/29/2003 8:09:11 PM PST by katz (RRR)
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To: JustAmy
There is a great coast line for summer swimming.
30 posted on 12/29/2003 8:48:45 PM PST by katz (RRR)
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To: katz
Are you sure? I'd better go look at the map again.
31 posted on 12/29/2003 8:51:17 PM PST by JustAmy (Remember our troops in your prayers for the rest of this year and everyday of the New Year!)
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To: JustAmy
New Hampshire has coastal waters. The beaches are like photos of the rocky shores. Taxes are low. You can always hobnob with the elitist in Boston!
32 posted on 12/29/2003 8:55:23 PM PST by katz (RRR)
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To: JustAmy
Yes, I use to live there.
33 posted on 12/29/2003 8:56:22 PM PST by katz (RRR)
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To: katz
Thanks for the info about the coastline.
34 posted on 12/29/2003 9:10:33 PM PST by JustAmy (Remember our troops in your prayers for the rest of this year and everyday of the New Year!)
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To: JustAmy
I did say that it was for summer swimming. It does get cold there. The winters are great.
35 posted on 12/29/2003 9:14:39 PM PST by katz (RRR)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Bert dispensing the Kool-Aid. Hillarious!
36 posted on 12/30/2003 12:21:58 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: katz
New Hampshire has coastal waters. The beaches are like photos of the rocky shores. Taxes are low. You can always hobnob with the elitist in Boston!

Or take the other approach and go hang around with the Maine neighbors, who've sometimes been known to refer to those locally resident for three generations as *the new folks*. It should be interesting to see what they think of my Indiana/Wyoming/Texas accent, tempered by my last 5 years resident in Memphis, a-yuh.

I've already been pressganged for work by a NH Habitat for Humanity church chapter and a Maine narrow-gauge railroad that needs a little help with their trackwork after the Spring thaw.

-archy-/-

37 posted on 12/30/2003 9:42:58 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: JustAmy
There is a great coast line for summer swimming.

Are you sure? I'd better go look at the map again.

Don't overlook the lake beaches either, and check out Weirs Beach at Laconia on Lake Winnipesaukee sometime as a good example. Unless you like LOTS of bikers, not on Laconia's biker weekend, however.

And here's your map. There's more lakefront beach than seashore, but still enough to be interesting.


38 posted on 12/30/2003 9:51:55 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: katz
Hey, I will do it. I have one property up for sale now and the yr.2005 to get there. I have lived there before and know the costs involved. New Hampshire is not free....Freedom is just another word for nothing else to lose.

Katz, would you care to be included on the *PorcuPing* list of FSP-related articles and posts?

Alternately, you can keyword search for FSP, PORCUPINES, or FREESTATEPARTY, or NH for those articles and reports specificly related to FSP activities within the state or coming from domestic NH news sources. But we'd sure be glad to have ya!

-archy-/-

39 posted on 12/30/2003 9:55:19 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: PoorMuttly
Now paint white, add determined wind, sub-zero temperature...roaming cheesemoose...a lot like Finland...!

Indeed, a lot like the Karelean Peninsula and the area around Suomussalmi, forested and with tasteful mountains rather than brutal ones. Hmmm, I wonder how reindeer rides would go over as an alternate to snowmobiling in NH....


40 posted on 12/30/2003 10:05:01 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
You'd have OUR business !
41 posted on 12/30/2003 10:07:46 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("When surrounded...attack !" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: PoorMuttly
...and there is NO pistol permit there...not necessary !

...so the little tykes can have their own .454 in case the reindeer bolts for the cheese.
42 posted on 12/30/2003 10:11:35 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("When surrounded...attack !" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: who knows what evil?
After four years in the South, I'm heading back. See you there.

It's not at all the land of [frozen] milk and honey, though it sure beats out a lot of alternatives. But their's a similar spinoff effort taking place in Idaho/Wyoming/Montana [they beat down the *open container* and speed limit laws there as their first priority, and will go after the seat belt laws in turn.]

But yep, after a half-dozen years in crime-rotten Memphis, I'm good to go for a change too, even if it is a chilly one. I'll be up around the North Conway/Crawford's Notch area; once you see the flag on my FR profile page change, look me up- or catch me at the Weirs Beach biker bash at Laconia- I've previously made it there about every 5 years; I should do a little better in the future.

Hey, you want on the FSP ping list too?

-archy-/-

43 posted on 12/30/2003 10:11:47 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: PoorMuttly
...and there is NO pistol permit there...not necessary !

Nope. That's Vermont, and now Alaska, which essentially copied the Vermont law with a couple of refinements. But there's something similar being drafted for NH. Interestingly, when several of the NH police agencies began to oppose the idea, it was pointed out to them that if things were so safe that the citizens had no need of personal protection, reductions of 25% or so of the personnel in those departments could commence...and now they seem to be more supportive.

...so the little tykes can have their own .454 in case the reindeer bolts for the cheese.

Well, I figure a .444 or .45-70 leveraction should do the job nicely, or a good 12-gauge. My kid's favoured Lee-Enfield would probably work okay for him, and if a handgun is really called for [handy under a parka where it'll stay warm] I expect my .41 magnum would do.

An escaped reindeer is no joke; those antlers are sharp and dangerous. Many of the Lapp herders I saw in Finland were carrying Valmet assault rifle copies of the AK47, either for protection against wolves and feral dogs, or reindeer on the loose, particularly in rutting season. Interestingly, the 7,62x54r is not considered sufficiently powerful there for use as a *sporting* cartridge for taking moose/alg; a .338 or better is required.

44 posted on 12/30/2003 10:27:41 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Squantos
*ping*
45 posted on 12/30/2003 10:51:47 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("When surrounded...attack !" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: tallhappy
Why stop there? Why have murder laws? Why put up stop signs. Responsible individuals should just not murder and stop when they need to. This is 60's hippie commune-ism trickled down after three decades.

Actually, all we need is a law against stupidity, that way all the idiots who can't think through an argument can be deported to, er, where did you say you live?

46 posted on 12/30/2003 11:25:07 AM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: archy
It's not at all the land of [frozen] milk and honey, though it sure beats out a lot of alternatives.

I used to live in New Hampshire; I know precisely what I'm dealing with, and I'm looking forward to it.

But yep, after a half-dozen years in crime-rotten Memphis, I'm good to go for a change too, even if it is a chilly one.

That's funny...I'm at the OTHER END of this hell-hole of a state. Pretty area (excepting the MOUNDS of roadside trash), but my wife and I can't stay in an area where the women think sex is "work". :-)

47 posted on 12/30/2003 2:36:07 PM PST by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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To: jmc813
I missed this in the paper today somehow! How many freepers are going to this utopia ya think?
48 posted on 12/30/2003 2:39:11 PM PST by ladyinred (God Bless our Troops!)
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To: JustAmy
. Couldn't they find someplace a little warmer?

Yeah, like Hawaii?

49 posted on 12/30/2003 2:40:36 PM PST by ladyinred (God Bless our Troops!)
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To: archy
Hey, you want on the FSP ping list too?

Guilty of PBT again (Posting Before Thinking)...yes; please add me to that FSP list.

50 posted on 12/30/2003 2:43:29 PM PST by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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