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Egypt Airliner CRASHED in Egypt - A final update on root cause analysis? Technical Fault Blamed
Various | 1/3/2004 | ME

Posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:17 AM PST by Gorons

Egypt Plane Crash Kills 148; Technical Fault Blamed

By Ruben Sprich Reuters Saturday, January 3, 2004; 7:15 AM

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian Boeing 737 airliner carrying 135 mostly French tourists crashed into the Red Sea off the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday and a rescue team member said there were no survivors.

"The initial indications are that it was a technical fault, but that is only preliminary," Civil Aviation Ministry Secretary-General Hassan Abo Ghanima told Reuters. He had said earlier: "There is no sign of terrorism."

The plane, operated by the Egyptian company Flash Airlines, disappeared from radar screens minutes after take-off from Sharm el-Sheikh airport at 0244 GMT and crashed into deep water a few miles to the southeast, official sources said.

The pilots did not report any problem and the weather was normal with good visibility, official sources said. The plane was heading for Cairo to refuel, change crew and take on more passengers before flying on to Paris.

A French diplomat based in Egypt said there were 135 passengers aboard, all but one French, and 13 Egyptian and Moroccan crew members.

The crash coincided with intense U.S. concern about possible attacks involving civilian airliners, which has led to the cancellation of seven U.S.-bound flights in just over a week.

Egyptian military aircraft and ships, helped by small boats from nearby diving centers, launched a rescue operation at first light. Eyewitnesses said they were finding pieces of human bodies but no complete corpses and no survivors.

"We have half of a body here, half a body there. But we don't have any body in one piece," said a rescue worker, speaking by telephone from one of the boats.

"There's lots of personal stuff, small bags and toys. We have collected very small pieces of the plane but the body of the plane has sunk," said another rescue worker, who asked not to be named.

Yasser Imam, a spokesman for the local authorities, said: "What they have picked up so far is just fragments of bodies. The chances of finding complete bodies look slim because of the force with which the plane hit the surface of the water."

DEEP WATER

The plane crashed in the Strait of Tiran, between the Sinai peninsula and Saudi Arabia, where the water is hundreds of meters (feet) deep -- too deep for divers to reach the flight recording devices, diving school managers said.

French President Jacques Chirac telephoned his Egyptian counterpart Hosni Mubarak to obtain details of the crash and expressed his "deepest shock" at the tragedy, his office said.

Eyewitnesses in Sharm el-Sheikh said the rescue operation was concentrating on an area about half a mile off Naama Bay, the site of many large hotels.

An Egyptian armed forces C-130 transport plane and two helicopters were taking part in the search, witnesses said.

Flash Airlines is an Egyptian charter airline company based in Cairo and flying to European cities. It flew two Boeing 737-300 planes manufactured in 1993, according to its Web site.

The plane was maintained regularly in Norway and there was no sign of any mechanical fault before its last flight, the official Egyptian news agency MENA reported.

French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien went to Charles de Gaulle airport, where distraught friends and relatives of passengers on the flight were being told of the crash.

An eyewitness speaking on Egyptian television said people heard a loud noise at the time of the crash but he interpreted this as the sound of the plane hitting the water. "In the morning we were surprised by a kind of slapping noise in the sea, a very loud noise," said the unidentified witness.

Sharm el-Sheikh, a major diving resort, is considered one of the most secure places in Egypt because of its isolation and Mubarak's frequent presence. Police man checkpoints on the only paved roads into the resort and check travelers' identities.

The last major crash by an Egyptian plane took place in May 2002, when a Boeing 767 of the state airline EgyptAir crashed near Tunis airport, killing 15 people.

In October 1999, an EgyptAir Boeing 767 dived into the sea off Nantucket, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board.

On Christmas Day, a Beirut-bound Boeing 727 smashed into the Atlantic after take-off from Benin, killing 138 people.

© 2004 Reuters


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 737; airflash; airliner; airsec; crash; egypt; egyptair; flash604; flashair; flight8604; france; fsh604; orangealert4; planecrash; redsea; sharmelsheik; sharmelsheikh; terrorism
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To: _Jim; asb3pe
Conspiracy, conspiracy - who has the conspiracy

--you like that word, eh Arlen? Is it your security blanket?

161 posted on 01/03/2004 9:59:50 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: SteveAustin
The main article lists the May 2002 crash as a 767....however,

May 7, 2002 An Egyptair Boeing 737 has crashed on a flight from Cairo to Tunis. Early reports say at least 20 of the 55 passengers and 10 crew survived.

The aircraft came down in heavy fog and rain about four miles from Tunis-Carthage airport.

Airport officials in Tunis are quoted as saying the plane's landing gear had failed to open during the approach to the airport.

The pilot put out a distress call as he was making a second attempt to land and the control tower then lost contact with the plane.

162 posted on 01/03/2004 10:00:09 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: thesummerwind
You mean it isn't flat? ;~)
163 posted on 01/03/2004 10:01:16 AM PST by verity
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To: _Jim
Mud - we need more 'mud' slung up against the wall ........ we need more mud on the wall!

Have another drink.

164 posted on 01/03/2004 10:02:29 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: longjack
a technical defect

ROFL -------------------very specific!

165 posted on 01/03/2004 10:05:14 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: _Jim
did they SOMEHOW make a comeback for *style* reasons

--- yeh, just like those 30's depression-style lamps. Give it up, Kallstrom.

166 posted on 01/03/2004 10:07:50 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: freeperfromnj
That's eerie. From seeing so many pictures of Usama talking, that is his hand!! His gestures are very distinctive.
167 posted on 01/03/2004 10:13:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: asb3pe; _Jim
Not that it will mean anything to you of course. In case you missed it, I will say it again - this is all my own opinion.

Old Arlen doesn't want to hear anyone else's opinion.

He knows everything, and just is a name caller today - "conspiracist, conspiracist". He thinks if he says it long enough, you will go away ......... with your unwelcome opinion! He is not interested in a back and forth.

168 posted on 01/03/2004 10:13:18 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: freeperfromnj
That hand is pretty much at Riyadh. Wonder what the text says??
169 posted on 01/03/2004 10:16:54 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
It's pretty hard to make out. There's a lot of speculation about that and other recent threats on that thread -- you probably need a couple of hours to sift through it all.
170 posted on 01/03/2004 10:22:35 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: longjack
the information about the plane turning back came out 4 or 5 hours after the reports that the plane had crashed, which was 3 or 4 hours after the crash

Yep, here we go again. Remember right after Flight 587 went down when a few citizens were shown on N.Y. TV having seen the plane blow up near its middle. All of a sudden, those reports were pulled, like a bad thread here at FR. This smells real bad.

171 posted on 01/03/2004 10:22:50 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: eno_; SteveAustin; _Jim
These third-world propaganda guys flush their credibility down the toilet pretty fast.

Yeh they flushed their credibility fast alright, faster than Hillary hitting the ground in Iraq and criticizing the war support for the troops.

172 posted on 01/03/2004 10:27:59 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
All of a sudden, those reports were pulled, like a bad thread here at FR. This smells real bad.

Yup.

Eyewitness testimony by non-technical civilians - pretty much worthless.

CONTRAST that with the "trained eyes" and competant 'witness' from a number of pilots in the air that day that observed the activities surrounding TWA800 -

- I'll bet you have NEVER read their reports - have you Chicken Little?

(Chicken Little: "Where's my sky - where's my sky - has it been 'pulled' yet?")

173 posted on 01/03/2004 10:29:45 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
You can call names all you want, Arlen. You should not have taken that job as a tool.
174 posted on 01/03/2004 10:35:54 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: freeperfromnj
Thanks for posting the link ffnj, I had to go do some other stuff and never got back to it. What do you think?
175 posted on 01/03/2004 10:41:05 AM PST by LikeLight ( ___________________________________ it's a line)
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To: _Jim
Well, given that there is a High Probability (according to the US government no less) of Islamic psychos using commercial aircraft to commit mass murder, and given that another Egypt Air jet went down in 1999 with its pilot yelling "Allah Ahkbar!" as he plunged it into the ocean, perhaps we might be allowed a certain hesitancy in swallowing the near-instantaneous conclusion of "no sign of terrorism".

I'm sure Flight 587 crashed in Queens a couple weeks after 9/11 purely by accident as well. That "wake turbulence" story sure makes more sense than a shoe-bomber.
176 posted on 01/03/2004 10:43:59 AM PST by Burr5
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To: Burr5
perhaps we might be allowed a certain hesitancy in swallowing the near-instantaneous conclusion of "no sign of terrorism".

... and I so much as admit this in post #58 (or so) - right now, we have *very* little in the way of factual information to go on, save some of the known history (inherent design/manufacturing flaws) of some of these series of aircraft ...

PART of the problem, right now, is a maligning, dysfunctional 'filter' called the press or news media - we get only pieces of the story and sometimes outright misinformation because of the highly technical nature of flight/flying/flight control and instrumentation systems/ aircraft mechanicals and on top of that we have other such factors as weather, people/pilots and navaids/communications to also consider at the right time ...

177 posted on 01/03/2004 11:39:50 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Gorons
bump for later read
178 posted on 01/03/2004 11:41:51 AM PST by EverOnward
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To: weegee
Accidents happen. I am just surprised that some of the wacko groups don't come forward to claim responibility (whether they are or not). If they are responsible for any, then it could be they are afraid of our retribution. Sort of like OBL, the Taliban, Saddam and the DNC were afraid to take credit for 911. Praise and Deny is what they thought would save thier behinds.
179 posted on 01/03/2004 11:57:49 AM PST by FreeAtlanta
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To: Gorons; All
I think this is evidence that the Islamists aren't too pleased with Chirac's recent prohibition on muslim dress.

There have been world wide protests. Of course, our liberal media doesn't mention it. Chirac, the hero of the Left, has gotten a total pass. If Dubya had proposed such a measure, the usual suspects would be saying it was like Nazi Germany. But Vichy Jacques never gets accused of being a Nazi.

If you hate America, the Left will love you no matter what.

Disgraceful!
180 posted on 01/03/2004 12:30:29 PM PST by faithincowboys ( Zell Miller is the only DC Democrat not commiting treason.)
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