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Do Not Post Images From Rotten.com and Foo.ca

Posted on 01/03/2004 5:51:16 AM PST by I Am Not A Mod

Edited on 01/03/2004 9:23:56 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

Hello everyone.

Occasionally we have had to point this out to people on threads, but I don't think the word is getting around because it keeps happening.

Some Freepers like posting images on Free Republic, which is fine by me. Some are absolutely hilarious.

And some Freepers like to go to Rotten.com to look at the graphics there, and then decide to post them to threads here.

The problem is that Rotten.com hates us, and hates conservatives. Whoever it is over there likens us to nazis.

When one posts an image from rotten.com on a thread, it may look normal on that user's computer, if the image is in the user's cache. However, for all the other users, the image won't be what the poster intended. The rotten.com server sees that the img request came from Free Republic, and swaps it out with something else. Sometimes it is porn (of the more vile sort, to be honest). Sometimes it is a picture of a rotting corpse with some text calling us gun-freak nazis who love female corpses.

So please do us a favor, and yourself a favor too since others might think that you intended to post whatever graphic ends up being displayed, and avoid rotten.com when posting to Free Republic.

And if you want to still give them your traffic by visiting their site despite the fact that they hate your guts, that is your own business and I really couldn't care less.

Thanks!

Update: While Rotten.com does indeed do this to us, and while rotten.com was the source of the picture that was involved, the site that did the switch this time was foo.ca.

Here is the image they swapped:

Click to see it- warning, it is gross.

Given the name of the URL, I am guessing it was the pic of the lady golfer kissing the trophy she won.


Got a freepmail that has a good tip in it:

"When one posts an image from rotten.com on a thread, it may look normal on that user's computer, if the image is in the user's cache."

A slick and foolproof way to avoid this problem with any site is to search for images with a different browser than the browser in which one is posting.

I search in Explorer and post in Safari. Nothing from Explorer goes into my Safari cache, so whatever image I preview in Safari will be exactly as the rest of the forum will see it. Works for all browsers and all websites. Also provides protection against the Red X, "hosted by tripod," etc.

I thought of posting this on the thread, but it's already 100 replies, and would probably get lost. Perhaps a re-edit wit this tip might be useful.

Thanks to the always helpful Sabertooth for that handy tip!


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1 posted on 01/03/2004 5:51:17 AM PST by I Am Not A Mod
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2 posted on 01/03/2004 5:52:05 AM PST by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: fnord
Not singling you out for any reason other than you were the latest that they messed with.
3 posted on 01/03/2004 5:52:10 AM PST by I Am Not A Mod
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To: I Am Not A Mod
Thanks for the lecture. I'd have never been able to decide a matter as significant as this on my own.
4 posted on 01/03/2004 5:53:23 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Glenn
It has nothing to do with making a decision. We don't want porn and decaying bodies on the forum. And most people don't want to accidentally post such things, and with the way caches work, they wouldn't even realize that they are doing so.
5 posted on 01/03/2004 5:56:39 AM PST by I Am Not A Mod
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To: I Am Not A Mod
I did not realize that. Sigh....some are hilarious, but now must add rotten.com to my no-go list.
6 posted on 01/03/2004 5:58:46 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: I Am Not A Mod
We don't want porn and decaying bodies on the forum.

I'm still reeling from "Tub Girl" a couple months back. Some things should never be seen by mortal man.

7 posted on 01/03/2004 5:59:54 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: I Am Not A Mod
I, as a frequent poster of images (but not from there), had absolutely no idea someone like rotten.com could actually substitute; the more I learn about this business, the more I realize how little I know....just damn!
8 posted on 01/03/2004 6:01:53 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: I Am Not A Mod
Like this?

Oh so sorry. That is ghastly.

9 posted on 01/03/2004 6:02:09 AM PST by G.Mason ( Oh Hillary? ....... GWB is waiting.)
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To: I Am Not A Mod
We don't want porn and decaying bodies on the forum. And most people don't want to accidentally post such things, and with the way caches work, they wouldn't even realize that they are doing so.

Oh. Now I see. Caches post images. I'm such an idiot. Thanks again. How did I ever get along in life without your wisdom and instruction?

By the way, who in the hell is "We"?

10 posted on 01/03/2004 6:02:24 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
You could SAVE a picture from rotten.com to your own photo-hoster, couldn't you? Then they couldn't switch it on you.

But I suppose it would only encourage others to go there and link to images, thereby perpetuating the problem.
11 posted on 01/03/2004 6:02:25 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: G.Mason
Watch what happens if we leave it up.
12 posted on 01/03/2004 6:03:53 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: I Am Not A Mod
Thanks for the info. I had no idea that could be done. And my, what a charming a group they must be over at R.com
13 posted on 01/03/2004 6:06:31 AM PST by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: Glenn
He didn't say "caches post images". That is YOUR incorrect conclusion. His statement explains why the poster would not even be aware that a gross image had been posted on Free Republic.

BTW: "We" is most of us!!
14 posted on 01/03/2004 6:07:21 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Glenn
Smart alec eh??????????
15 posted on 01/03/2004 6:07:54 AM PST by Neets
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To: ErnBatavia
absolutely no idea someone like rotten.com could actually substitute

Oh, it happened to me once. I googled up some pics of Joe Scarborough and posted one without carefully looking at the site that was hosting the image. Next thing I knew, my post was showing a picture of George Bush wearing a Hitler mustache and standing in front of a Nazi flag.

16 posted on 01/03/2004 6:08:18 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: the_Watchman
His statement explains why the poster would not even be aware that a gross image had been posted on Free Republic.

Hogwash. It's bull. Show me one time where a "cache" had a single thing to do with an inappropriate post of an image on FR.

As to your "we" group -- Is it four legs good, two legs bad or the other way around?

17 posted on 01/03/2004 6:10:45 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Glenn
Put a nice big shot of something or other in your next cup, won't you? Otherwise I'm going to have to call you Grumpy Glenn.
18 posted on 01/03/2004 6:11:01 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Lead Moderator
I keep refreshing the thread to see it change. How long does it take?

19 posted on 01/03/2004 6:11:17 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Glenn
Thank you for clarifying the attitude with which you are posting. I had not caught on to it the first time.

Let me explain in more detail.

If a user goes to Rotten.com and browses from their web pages, each time an IMG tag is accessed and the image is loaded, the rotten.com server can tell that the tag was on a page served from its own server, and will present the image.

When a rotten.com image is posted to a thread here, when the rotten.com server gets the request for the IMG, it can tell from the http headers that the requesting page was not a rotten.com page. It can also tell that the requesting page was a Free Republic thread.

Many sites use this ability to tell what page generated the request for an image in order to substitute another image, so that people don't post their images and use their bandwidth. Angelfire is an example of this.

Rotten.com has this habit of changing images posted to FR to be something particularly nasty. You don't have to believe me, plenty of others have seen it before.

A user's cache comes in to play because it can make it so that a user does not notice that the image has been swapped on him. If the user had viewed the correct image at rotten.com, and then goes to post it here, when the user gets the preview page it can (depending on browser settings) just show him the cached image for that URL, rather than going to the server to get the image served again. Everyone else would get whatever the server delivers- which has been "Tub Girl", it has been some gay porn, it has been some decaying bodies.

I hope you have a great New Year, Glenn.

20 posted on 01/03/2004 6:12:23 AM PST by I Am Not A Mod
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To: Neets
Smart alec eh??????????

It's an easier job than dictating to the unwashed their surfing and posting habits.

21 posted on 01/03/2004 6:12:32 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: William Terrell
Looks like we got a decaying body.
22 posted on 01/03/2004 6:13:46 AM PST by OwenKellogg
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To: I Am Not A Mod
not sure to what you are referring ...
23 posted on 01/03/2004 6:13:53 AM PST by fnord (Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence)
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To: Glenn
Get over it. Rotten swaps URLs of images that get posted to FR. Porn and Guts are their favorites.
24 posted on 01/03/2004 6:14:01 AM PST by Rebelbase (If I stay on topic for more than 2 posts something is wrong. Alert the authorities.)
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To: William Terrell
Don't know if it is an automatic process or a manual one. That it hasn't happened yet, I suspect a manual one.

So who knows?

25 posted on 01/03/2004 6:14:25 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Glenn
It's an easier job than dictating to the unwashed their surfing and posting habits.

So is being an ass.

26 posted on 01/03/2004 6:14:40 AM PST by Neets
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To: Lead Moderator
Its early in the morning, only FR mods are working.
27 posted on 01/03/2004 6:15:41 AM PST by Rebelbase (If I stay on topic for more than 2 posts something is wrong. Alert the authorities.)
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To: fnord
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1045158/posts

You had posted something to this thread, correct? Or did I get the wrong name off the post before we wiped it?
28 posted on 01/03/2004 6:16:16 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: hellinahandcart
You may have to right click the picture, then SAVE_AS something on YOUR computer, then place it somewhere that switching could notr occur.


We have the same problem with text. If we link to somewhere else, the ELSE people could change whatever was there and the next folks to come along would see something different than what may have been expected.

Folks that have MY homepage url fixed as one of their favorites will DEFINITELY see something different every month.

ROTTON may hate us and switch things out, but they run the problem of NOT having their cute little picture available to ANYONE then! (I think)
29 posted on 01/03/2004 6:16:47 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: OwenKellogg
I still see the Jackson ID.

30 posted on 01/03/2004 6:16:52 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Lead Moderator
Fascinating...
31 posted on 01/03/2004 6:17:01 AM PST by mhking (My brother and I had never seen The Belt........but we had heard about it....)
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To: OwenKellogg
Looks like we got a decaying body.

LOL, you made me look. And you're right. ;P

32 posted on 01/03/2004 6:17:04 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Glenn
The poster's cache holds the original image which he continues to see from his/her own cache. That person's browser will not bother to retrieve the image. Everyone else has to go the to original source. Therefore, the switcheroo occurs for everyone except for the original poster.
33 posted on 01/03/2004 6:17:47 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Lead Moderator
"Watch what happens if we leave it up."

I'm starting to get the picture. (duh)

Like a kid, I just had to see for myself. ;)

34 posted on 01/03/2004 6:18:33 AM PST by G.Mason ( Oh Hillary? ....... GWB is waiting.)
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To: William Terrell
I still see the Jackson ID.

That's the decaying body.

35 posted on 01/03/2004 6:18:42 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Glenn
If you spit on the floor at home, go home to spit.
36 posted on 01/03/2004 6:19:31 AM PST by lonestar (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: fnord
Busted!
37 posted on 01/03/2004 6:19:39 AM PST by Rebelbase (If I stay on topic for more than 2 posts something is wrong. Alert the authorities.)
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To: I Am Not A Mod
Why not just code it out?
38 posted on 01/03/2004 6:19:51 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Glenn
Oh. Now I see. Caches post images. I'm such an idiot. Thanks again. How did I ever get along in life without your wisdom and instruction?

That's not what he said. I knew some kids in grade school that had comprehension problems.

By the way, who in the hell is "We"?

Maybe the people that own and run this site.

39 posted on 01/03/2004 6:21:14 AM PST by grimalkin (Do not take counsel of your fears. -General Patton)
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To: AppyPappy
It's been requested to John months ago when it started happening. I think he is trying to avoid having a filter run on every reply.
40 posted on 01/03/2004 6:21:26 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: lonestar
If you spit on the floor at home, go home to spit.

Thanks, Mom.

41 posted on 01/03/2004 6:21:41 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: AppyPappy
You're being to damn technical for those of us who are pre-caffinated.
42 posted on 01/03/2004 6:21:53 AM PST by Rebelbase (If I stay on topic for more than 2 posts something is wrong. Alert the authorities.)
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To: I Am Not A Mod
Yeah....so what. I've noted that a lot of freepers compare Howard Dean to Fidel Castro. It is called political invective and both sides use it.
43 posted on 01/03/2004 6:21:56 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Lead Moderator
yes I did, a couple of weeks ago. I don't remember if it was from Rotten.com, but it was pretty risque anyway ...
44 posted on 01/03/2004 6:22:42 AM PST by fnord (Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence)
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To: hellinahandcart
(Oh. You're right.)

But I wanna see the switcheroo.

45 posted on 01/03/2004 6:22:56 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
Me too, I'm hangin' around on purpose to see it (and I'll probably be real sorry).

Their webmaster must be asleep.
46 posted on 01/03/2004 6:24:50 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: grimalkin
Maybe the people that own and run this site.

In disguise?

iamnotamod certainly isn't the owner.

47 posted on 01/03/2004 6:25:06 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Captain Kirk; Glenn
Did your local grocery store have a sale on Wizzinmy Cornflakes this morning?
48 posted on 01/03/2004 6:25:31 AM PST by Neets
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To: William Terrell; Lead Moderator
It's true! Five minutes ago, this was a picture of Paris Hilton.

Now look!


49 posted on 01/03/2004 6:27:14 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Lead Moderator
there used to be a way to upload images to FR serversm but I can't seem to find the link now.
50 posted on 01/03/2004 6:27:35 AM PST by fnord (Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence)
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