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Dean Narrowing Separation of Church and Stump; Invokes Muslim Phrases; Claims Biblical Knowledge
New York Times ^ | January 4, 2004 | JODI WILGOREN

Posted on 01/03/2004 6:23:24 PM PST by nwrep

STORM LAKE, Iowa, Jan. 3 — Little by little, the Lord is seeping into Howard Dean's presidential campaign.

In South Carolina the other day, an invocation preceded the political speeches, and David Mack, a state legislator, closed the rally with "God bless you and keep you." In Iowa last weekend, Dr. Dean referred to the New Testament. On Friday in New Hampshire, he invoked a Muslim phrase, "inshallah," God willing, to make a point about Americans believing they control their destiny.

"I'm still learning a lot about faith and the South and how important it is," Dr. Dean, the former governor of Vermont, said as he flew here, 150 miles northwest of Des Moines, Friday night on his chartered jet, predicting he would mention God more and more in the coming weeks. "It doesn't make me more religious or less religious than I was before, but it means that I'm willing to talk about it in different ways."

Dr. Dean recently told an audience in Iowa that he prayed daily. On the plane he declined to detail his prayer ritual but described how a 2002 trip to Israel deepened his understanding of the connections between Judaism and Christianity. He named Job as his favorite New Testament book, then later corrected himself, noting that it is in the Old Testament.

"I'm a New Englander, so I'm not used to wearing religion on my sleeve and being as open about it," he said. "I'm gradually getting more comfortable with talking about religion in ways that I did not talk about it before."

The changes come amid concern from several corners about the stridently secular tone of his campaign so far. In contrast to his Democratic opponents, who frequently discuss their faith in public, not to mention the born-again incumbent, President Bush, Dr. Dean said plainly in an interview a couple of months back: "I don't think that religion ought to be part of American policy."

A cover story in The New Republic last month, headlined "Howard Dean's religion problem," called him "one of the most secular candidates to run for president in modern history," and suggested this would "mark him as culturally alien to much of the country." A rash of columns followed with similar warnings, and voters have begun to inquire about the issue at town hall meetings.

"I'm pretty religious," he responded the other day in Waterloo, Iowa. "I pray every day, but I'm from New England, so I just keep it to myself.

"Don't you think Jerry Falwell reminds you a lot more of the Pharisees than he does of the teachings of Jesus?" he added. "And don't you think this campaign ought to be about evicting the money-changers from the temple?"

Dr. Dean grew up spending Sundays in an Episcopal church, and attended religious boarding school, but became a Congregationalist after the Episcopal church he belonged to in Burlington, Vt., refused to yield land for a bike path around Lake Champlain that he championed. His wife is Jewish and their children observe both traditions, though the family stopped attending services years ago after scolding sermons about once-a-year attendees.

The campaign has brought Dr. Dean back to the pews, clapping along with hymns in African-American churches from Harlem to San Francisco. At a Hanukkah party for his staff last month in Manchester, N.H., Dr. Dean proudly chanted the blessing over the candles in well-accented Hebrew and then repeated it for an Israeli television crew.

During the interview Friday night, Dr. Dean said he was moved during a tour of the Old City in Jerusalem when his guide pointed out half a house next to a stone wall that King Hezekiah had ordered built to defend against invaders. In a neighboring house, "you can sit on the third floor and you can pray, and you look out the window and you look down at the wall and the house and understand that 3,000 years ago people prayed the same prayers in the same language," Dr. Dean said. "Now that's an extraordinary thing that happens when you go to Israel."

Touring with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Dr. Dean also visited Galilee, where Jesus preached the Sermon on the Mount. "If you know much about the Bible — which I do — to see and be in a place where Christ was and understand the intimate history of what was going on 2,000 years ago is an exceptional experience," he said.

Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."

Job, the Old Testament story of a righteous man who suffers hardships as a test of his faith, ends with the Lord restoring his fortunes and the protagonist living to be "an old man, and full of days." Some scholars have posited that the original ending may have been more dour.

An hour after his comments, Dr. Dean returned to the clutch of reporters, saying he realized he had misspoken because Job is not in the New Testament.

"Many people believe that the original version of Job is the version where there is not a change, Job ends up completely destitute and ruined," he said. "It's been a long time since I looked at this, but it's believed that was added much, much later. Many people believe that the original ending was about the power of God and the power of God was almighty and all knowing and it wasn't necessary that everybody was going to be redeemed."

Asked again about his favorite part of the New Testament, Dr. Dean said, "Anything in the Gospels."

His press secretary, Doug Thornell, telephoned late Friday night to say that Dr. Dean did not mean to imply he was some kind of expert.

"He obviously has read the Bible and knows the passages fairly well," Mr. Thornell said, "but just in terms of having a theologian's knowledge of the Bible, he doesn't want to pass on the impression that he does."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; britain; christianlist; dean; deanschristianity; electionpresident; howarddean; talk
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To: freebilly
Howard Dean figured he'd get the Union vote by mentioning the book of Jobs....

Sure, everyone wants a Job. I wonder how he pronounced the word?

101 posted on 01/03/2004 7:50:45 PM PST by Fifth Business
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To: madprof98
Sadly, I think those people might be in the majority, and nonsense like this won't bother them a bit, even if it should reach their ears.

True. But what even most of those people do not like in a candidate is someone who is blatently pretending to be something he's not. And that is the main issue with this hilarious screw-up.

102 posted on 01/03/2004 7:54:26 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Go, Dean, Go.)
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To: madprof98
But they don't claim to be believing Christians, do they?
103 posted on 01/03/2004 7:55:01 PM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep
"Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said.

OK, somebody replace "New Testament" with "Old Testament" in this quote, and explain to me how it makes any more sense.

104 posted on 01/03/2004 7:55:05 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: nwrep
This story read like a Saturday night Live SKIT!!! JOB in the NEW Testament!! Geesh, Louise!! What a DUMBBASS! (notice the spelling AM)!! LOOOOOOOSER.....although he KNOWS that the people he is talking to are ALSO stupid.
105 posted on 01/03/2004 8:00:31 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: spectre
I hope I don't embarrass myself, as I'm certainly not a biblical scholar, but wasn't there references of Job bedding his daughters? Or was it Jeremiah? If I'm correct that would be the source of Dean's notions of Southerners. He thinks they all ride around in pickup trucks with Confederate flags, a hound dog, a six-pack on their laps, and way too much inbreeding. </sarcasm> };^D)
106 posted on 01/03/2004 8:01:20 PM PST by RJayneJ
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To: Texas_Dawg
Howard Dean would make a great Sunday School teacher.

Based on Howard Dean's knowledge of Scripture, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job of keeping Church and State separated....

107 posted on 01/03/2004 8:01:30 PM PST by freebilly
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To: nwrep
Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different..."

As a wise man once said "The more you try the more you die." He should have never gone down this road. Most people would be cool with a candidate who didn't invoke religion. And they'd certainly be happier with that than a candidate who pretends to be religious but obviously has no clue what he's talking about.

I can't even make out what he thinks he's talking about. Does he think the Bible contains multiple versions of Job?

108 posted on 01/03/2004 8:02:04 PM PST by MattAMiller (Saddam has been brought to justice in my name. How about yours?)
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To: sgtbono2002
Wonder "if the hair stands up on his neck" iwhen he'
s in those black Churches, like he said it stood up when he was the only white person in a college dorm room???? What a MARROOOOOON.
109 posted on 01/03/2004 8:03:06 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: Fifth Business
Sure, everyone wants a Job. I wonder how he pronounced the word?

He pronounced it "Affirmative Action"....

110 posted on 01/03/2004 8:10:40 PM PST by freebilly
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To: freebilly
Howard's problem is he's mistaking the dems. ability to get the dead vote every election with actually raising the dead.
111 posted on 01/03/2004 8:12:55 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: MattAMiller
Does he think the Bible contains multiple versions of Job?

He must have a Democrat version of the Bible. In that version God restores everything Job has lost, then the government comes and taxes him on Capital Gains....

112 posted on 01/03/2004 8:13:58 PM PST by freebilly
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To: mhking
"It doesn't make me more religious or less religious than I was before, but it means that I'm willing to talk about it in different ways."

LOL, whatever gives me votes

113 posted on 01/03/2004 8:15:09 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Freedom isn't won by soundbites but by the unyielding determination and sacrifice given in its cause)
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To: mhking
Separation of Church and Stump

I love this expression!

114 posted on 01/03/2004 8:17:12 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
he's mistaking the dems. ability to get the dead vote every election with actually raising the dead.

Maybe Dean can raise some of those who committed Arkancide around x42....

115 posted on 01/03/2004 8:19:18 PM PST by freebilly
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To: Kuksool
The Campaign-in-the-Black Church-strategy backfired considerably for former California Gov. Gray Davis. Even with Bill Clinton in tow.

...Unfortunately if any GOP candidate were to do what the Dims have made a science for decades, the Media would have a collective conniption, as well as the ACLU, People For the (Un)American Way, "Rev" Barry Linn, and Robert Nedow calling for the guy's resignation. This is a double standard that should be challenged more strongly by our Republican elected officials in both houses of the Congress; pressure needs to be placed on the IRS to threaten revocation of these churches' tax-free exemptions, period. The Pastors in question should also be penalized by their peers for allowing such nonsense to take place in God's House. This sort of thing is NEVER permitted at my church, thank heavens.

-Regards, T.
116 posted on 01/03/2004 8:21:07 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: RJayneJ
That would be Lot. Three letters. Easy to confuse with Job. :^)
117 posted on 01/03/2004 8:22:05 PM PST by freebilly
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To: MeeknMing
...and while I'm agreeing with him, I'm standing there with a Bush-Cheney '04 lapel pin on my trenchcoat. Hehe...
118 posted on 01/03/2004 8:23:57 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Texas_Dawg
"I hope your boss's fund-raiser is a huge success."

I love the smell of dem money flushing down the toilet in the morning! Smells like victory!

119 posted on 01/03/2004 8:28:01 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Kuksool
Deans sudden interest is to incite the southern white/black moderate vote. He's striving to move to the center in his own pathetic way.

The GOP has shunned the black churches.

Really? Maybe Republicans are just more honest about their faith and don't pander like the Democrat party candidates.

As a result, blacks became "Broken Glass Democratic Voters" for Bill Clinton.

I don't agree. Black votes have predominately gone to the Democrat party and have never become "broken glass" (a term that should only be used with the word Republican behind it ; imho) Democrat voters.

120 posted on 01/03/2004 8:28:16 PM PST by Boxsford
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