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Notice Regarding Immigration Related Threads

Posted on 01/04/2004 7:55:31 PM PST by Lead Moderator

Edited on 01/04/2004 8:43:28 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Sabertooth
"One suggestion: why not have and Immigration/Borders "hot topic" forum, as you do with Anthrax Scare and War on Terror?"

Because I don't have the ability to configure it. John does, but I do not know what is on his plate right now.

In the meanwhile, how about you and others helping out by making sure that these threads get a keyword of "illegals", "immigration" or "borders"? Then I can find them more easily just by using this and this and this.

101 posted on 01/05/2004 6:42:22 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Lead Moderator
I AM a bigot!! I don't like thieves or deadbeats.
102 posted on 01/05/2004 6:52:08 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Yes, isn't it though?

Bump!

g in AZ

103 posted on 01/05/2004 7:19:46 AM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: DLfromthedesert

Well, the issue of undocumented immigration is a different one from thievery or freeloaderism. I look forward to seeing you on any thread condemning, say, tax-evaders or dads who refuse to provide for their own children. Are you claiming that undocumented immigrants are all despicable thieves or deadbeats? That would be an example of bigotry.

104 posted on 01/05/2004 7:27:29 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: DLfromthedesert
The problem on this thread is that many of the posters don't live in border states. They haven't seen what we have seen. The crime rate for Phoenix is climbing rapidly and ILLEGAL ALIENS are reported by police departments for much of home invasions, murders, rapes, etc.

g

105 posted on 01/05/2004 7:45:00 AM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: Geezerette
During it's heyday Sanctuaries favorite dumping point was Illinois, Chicago still has the best Mexican restaraunt I've ever been to (and I've been to a lot). Aliens (both legal and illegal) don't necessarily stay close to the border. While it's a bigger problem in border states (they have to buffer zone where the day-illegals hang out) it's not exclusively our problem.
106 posted on 01/05/2004 7:49:37 AM PST by discostu (stay alert, trust no one, keep your laser handy)
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To: discostu
Thanks for the reply.

The ranchers along our side of the border and the Tono Odom (sp?) Reservation are overwhelmed with the garbage and refuse left by hundreds of illegals. I have seen reports and photo evidence of what these ranchers have to deal with.

Unfortunately, we have a democrat governor who is chummy with Vicente Fox, so it's rather a hopeless situation for our border towns and cities.

g

107 posted on 01/05/2004 7:55:38 AM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: Sabertooth
"Handshake promises of future diligence will not be trusted from any politician of either party, including President Bush."

Isn't is unfortunate we even have to think such words, let alone speak them.

If just half of the eighteen points you've laid out could be implemented tomorrow, we would save hundreds of millions of dollars this week.

108 posted on 01/05/2004 8:03:54 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Geezerette
I also think that many years of the media reporting the problem as unsolvable has caused us as a nation to pretty much throw our hands up about the whole border issue. It didn't used to be this bad, they at least cleaned up after themselves. These days though the official response seems to be nothing more than shaking the governmental head in mock sorrow. We need to get ourselves back to the point where we think the problem is asailable.
109 posted on 01/05/2004 8:07:56 AM PST by discostu (stay alert, trust no one, keep your laser handy)
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To: Lead Moderator
Immigration does not bother me in the least.

This sums it up very clearly. Say no more...

110 posted on 01/05/2004 8:10:21 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Lead Moderator
"I oppose illegal immigration. However, it is not my top issue, nor is it in my top five issues."

You haven't listed your top five issues, but would it be safe to assume that your sympathies lie on the Conservative side of those issues?

How could anyone imagine that Conservatism will prevail, if roughly 2 million new future (or in many cases immediate) Liberal/Leftist voters are added every year to the 'Legions of the Left' that are already here via out-of-control, massive, legal and illegal immigration?

How does one explain what happened to 'B-1' Bob Dornan in California without factoring in the negative impact of the 'illegal alien' vote?

Were Dornan's positions too Conservative for his constituency before Sanchez, his opponent, over-ran his district with her Liberal/Leftist, illegal alien hordes?

This is happening all over the country, now. There are many of us that are sincerely perturbed by this administration and Congress merely turning a blind eye to the influx of so many Leftist/Socialist/Marxists legally and illegally, so rapidly for reasons of political convenience.

The Right simply doesn't have the capability to win the hearts and minds of so many when they enter in numbers vast enough to simply vote Left, as they are automatically predisposed to do, and with their Leftist vote, vote themselves access to everyone else's wallet or purse before they even learn English.

This is why there are many of us that perceive out-of-control, legal and illegal immigration to be the linch pin of all other Conservative issues.

If your top five issues are in my top ten, rest assured that they will soon be relegated to social obscurity by this influx of 3rd-world, Leftist/Socialist/Marxist, future voters.

The illegal aliens already here need to be encouraged to deport themselves to their home countries. They are not needed, at all.

Anything else is not a solution, it's just a recipe for further failure.

At least, Conservatives will see it as a failure, Liberals will be dancing in the streets. ;^)

111 posted on 01/05/2004 8:12:20 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Actually, I will say more.

I infer from your reply that immigration does bother you.

That is fine. While I disagree with your position (assuming that it is your position) I have no problem with you expressing it, arguing it, debating it, advocating for it, and so forth.

What I would have a problem with is if you were to engage in personal attacks on anyone who does not share your views. What I would have a problem with is if you were trying to run off from this forum anyone who does not share your view in the matter.

Regards

112 posted on 01/05/2004 8:14:05 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Geezerette
"The ranchers along our side of the border and the Tono Odom (sp?) Reservation are overwhelmed with the garbage and refuse left by hundreds of illegals. I have seen reports and photo evidence of what these ranchers have to deal with."

I know there are many such instances of this occurring.

What ever happened to property rights?

If US citizens private property is being used to perform illiegal immigration there are all kinds of implications there that should come under the protection of the US gubmint.

It's so, so frustrating.

113 posted on 01/05/2004 8:14:32 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: 4Freedom
"You haven't listed your top five issues, but would it be safe to assume that your sympathies lie on the Conservative side of those issues?"

Safe assumption. My top five issues (and obviously, some issues cross over into other issues) are abortion, taxes, federalism, national security, and rkba. Those are not in any particular order.

114 posted on 01/05/2004 8:16:48 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: 4Freedom
Liberals will be dancing in the streets. ;^)

They'll never have to worry about being re-elected, will they?

On the bright side, a lot of Republican politicians are gonna be out of a job and all the perks that go with it. Ain't that sad? :)

115 posted on 01/05/2004 8:19:16 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Mike Darancette
Immigration threads seem long on speculation/hate/worry and short on facts/ideas. I'm waiting to see what ideas are actually offered up by the government.

Since this invasion of our country has been going on for well over 20 plus years, how long are you prepared to wait? Look at the facts. It's no wonder people are speculating, worrying and getting very angry.

This titanic invasion of millions of illegal aliens has been going on long before Bush's Dad was President. His Did also did absolutely nothing about it on his watch. Years later, we have upwards of 15 million illegal aliens in country.

The epic chaos being caused by this invasion is nationwide. They are taking jobs, driving up our taxes, many of our hospital ERs are standing room only, full of illegals that don't pay the bills, our land fills are full, our highways and freeways are jammed, they are choking off our social services that were met for American Citizens, and have created massive coast to coast fraud.

This government approved invasion is not only a national disgrace, it's now a national security nightmare.

It's a ticking time bomb, as hundreds of thousands continue to pour into our nation illegally.

So it quite understandable to see people extremely concerned about this never ending invasion. The solutions to this madness have been many, yet the government does not act.

The solutions are many and they have been suggested thousands of times. So what are these facts and ideas you speak of or are waiting for?

116 posted on 01/05/2004 8:29:55 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: 4Freedom; Lead Moderator
Were Dornan's positions too Conservative for his constituency before Sanchez, his opponent, over-ran his district with her Liberal/Leftist, illegal alien hordes?

Actually, Dornan's district was always the most liberal one in Orange County. He needed to campaign harder than the average member of Congress to be re-elected. Usually said campaigning revolved around how he took care of business for his constituents instead of his political opinions.

Dornan forgot that fact.

He engaged in a presidential bid that was doomed from the start, stayed with it well after it was obvious that it was a loser, and neglected taking care of his constituents. BTW, that's how Jim Bates lost his seat to Duncan Hunter in 1980. That lesson was NOT lost on Mr. Hunter--if you live in his district, and you have a federal problem, he makes stuff happen for you. He was burned out of his home in the fires--but he's still taking care of his constituents.

117 posted on 01/05/2004 8:31:14 AM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Lead Moderator
Your top five Conservative issues were tops with 'B-1' Bob Dornan, too.

Out-of-control legal and illegal immigration of 3rd-world, Leftist/Socialist/Marxist future and immediate voters is going to have the exact same negative impact on all of their political carreers.

Are you willing to agree that out-of-control, legal and illegal immigration is the linch-pin for all other Conservative issues and should be made your #1 issue, as well, yet?

If not, why not?

I'll be in the shower, so it may be a moment before I reply to your answer to this hugh question. ;^)

118 posted on 01/05/2004 8:34:23 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom
"Are you willing to agree that out-of-control, legal and illegal immigration is the linch-pin for all other Conservative issues and should be made your #1 issue, as well, yet?"

As I stated above, I am not going to be drawn into the debate. Sorry.

119 posted on 01/05/2004 8:38:47 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Lando Lincoln
You bet. It makes sense to me, too. Thanks ...

120 posted on 01/05/2004 8:49:04 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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