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Dean is No McGovern
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36445 ^ | 01-05-04 | Farah, Joseph

Posted on 01/05/2004 5:32:34 AM PST by Theodore R.

Dean is no McGovern

Posted: January 5, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Please don't misinterpret what I am about to say.

No one has been more critical of Howard Dean than I.

I think he is a phony. I think he is a socialist. I think he is an autocrat. I think he is a deceiver. I think he is a hypocrite. I think he is irresponsible and dangerous.

But please don't make the mistake conservatives and Republicans are making. Don't underestimate him. Don't dismiss him as George McGovern, the 1972 Democratic presidential nominee who lost in a landslide to President Richard Nixon.

There are some fundamental differences between Dean and McGovern and between the America that existed in 1972 and the America of 2004.

The Dean-McGovern analogy is often made because McGovern's candidacy was built largely around his anti-war stance and Dean has strongly attacked the war in Iraq.

Unfortunately, that is largely where the similarities end.

There are several points those making this comparison forget:

McGovern wasn't running against the president who started the war in Vietnam. He was running against a president who had succeeded in taking the wind out of the sails of the anti-war movement. How did Nixon do that? In his first term, he ended the draft and began a process of Vietnamization – turning much of the fighting in that war over to the Vietnamese.

McGovern had some major problems in his campaign – such as a vice-presidential nominee who was forced to drop off the ticket when it was disclosed he had been treated for depression.

McGovern also proposed in his economic program the idea of guaranteeing every American a minimum annual salary of $10,000, presumably to be paid directly by the government whether or not the person worked.

But what has changed in America between 1972 and 2004 may be the most significant factor for us to consider.

It had taken about six or seven years for the anti-war movement that fueled the McGovern campaign to build. It was a war America had bungled politically almost from the start. At its worst, American boys were coming home in body bags at the rate of hundreds per week. By contrast, today's anti-war movement objects to a war that is being won, a war that is being fought in response to a direct attack on the American homeland and a war that is remarkable for its dearth of casualties.

Still, despite those stark contrasts, there is a remarkably strong anti-war undercurrent in this country today. Even after the capture of Saddam Hussein, some 37 percent of Americans have strong reservations about the war in Iraq. At various times in the last year, the unpopularity of the war has risen to close to 50 percent. That suggests it remains a very volatile issue.

It wasn't that volatile in Vietnam in 1972. People knew where they stood on the war. It didn't change from day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute, based on developments – and, despite the costs, the hardships, the political bungling, the body counts and the protests, the anti-war sentiment never neared 50 percent.

What I'm saying is comparisons between Dean, or any other contemporary Democratic candidate, and McGovern is misleading because times have changed. America has changed. The political culture has changed.

In 1972, only 27 years after World War II, Americans, still understood sacrifice, commitment, integrity, principle, discipline, mission, stick-to-itiveness and the difference between right and wrong.

There is much more confusion today. A growing number of Americans are fat, lazy, immoral and stupid. That's the ace-in-the-hole of the Dean candidacy. That's what all the Democrats are counting upon – and, frankly, most Republicans as well.

Dean and today's Democrats start off with a much bigger constituency than did McGovern's Democrats. They should not be underestimated – or, as our current president might say, over-underestimated


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; antiwar; bush; dean; democrats; fatcitizens; howarddean; immoralcitizens; iraq; lazycitizens; mcgovern; nixon; republicans; stupidcitizens; vietnam
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1 posted on 01/05/2004 5:32:35 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
I whole-heartedly agree with this. Dean is politically more nimble than McGovern, and is less likely to cling to a losing idea if it bombs in polls. Dean is also taking positions which are less liberal than McGovern in both foreign/war policy and economic policy, so much so that he is cleverly declining from calling for a decrease in defense spending.

In addition, Dean is a lot more photogenic than McGovern, and will not make a stupid mistake like selecting a Peace Corp person as his running mate. Further, the Democratic party today is far more motivated to win than it was in 1972. I expect it to be a very close election.

People who are predicting 49 state landslides are still reeling from the effects of the New Years Eve party.

2 posted on 01/05/2004 5:45:32 AM PST by nwrep
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3 posted on 01/05/2004 5:46:24 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: nwrep
Here is what I think.

Howie

Your comments really crack me up,
I’d have to say you’re funny.
As funny as a hemorrhoid,
Or as a nose that’s runny.
Saddam’s capture no big deal,
Your stance is still the same.
You’re really sucking big on this,
I’d say your brain is lame.
But tell me Howie, I must know,
These speeches, just who writes them?
Katie Couric comes to mind,
Or Michael Moore, is it him?
Well Doctor Dean you make me sick,
Malpractice, I will sue you.
Please get a clue, I’ll sell you one,
John Kerry needs a few too.

Conspiracy Guy 12/16/03
4 posted on 01/05/2004 5:54:55 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (No words were harmed during the production of this tagline.)
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To: nwrep
People who are predicting 49 state landslides are still reeling from the effects of the New Years Eve party.

And have conveniently forgotten 2000 and how bitter that battle was. The fat lazy stupid citizens are still out there, en masse...just waiting. And the gullible and naive who think GWB is a shoe in are asleep at the switch too. I feel he'll win, but it'll be a fight. And a damn close one. I agree with the article 110%

5 posted on 01/05/2004 6:13:09 AM PST by ProudEagle
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To: Theodore R.
Actually, Mr. Farah, the correct Dubyaism is "misunderestimated".
7 posted on 01/05/2004 6:23:34 AM PST by gridlock (There's no such thing as idiot-proof, only idiot-resistant. The ingenuity of idiots knows no bounds)
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To: Theodore R.
Wow! This is getting scary-close! Time to tap the phones at the DNC.
8 posted on 01/05/2004 6:47:32 AM PST by Reo
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To: Big Midget
If he's like McGovern, then I don't see any problem --- McGovern lost by a landslide. If he's like Clinton or Gore --- then he's a worse slimeball --- but could win. Democrats couldn't see through Clinton the con man and many actually believed he was a good guy.
9 posted on 01/05/2004 6:55:05 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Joe, postulations like this are exactly why you write on a third rate blog - kind of the 'World News' of the Net.
10 posted on 01/05/2004 7:38:06 AM PST by jmaroneps37 ( Support how-odd? in the primaries, get us 4 more senate seats! hilarity clinocchio will never run.)
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To: Theodore R.
One other thing.

McGovern was a decent and honorable man who served his country in combat (flying dozens of bombing missions over Europe).
11 posted on 01/05/2004 9:06:15 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: FITZ
I think that Dean is the candidate and he is doomed to failure but I fear the wounds he will try to inflict upon the president. Given that he has no chance of winning, he is like an injured animal and he will try to do as much damage as possible to try to save face.

The only real question is who he will tap for VP. I have a feeling in the back of my mind that Colin Powell (who is rumored to be leaving the State Dept this year) will resign and be called upon to run as Dean's VP to give him "foreign policy gravitas". He will not be elected but he will take lots of swipes at the president.
12 posted on 01/05/2004 9:13:55 AM PST by rbessenger
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To: rbessenger
I have a feeling in the back of my mind that Colin Powell (who is rumored to be leaving the State Dept this year) will resign and be called upon to run as Dean's VP to give him "foreign policy gravitas".

Powell has remained a loyal Republican, inspite of suggestions by uninformed folks like you, to the contrary.

Shake your skull and get those things "in the back of your mind" some oxygen and daylight.

13 posted on 01/05/2004 12:49:44 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
Newt would disagree.
14 posted on 01/05/2004 1:11:35 PM PST by rbessenger
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To: Theodore R.
Dean is going to go before the American people and try to make the case that France, China, Russia, and Germany should have veto power over American foreign policy decisions.

He'll win fifteen states, if he's lucky. More likely five.

15 posted on 01/05/2004 1:15:13 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nwrep
Yeah, it's not going to be 49 states, and we shouldn't get complacent. But Dean is a longshot.
16 posted on 01/05/2004 1:21:18 PM PST by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: FITZ
many actually believed he {B. Clinton} was a good guy.

Correction, Many STILL BELIEVE that B. Clinton IS a good guy. The "Democrat dream" will never die.

17 posted on 01/05/2004 1:25:57 PM PST by Theodore R. (When will they ever learn?)
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To: nwrep
Dean is also taking positions which are less liberal than McGovern in both foreign/war policy and economic policy, so much so that he is cleverly declining from calling for a decrease in defense spending.

But he IS calling for a one trillon dollar tax increase!

And that includes DOUBLING taxes on the middle class!

Dean also has NO FRIGGIN' IDEA how to handle the war on terror.

He's dead meat, and Bush will win 35 states, at least.

18 posted on 01/05/2004 1:27:26 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Beelzebubba
Not to take anything away from his service, but, McGovern flew about 22 combat missions piloting a B-24.

The war ended before he reached his mandatory 25.
19 posted on 01/05/2004 1:37:53 PM PST by Guillermo (All Puns Intended)
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To: dead
Agreed. He will scare voters south and west of the DC Beltway and east of the Sierra Nevada. I think he will struggle even in areas with strong union populations like northern Ohio and greater Detroit. An arch-Yankee like Dean will not garner enthusiastic support from the black and Hispanic communities. Urban Democratic politicians will work to hold Congressional seats and preserve their party's position in the state legislatures.

However, Dean will not suffer the humiliation of McGovern or Mondale because the political tide in California and the Northeast, especially in Presidential elections, has turned so Democratic that the Vermonter should get 150 or so electoral votes. Dean wlll carry the enitre Northeast from Maine to Maryland, except Pennsylvania and maybe New Hampshire and Delaware. He may possibly carry Minnesota, Iowa, or Wisconsin, but certainly not all three. All three West Coast states, and especially California, are likely to fall in the "D" column, as will Hawaii.

Watch for 2008, though. Hillary Clinton will probably make her move then, and the GOP may not have an heir apparent to Dubya.

20 posted on 01/05/2004 1:43:28 PM PST by Wallace T.
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