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Bush Immigration Plan Borders on Treason
Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 01-09-04 | Baldwin, Chuck

Posted on 01/08/2004 4:26:33 PM PST by Theodore R.

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To: BigSkyFreeper
Bush's plan is miles above the plan Gray Davis tried to pull on the voters of California..... Look where that got him.
51 posted on 01/08/2004 9:39:19 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Theodore R.
What's so treasonous about documenting the undocumented? I don't get that. At first I didn't like the plan at all, but every time I read what Bush had said about it, I warm up to it.
52 posted on 01/08/2004 9:43:34 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: deport
Chuck Baldwin has been a certifiable Bush basher since 9/11.
53 posted on 01/08/2004 9:50:26 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Chuck Baldwin has been a certifiable Bush basher since 9/11.


He used to have Nader on his radio show back when he was broadscattering from the hotel......

Certifiable ..... that I'd agree with
54 posted on 01/08/2004 9:55:33 PM PST by deport (..... DONATE TO FREEREPUBLIC......)
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To: BushCountry
Some facts about immigrants.>>>>>>>>

For the SECOND time today, PLEASE PROVIDE your LINK......

and WHY do you keep posting your *facts* about IMMIGRANTS on threads that are clearly discussing ILLEGAL immigrants, & the BURDEN they are to taxpayers.


Reagan's amnesty, granted in 1986, legalized 2.7 million immigrants.>>>>>>>

LOL.....he amnestized 2.7 MILLION ILLEGALS & some say 50% immediately signed up for welfare (do your own search)

55 posted on 01/08/2004 10:01:10 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Veritas01
"this is the most B.S. article i've ever read, and to say bush is bordering on treason is B.S."

Question: Hadn't Dubya sworn to uphold the Constitution at his inaugural?

56 posted on 01/08/2004 10:01:33 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
There's only one way to fight back, and that's for true conservatives to write in Tancredo in the NH primary. Bush got the message in 2000 when McCain won, maybe he'll get the message again.

We have nothing to lose by writing in Tancredo in the primary states.

57 posted on 01/08/2004 10:24:47 PM PST by hunter112
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To: BigSkyFreeper
This policy anouncement is less about votes and more about the "haromonization" of mexico and the United States. YOu see the Summit of the Americas is next week. You will not see the text of president' bush's speech run here, but he will give a speech that describes how the United States is going to implement the policy determined by the 1998 Summit of the Americans on migrant workers. In that policy statement, business interests and nongovernmental agencies established that what they call "migrant" (read illegal) workers should be able to keep any social security money paid while working in the united states and that it was important that the flow of remittances ( the money the illegals send out of country) be maintained at a high level as possible.

Now Bush will speak next week and tell the members of the summit conference that the social security is a done deal and that the open border to illegals will insure that remittance money will keep flowing South.

In case you didn't know, remittance is globalist speak for wealth redistribution through foreign aid. Yes the remittance is foreign aid and it is so thoroughly relied upon by our southern neighbors that they can add up to 50% of the GDP. Since when is the American taxpayer required to bolster the GDP of a foreign nation by subsidizing illegal workers? Since the executive branch started to go around congress and make policy with international nongovernmental organizations.

The important thing to remember is that the treason plays out outside borders as well as the inside. when a group of business people and nongovnermental organizations from foreign countrys set policy that is implemented by our president, ignoring the fact that Congress is the only body that should set foreign relations and trade, you are seeing treason of the highest level and a complete usurpation of the balance of power between Congress and the executive office. You see, the president no longer needs Congress to set foreign policy. He has the summit of the Americas to do it for him. He doesn't need Congress to vote on it either, because other departments like the treasury department acceptance of the matricular consular card, implement it without congressional authority.

58 posted on 01/08/2004 10:42:42 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Russ
This is what the term "national debate" has been reduced to.

During the 2002 election, the word was put out by the RNC and Rove that immigration would not be a subject of discussion. We, conservatives, were silenced by the Republicans who thought the election was more important than our country's sovereignty.

You are now seeing the results of trying to control and silence a free people.

59 posted on 01/08/2004 10:45:35 PM PST by texastoo ((go California go. Tell it like it is))
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To: hedgetrimmer
A good post!

You explained it well. As a matter of fact, the Mexican newspapers reported that V. Fox talked on the phone with Bush prior to yesterday's speech. It looks like Bush is not going to do anything with congress until he talks in person with V. Fox.

I had to reread your post 3 times to comprehend it all. However, what you have said has made sense.
60 posted on 01/08/2004 10:57:19 PM PST by texastoo ((go California go. Tell it like it is))
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To: hedgetrimmer
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the crime of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies during war
Word History The words treason and tradition both come from the same Latin source. The Latin word traditio meant "teaching" or "tradition". These senses developed from its basic meaning, which was "the act of handing something over". Tradition is maintained by passing information from one generation to another. One kind of treason is committed when someone who has been entrusted with secret information passes it on to someone else. The word tradition was borrowed directly from the Latin traditio. Treason, on the other hand, came to us through early French, where traditio had changed into the word traison. [Middle English tresoun "treason", from early French traison (same meaning), derived from Latin tradition-, traditio "the action of handing over, tradition, betrayal", from traditus, past participle of tradere "to hand over, betray"

I add: see TED KENNEDY.
61 posted on 01/08/2004 11:06:45 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Has anyone gone out and come back as an alien yet? It's the new path to success.)
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To: Theodore R.
The 55 mph speed limit was ignored by the vast majority of Americans. All were BREAKING THE LAW. It was a stupid and unworkable law.

The newly-revised speed limit acknowledges something else - REALITY.

For decades, illegal aliens have entered America and lawmakers looked the other way. Americans have embraced them, hired them and protected them. Without their support, they would have withered on the vine.

Now Bush alone did not cause this. YOUR MANY FELLOW AMERICANS DID.

You are asking George Bush to deport them all, right now. Or, just pass the buck and ignore it like everyone else. It is preposterous, but maybe you don't know it - yet.

This principled stand of suicide, the kind of tin-eared McClintock nonsense that put us into the margins for nearly a decade, is sheer political stupidity. Yeah, yeah, it is better to die than compromise...give it up.

Instead, Bush challenges the conventional thinking and saves the best of them, and loses the worst.

He has established a datum reference line, and can be hardcore on those that don't follow the rules from now on. Like raising the speed limit to a more workable level, Bush has accepted the reality that VOTING AMERICANS LIKE YOU hire these people. HE IS DEALING WITH THAT REALITY.

It is BRILLIANT, and GOP'ers failing to see this is not only expected, because most blind Conservatives could not understand the concept of an Arnold vs. the unelectable McClintock, but rather it is the ONLY likely initial response I would have expected.

I would be truly stunned if even 10% of Republicans understood the rationale now. That there is one other person on this board that 'gets it' absolutely astonishes me.

But I believe that in time this initiative will be seen as yet another stroke of bold strateregy by this remarkable President.

Thank God for President Bush.

62 posted on 01/08/2004 11:12:29 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
"the US Government will penalize them and the illegal with the expired card."

Yeah, right. You fell into the trap of confusing the appearance with actual substance. The laws on the books now aren't being enforced. What makes you think these will be?
Just more Bush stratergy to confuse the weak minded.

63 posted on 01/08/2004 11:34:32 PM PST by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: JustPiper; gubamyster; Missouri
Ping, ping, ping!

Please read post #58.

Some of this is beginning to make sense especially when you think about GH Bush going to Mexico in May and arranging for Fox and W to start the immigration process. I remember the speeches GH Bush made regarding the one world order after the first gulf war. A while back Fox was on TV discussing his plan for a huge continent without borders.
64 posted on 01/08/2004 11:35:48 PM PST by texastoo ((go California go. Tell it like it is))
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
OK, so I went a little overboard with that statement tbat tbe government will penalize anyone. What makes you think the government is the final arbitor of the immigration law? Are you suggesting the Border Patrol or law enforcement isn't supposed to enforce the law? Congress legislates law, the Judicial Branch and all the enforcement agencies below it enforce the law. That's why there are three branches of Government, and why Al Gore isn't president.
65 posted on 01/08/2004 11:43:05 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
The laws on the books now aren't being enforced

Who's fault is that? The Border Patrol is on the front lines of the problem, not Congress.

66 posted on 01/08/2004 11:45:46 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: elli1; Theodore R.
Thanks for that link. I am bookmarking it.
67 posted on 01/08/2004 11:47:27 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Peroutka for President)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Michael Peroutka is a candidate for the Constitution Party nomination.
68 posted on 01/08/2004 11:52:36 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Peroutka for President)
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To: Dr. Marten
...nobody wants to stand up and criticize President Bush on this?

Shocking, ain't it?


69 posted on 01/09/2004 6:02:35 AM PST by sheltonmac (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38123a4375fc.htm#30)
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To: Theodore R.; FairOpinion
Another author tags millions of people who want to work for a living as "criminals." I like to think of them as producing, tax paying future citizens who can replace all the little folks we've aborted through the years. To see all these hyped up statistics thrown out as if they'll stick reminds me of the idiots who spout off about population explosions and global warming.

Based on President Bush's past performance in addressing difficult times and issues, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this. I'll certainly give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who wants to work hard and make an honest living.

Why do so many in this forum sound like liberals who think the sky is falling when another baby is born only to hog more of their precious air and time? Do we call this a land of opportunity just to make ourselves feel good, or is it really so? I believe the latter.

70 posted on 01/09/2004 6:21:53 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: hedgetrimmer
You see, the president no longer needs Congress to set foreign policy.

Well, he's going to need congress to come up with a bill to realize his immigration proposal.

If it is true that the remittances flow out of country, I suppose people can do what they want with their money. But if it is also true that they need not pay into social security, income tax, or any other tax, then these things need to be addressed.

Practically speaking, a person cannot possibly live and work for a wage in the United States without at least spending something here. With or without a large influx of immigrants, we have some serious problems when it comes to voting ourselves largesse and keeping a lid on general malfeasance.

71 posted on 01/09/2004 6:39:32 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Stallone
Now Bush alone did not cause this. YOUR MANY FELLOW AMERICANS DID.

Excellent point.

72 posted on 01/09/2004 6:44:54 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: texastoo
Trying to post information about the summit of the Americas and their influence on policy is hard because as ricky ricardo says "there's a lot of 'splaining to do".

I am so glad it makes sense to someone, I will try to find a more concise way of discussing this.

It is fabuously important for people to understand that when the president makes policy statments just before attending one of these summits, he is talking to the summit members and not the American people. He is preparing for the summit at this point.

I pray that you would use your new understanding of this issue to help others to see the danger to our country from this new form of "global civil governance".
73 posted on 01/09/2004 8:01:40 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
The only way we can help with the illegal immigrants from Latin America is to award these people more preference or higher quotas on the expenses of say the Asians or the Moslems. But, to reward law breakers is simply stupid. Suppose a gang started to steal cars for say a five years, then the police come in and say; OK guys, let me record all the cars that you have stolen so far - you do not need to return them to their owners, or to serve any time in jail for braking the laws.

The illegals should apply for immigration, and wait their turns like every body else.

74 posted on 01/09/2004 8:16:47 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Stallone
"I would be truly stunned if even 10% of Republicans understood [Dubya's] rationale now. That there is one other person on this board that 'gets it' absolutely astonishes me."

Yeah -- We're all crazy except you and your other FR inmate.

BTW, just how many autographed Neville Chamberlain posters are plastered over your walls?

75 posted on 01/09/2004 9:16:24 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Bush ain't appeasing anyone.

He is differentiating between the mess he inherited, and the future crackdown on illegals required to maintain a secure homeland.

By creating a new legal status, that of temporary worker, Bush can now properly catalogue their presence by self-identification. These workers, if they qualify, will then start contributing their fair-share of taxes, and similarly be protected by employment laws, eliminating the unfair advantage over American employees.

These semi-permanent residents who have been employed by American homes and companies for years will be allowed to apply to the new legal channel, and must agree to comply with the law.

And those that don't, can and will be dealt with harshly, with no media sympathy, because there no longer is a reason not to apply.

The benefits of such a program are orders of magnitude over the existing system.

Any other plan, including McNader round-ups, will NEVER happen as long as there is a 'Rat party.

Count your blessings - Bush has hit a home run.

THINK about it.

76 posted on 01/10/2004 2:33:34 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Stallone
Illegal aliens for years were the moral equivalent to Americans of music downloads, satellite signal interception, software copying, and tax cheating.

In the latter case, if tax rates are kept reasonable (i.e. low and fair), most people would not only be happy to comply, but would support cracking down hard on the cheats.

Similarly, if the market demand for entry-level labourers is met with a simple application channel, most aliens and their enablers will not only comply, but support cracking down hard on the cheats.

Our homeland is at risk in this age of terrorism. The time to respond has long past.

By creating a legal and simple means to apply for worker status, Bush has scored a political coup.

He can concentrate fully on those who would harm America.
77 posted on 01/10/2004 2:40:25 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; sheltonmac; Theodore R.
Chuck Baldwin has been a certifiable Bush basher since 9/11.

Bush has been a Constitution-basher since he was governor of Texas where he signed legislation to accept unconstitutional funds to his state from the U.S. Department of Education. Of course, he perpetuated such usurpations and added to them. Baldwin is doing us a favor by reminding us of the harm he is doing to the integrity of our Republic.

78 posted on 01/10/2004 2:52:04 PM PST by The_Eaglet (http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: FairOpinion
Clinton, other then selling defence secrets to China, wasn't so bad. He pretty much didn't do anything except have a good time in the oval office. I much prefer a do nothing president to a advance the liberal agenda president. And Bush is an advance the liberal agenda president, he reminds me of LBJ (spit). And that's not good. So it matter very little if a D or an R sits in the white house since both are globalist, socialist, new world order, big spending liberals.

I hate to say it but in hide sight the Clinton years are starting to look better than Bush years.

79 posted on 01/10/2004 3:25:34 PM PST by jpsb
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To: BigSkyFreeper
[The others who possess the card will get kicked the hell out by the business owner who hired them and the US government who granted the card]

Nope, that is the same crap we were fed in 86 with the ONE TIME ONLY amnasty. I don't believe one damn word of it now,

80 posted on 01/10/2004 3:28:27 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Stallone
[He has established a datum reference line, and can be hardcore on those that don't follow the rules from now on.]

Nope, this is the same rope a dope that was pulled on us in 86 with the ONE TIME ONLY amnasty and then we'll get tuff. been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

81 posted on 01/10/2004 3:40:01 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
Clinton, other then selling defence secrets to China, wasn't so bad. He pretty much didn't do anything except have a good time in the oval office. I much prefer a do nothing president to a advance the liberal agenda president. And Bush is an advance the liberal agenda president, he reminds me of LBJ (spit).

I still think the Clinton years were worse, from a moral standpoint. However, violating one's oath of office and signing bills that violate rights of the First and Tenth Amendments isn't exactly moral, either.

From a fiscal standpoint in terms of spending, the Bush years have been worse- as you mentioned, LBJ-like.

82 posted on 01/10/2004 3:43:47 PM PST by The_Eaglet (http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: Stallone
"Count your blessings - Bush has hit a home run.

THINK about it."

Sorry brother. Any way you spin this, Dubya is still rewarding an illegal invasion, while being derelict in his duty to uphold the constitution and deport said invaders.

Once ALL illegals are deported, we may THEN begin the looong overdue systematic registry of foreign workers and proper compliance of American Law.

Anything less is a mockery of the constitution and surrender of American sovereignty.

83 posted on 01/10/2004 5:56:36 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: The_Eaglet
Freepers once again fall prey to the transparent and pathetic attempts by the Left to split the Right.

Bush's plan is BRILLIANT.

You just don't know it yet.
84 posted on 01/11/2004 6:24:58 AM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: jpsb
Defeatist!
85 posted on 01/11/2004 6:28:47 AM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Stallone
The lefts attempt at splitting the right? Here is a clue.


86 posted on 01/11/2004 9:30:03 AM PST by jpsb
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To: BushCountry
I hadn't read your summary before. It's very good.

One thing people seem to ignore is that the birth rate of native born Americans (of any color) is not sufficient to keep up with our future employment needs or to contribute to Social Security. It's higher than the European birth rate, certainly, but will not generate either enough workers or enough consumers to keep the engine running. We need immigrants - we've just got to rationalize immigration and try to achieve the greatest benefit from it.

Bush's plan is not perfect and will probably get a lot of tinkering, which I'm sure he expects. But I think Bush deserves praise for at least making an attempt to deal with immigration, something that nobody else has dared to even try. Even Reagan simply granted an amnesty but made no changes, and now the situation has become even more complicated (particularly since we also have to assume that some of these people are coming here not to make a better life for themselves, but to ruin our life through terrorist acts). So I think Bush should get lots of credit for grappling with the problem.

It's not going to win him any Hispanic votes, and he knows that - they're in the pockets of the Dems, who've already got their propaganda machines running. But I think he's doing it because he thinks it's the right thing to do and knows that it is a problem urgently in need of fixing.
87 posted on 01/11/2004 9:47:53 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
" One thing people seem to ignore is that the birth rate of native born Americans (of any color) is not sufficient to keep up with our future employment needs or to contribute to Social Security. It's higher than the European birth rate, certainly, but will not generate either enough workers or enough consumers to keep the engine running. We need immigrants - we've just got to rationalize immigration and try to achieve the greatest benefit from it."

So what you are saying that the U.S. economic system is incapable of the technological innovations to overcome the lower birth rate. We must maintain a quasi-slavery quota to keep the lawns cut and the fruits picked instead of innovating which is the nature of capitalism.
88 posted on 01/11/2004 9:50:43 AM PST by Beck_isright (After 8 years of Caligula, now we get Nero.)
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To: Stallone; F16Fighter; jpsb; Theodore R.
F16Fighter is right. Regardless of whether or not Bush is brilliant, which is another subject altogether (don't get me started on his mispronunciation of "nuclear" as "new-kyoo-ler") , he was derelict in his duty to apply the constitutionally-legitimate law passed by Congress.

Any way you spin this, Dubya is still rewarding an illegal invasion, while being derelict in his duty to uphold the constitution and deport said invaders.

Once ALL illegals are deported, we may THEN begin the looong overdue systematic registry of foreign workers and proper compliance of American Law.

Anything less is a mockery of the constitution and surrender of American sovereignty.

89 posted on 01/11/2004 11:13:38 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Mike Peroutka for President!)
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To: The_Eaglet
Never going to happen.

That idea is more befitting of The_Turkeylet.
90 posted on 01/12/2004 3:15:10 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Stallone
Are you saying that Bush's dereliction of his duty as chief executive is never going to happen? I suspect we will see him sign some more unconstitutional legislation rather than veto it.
91 posted on 01/13/2004 6:41:36 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: The_Eaglet
I understand that you want to round 'em up and deport 'em.

I understand that under the law, it is within the rights of the administration to order it be done.

But the problem is very large, and nothing short of a police state could prevent foreigners from entering America any way possible, as it stands alone in the world as the great land of opportunity. That is, in America, we build fences to keep people out - in the old Soviet Union, they built them to keep people in.

Every one of us living here have ancestors who immigrated to America. It is our heritage and our legacy.

So please acknowledge that some of the illegal immigrants currently here perform useful and necessary work, and are deserving of the opportunity.

Ask yourself whether these immigrants, many starving and uneducated, truly understand the concept of legal or illegal immigration. From our comfortable and stable perch it is easy to forget this simple fact.

They see an amazing country that offers a chance at a life within their reach, and they will do literally anything to get there.

Those that are here already, unregistered and unknown, represent the mess that Bush inherited.

In the near future, many more illegal immigrants will enter the country.

In an age of terrorism, the risks are too great to ignore the problem any longer. But the problem in its current form is simply too big to solve with the existing rules.

Bush is attempting to reduce the problem, like battlefield triage, to direct the limited resources to the most severe cases.

If Bush could find a positive way to have the majority of the existing immigrants identify themselves voluntarily and guide themselves to legitimacy.

And if Bush could find a way so that those about to enter illegally will instead voluntarily apply, it would be a very good thing, you would agree.

Then anyone unwilling to do so would most likely be an undesirable. Bingo! This is the group you go after.

And since legitimacy is then both reasonable and accessible, there will be no sympathy whatsoever for the holdouts. Bush then has the political cover, in the case of these undesirables, to round 'em up and deport 'em.

The plan is brilliant.
92 posted on 01/14/2004 9:42:37 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Owen
What's this? Another conservative who dislikes government action angry that Bush didn't announce a greater magnitude of government enforcement action?

Afraid you've gotten that one incorrect. This has to do with sovereity.. plain and simple.

93 posted on 01/15/2004 5:51:29 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
It's just the surface.. peel back a few layers and you will understand. This proposal will legalize a group of revolutionaries that are bent on re-taking their homeland. The government is aware of this and Bush has given free reign to the subversives.
94 posted on 01/15/2004 5:54:23 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Stallone; Theodore R.
We have resources to defend our borders, but instead they are deployed on offensives around the world. Repelling borders from invasion is not the mark of a police state. It is what the founders intended to be a feature of a central government designed to "provide for the common defense" of all of the United States.

"Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion..."
-- U.S. Constitution, Article III

95 posted on 01/16/2004 9:32:56 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: Stallone
We have resources to defend our borders, but instead they are deployed on offensives around the world. Repelling borders from invasion is not the mark of a police state. It is what the founders intended to be a feature of a central government designed to "provide for the common defense" of all of the United States.

"Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion..."
-- U.S. Constitution, Article III

96 posted on 01/16/2004 9:35:15 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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