Bush Immigration Plan Borders on Treason

Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 01-09-04 | Baldwin, Chuck

[jpsb]

[He has established a datum reference line, and can be hardcore on those that don't follow the rules from now on.]

Nope, this is the same rope a dope that was pulled on us in 86 with the ONE TIME ONLY amnasty and then we'll get tuff. been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

[The_Eaglet]

Clinton, other then selling defence secrets to China, wasn't so bad. He pretty much didn't do anything except have a good time in the oval office. I much prefer a do nothing president to a advance the liberal agenda president. And Bush is an advance the liberal agenda president, he reminds me of LBJ (spit).

I still think the Clinton years were worse, from a moral standpoint. However, violating one's oath of office and signing bills that violate rights of the First and Tenth Amendments isn't exactly moral, either.

From a fiscal standpoint in terms of spending, the Bush years have been worse- as you mentioned, LBJ-like.

[F16Fighter]

"Count your blessings - Bush has hit a home run.

THINK about it."

Sorry brother. Any way you spin this, Dubya is still rewarding an illegal invasion, while being derelict in his duty to uphold the constitution and deport said invaders.

Once ALL illegals are deported, we may THEN begin the looong overdue systematic registry of foreign workers and proper compliance of American Law.

Anything less is a mockery of the constitution and surrender of American sovereignty.

[Stallone]

Freepers once again fall prey to the transparent and pathetic attempts by the Left to split the Right.

Bush's plan is BRILLIANT.

You just don't know it yet.

[Stallone]

Defeatist!

[jpsb]

The lefts attempt at splitting the right? Here is a clue.

[livius]

I hadn't read your summary before. It's very good.

One thing people seem to ignore is that the birth rate of native born Americans (of any color) is not sufficient to keep up with our future employment needs or to contribute to Social Security. It's higher than the European birth rate, certainly, but will not generate either enough workers or enough consumers to keep the engine running. We need immigrants - we've just got to rationalize immigration and try to achieve the greatest benefit from it.

Bush's plan is not perfect and will probably get a lot of tinkering, which I'm sure he expects. But I think Bush deserves praise for at least making an attempt to deal with immigration, something that nobody else has dared to even try. Even Reagan simply granted an amnesty but made no changes, and now the situation has become even more complicated (particularly since we also have to assume that some of these people are coming here not to make a better life for themselves, but to ruin our life through terrorist acts). So I think Bush should get lots of credit for grappling with the problem.

It's not going to win him any Hispanic votes, and he knows that - they're in the pockets of the Dems, who've already got their propaganda machines running. But I think he's doing it because he thinks it's the right thing to do and knows that it is a problem urgently in need of fixing.

[Beck_isright]

" One thing people seem to ignore is that the birth rate of native born Americans (of any color) is not sufficient to keep up with our future employment needs or to contribute to Social Security. It's higher than the European birth rate, certainly, but will not generate either enough workers or enough consumers to keep the engine running. We need immigrants - we've just got to rationalize immigration and try to achieve the greatest benefit from it."

So what you are saying that the U.S. economic system is incapable of the technological innovations to overcome the lower birth rate. We must maintain a quasi-slavery quota to keep the lawns cut and the fruits picked instead of innovating which is the nature of capitalism.

[The_Eaglet]

F16Fighter is right. Regardless of whether or not Bush is brilliant, which is another subject altogether (don't get me started on his mispronunciation of "nuclear" as "new-kyoo-ler") , he was derelict in his duty to apply the constitutionally-legitimate law passed by Congress.

Any way you spin this, Dubya is still rewarding an illegal invasion, while being derelict in his duty to uphold the constitution and deport said invaders.

Once ALL illegals are deported, we may THEN begin the looong overdue systematic registry of foreign workers and proper compliance of American Law.

Anything less is a mockery of the constitution and surrender of American sovereignty.

[Stallone]

Never going to happen.

That idea is more befitting of The_Turkeylet.

[The_Eaglet]

Are you saying that Bush's dereliction of his duty as chief executive is never going to happen? I suspect we will see him sign some more unconstitutional legislation rather than veto it.

[Stallone]

I understand that you want to round 'em up and deport 'em.

I understand that under the law, it is within the rights of the administration to order it be done.

But the problem is very large, and nothing short of a police state could prevent foreigners from entering America any way possible, as it stands alone in the world as the great land of opportunity. That is, in America, we build fences to keep people out - in the old Soviet Union, they built them to keep people in.

Every one of us living here have ancestors who immigrated to America. It is our heritage and our legacy.

So please acknowledge that some of the illegal immigrants currently here perform useful and necessary work, and are deserving of the opportunity.

Ask yourself whether these immigrants, many starving and uneducated, truly understand the concept of legal or illegal immigration. From our comfortable and stable perch it is easy to forget this simple fact.

They see an amazing country that offers a chance at a life within their reach, and they will do literally anything to get there.

Those that are here already, unregistered and unknown, represent the mess that Bush inherited.

In the near future, many more illegal immigrants will enter the country.

In an age of terrorism, the risks are too great to ignore the problem any longer. But the problem in its current form is simply too big to solve with the existing rules.

Bush is attempting to reduce the problem, like battlefield triage, to direct the limited resources to the most severe cases.

If Bush could find a positive way to have the majority of the existing immigrants identify themselves voluntarily and guide themselves to legitimacy.

And if Bush could find a way so that those about to enter illegally will instead voluntarily apply, it would be a very good thing, you would agree.

Then anyone unwilling to do so would most likely be an undesirable. Bingo! This is the group you go after.

And since legitimacy is then both reasonable and accessible, there will be no sympathy whatsoever for the holdouts. Bush then has the political cover, in the case of these undesirables, to round 'em up and deport 'em.

The plan is brilliant.

[Zipporah]

What's this? Another conservative who dislikes government action angry that Bush didn't announce a greater magnitude of government enforcement action?

Afraid you've gotten that one incorrect. This has to do with sovereity.. plain and simple.

[Zipporah]

It's just the surface.. peel back a few layers and you will understand. This proposal will legalize a group of revolutionaries that are bent on re-taking their homeland. The government is aware of this and Bush has given free reign to the subversives.

[The_Eaglet]

We have resources to defend our borders, but instead they are deployed on offensives around the world. Repelling borders from invasion is not the mark of a police state. It is what the founders intended to be a feature of a central government designed to "provide for the common defense" of all of the United States.

"Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion..."
-- U.S. Constitution, Article III

[The_Eaglet]

We have resources to defend our borders, but instead they are deployed on offensives around the world. Repelling borders from invasion is not the mark of a police state. It is what the founders intended to be a feature of a central government designed to "provide for the common defense" of all of the United States.

"Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion..."
-- U.S. Constitution, Article III