H.R. 3534 (introduced by Rep. Tom Tancredo)

thomas legislation locator ^ | 11-19-03 | Tom Tancredo

[sarcasm]

someone who jumps the border in hopes of making an honest living?

An illegal alien is by definition dishonest.

[billbears]

Nope, crime is crime. Granted they may have differing punishments, but you do not reward crime. Crossing the border illegally is a crime and this amounts to rewarding criminals for their crime

[The SISU kid]

Welcome to FR

[libertylass]

I know you weren't addressing me, but isn't a two-bit criminal one who engages in more of the misdemeanor types of crimes, as opposed to those who murder Americans? They would then be called vicious criminals?

[Klickitat]

Good point.

[ASA.Ranger]

"hateful, xenophobic, isolationist, nativist, foaming at the mouth, immigrant- bashing, right-wing lunatic fringe, buchananite, protectionist, tancredistas:"

There is absolutely no civility in your post. I take reasonable offense to your unreasonable denigration of those participating in this thread. You have been most ungracious and have abused this forum.

I was placed in Mexican detention for allegedly violating immigration laws south of the U.S. border and was threatened with fines and additional imprisonment for failing to display the Mexican flag (in a position superior the U.S.A. flag) on my sailboat in La Paz. I’m not sure why the U.S.A. should be anymore gracious to those of illegal status than Mexico was to me.

You need to be more civil or adios muchaco.

[deport]

And another bill in the Senate.. now there are things to work with and begin to meld into some legislation......

S.1387 .. Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2003 .. By Senator Cornyn

[libertylass]

Shhhh, but I think bastantebueno55 has been booted off the stage....

[B-Cause]

You need to be more civil or adios muchaco.

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adios muchacosounds better to me!

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[libertylass]

hilarious.....do you folks want to see my letter to Bush and Cheney?

[DumpsterDiver]

I'm trying to find out what kind of a "protest" vote would get noticed by the head honchos of the GOP. Would voting for a write-in candidate catch anyone's (like Rove's) eye? Or would it be better to vote for a third party candidate (if there is one)?

[libertylass]

Along those lines, would the Republican party track those who change their political affiliation from the forms we send in to make that change? Or do they keep track of the membership some other way?

[Kay Soze]

that greatness is founded upon our rule of law.

[deport]

Or would it be better to vote for a third party candidate (if there is one)?

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There should be several to choose between......
Constitution Party
Libertarian Party
Reform Party
Green Party
Socialist Workers Party
Natural Law Party

Do any have a chance or will they even make a blip on the screen? Probably not.... but they are out there doing their thing and drawing a few voters to their causes.

[Mr Spock]

"Nope, crime is crime. Granted they may have differing punishments, but you do not reward crime. Crossing the border illegally is a crime and this amounts to rewarding criminals for their crime"

You are correct, a crime is a crime. In a perfect world, we could address all the crime, regardless of how big or small, in America. Since it's not a perfect world, I'm more concerned with the "criminals" that hurt children and innocent Americans. Maybe in your part of the country, crimals don't kill kids and other innocent Americans. It sounds like your biggest concern are the "criminals" crossing the border. Hopefully one day my biggest concerns will be the border hoping crimals also. Unfortunatley for me, border hopping criminals have very low priority. I've got bigger fishes to worry about.

[scory]

Mr. Tancredo's proposal is certainly welcome. As is Mr. Cornyn's. The Bush proposal may be the only realistic way to deal with the illegals already here but there MUST be real immigration laws and effective enforcement of these to compliment it. Otherwise all we have is a blanket amnesty (in fact) and an invitation to another 10 million or so just come on down.

My problem is in believing that any such laws would, in fact, be enforced. We have been lied to so often about this issue that it is now almost impossible for me to believe that the political class will actually enforce anything that would actually put a lid on this invasion of illegals.

[nicmarlo]

PING:

A BILL To enhance border enforcement, improve homeland security, remove incentives for illegal immigration, and establish a guest worker program.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Border Enforcement and Revolving Employment to Assist Laborers Act of 2003' or the `BE REAL Act of 2003'.

TITLE I--BORDER ENFORCEMENT ..........

[DumpsterDiver]

would the Republican party track those who change their political affiliation from the forms we send in to make that change? Or do they keep track of the membership some other way?

I just don't know. It was something I was wondering about today and I'm not sure where to start looking to get that kind of information. Maybe I'll spend a few hours at Google.

[Viking2002]

I wish we could just appoint Tancredo Lord High Poobah and Overseer on the border situation for six months. Mexicans won't even want to look at it after that.

Of course, this is coming from someone who's been advocating giving land mines to the Border Patrol, which doesn't seem to have a lot of support. :-)

[William Terrell]

The sad thing is that when it comes to moral values, the Latinos have more in common with our agenda than with the liberal, abortionist, pro-gay politics of the Democrats.

The sadder thing is that along with these moral Mexicans come those who yearn for political power, and will be quick to whip the aliens into a political voting and lobbying bloc, which will further exacerbate the roiling confusion, as the new bloc fights with similar blocs, all with no sense of these morals, for an always bigger slice of the pie.

That is the reason all the morals dripping from these illegal aliens, now being made legally tolerated aliens, won't matter. They will be represented by political advocacy group leadership who won't play their game according to those morals.

Why? Because when you seek after what is not earned, to the detriment of those who earned it, you cannot use morals or you lose.