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Apple's Supercomputing Scientists
Forbes.com ^ | 1/12/2004 | Matthew Herper

Posted on 01/12/2004 9:17:07 PM PST by Swordmaker

NEW YORK - When noted biologist David Botstein was lured from Stanford University to head the Lewis-Sigler Institute for Integrative Genomics at Princeton, he had his choice of computing systems. But Botstein says he outfitted the center almost soup to nuts with Apple computers and servers, which are used for everything from desktop applications to comparing lengths of genetic code. By eschewing the more expensive workstations that high-tech biologists have come to rely on, he says he has also cut down on the cost of maintaining his number-crunching machines.

Botstein's not alone. Apple Computer and its Macintosh, which has long sat on the desktops of many molecular biologists, are now seeing wider use in genomics, the study of how many genes work together within organisms. High-speed, stackable servers from Apple are even being clustered together into supercomputers. The third-fastest supercomputing cluster in the world, based at Virginia Tech, is composed of the first 1,100 PowerMac G5s to roll off of the assembly line. Says Michael Swenson, an analyst who covers life sciences computing for IDC: "Apple's starting to make some waves."

Analysts warn that biology and supercomputing won't be a big revenue driver for Apple. "I don't see it putting many pennies on the bottom line," says Peter Kastner, an analyst at the Aberdeen Group in Boston. And Apple says that high-performance clusters will never be its focus. "I don't believe anyone in the next year is going to say, 'Apple, the supercomputer company'," says Alex Grossman, Apple's director, product management, server hardware.

According to Hassan Aref, dean of engineering at Virginia Tech, Apple was initially reluctant to participate in building the university's supercomputer. "It wasn't why they made the G5," Aref says. But Apple did eventually come around.

The payoff for Virginia Tech: a supercomputer at a twentieth of what it would otherwise cost. The resulting cluster ranks as the world's third fastest, according to the Top500 list of supercomputers compiled by the University of Tennessee, the University of Mannheim and National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center. That's a big bang for the buck. The top machine was constructed by NEC in Japan, and the second fastest at Los Alamos National Laboratory byHewlett-Packard, which makes the Alpha servers that were used to map the human genome. Both systems reportedly boast a price tag north of $200 million, more than twenty times the cost for Virginia Tech's machine. Those cost-savings could extend down to smaller, less high-profile scientific clusters.

"Despite its reputation, [Apple] is not more expensive," says William Van Etten, co-founder of the BioTeam, a consulting group that has set up Mac clusters for biologists. "When including maintenance and support, one could easily argue that it's cheaper."

Some biologists have always been drawn to the Mac's visual interface. "Molecular biologists in general have always been sort of a Mac holdout," says David Adelson, an associate professor at Texas A&M University. "When I started out as a grad student I bought one of the very first Mac's off of the assembly line." So Adelson was excited when Apple changed its operating system into a variant of Unix, the operating system on scientific workstations that is essential to most of the computing in genetics. Working with the BioTeam, he developed a software system for clustering Apple Xserve machines. He says his "little cluster" outperforms some of Texas A&M's supercomputers for genetics work.

Apple's hardware isn't the only reason for the speed. A lot of genomics software has been optimized for Apple processors. Will Gilbert, a professor at the University of New Hampshire, is best known for using his iPod to carry a genome from one server to another. But his actual pitch for Apple hardware goes further. Using software optimized by Apple and Genentech (nyse: DNA - news - people ), he was able to cut the time for comparing big strands of chimpanzee and human DNA from 16 hours to two minutes using an Apple computer.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; biology; business; genome; macintosh; macuser; supercomputers
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"Despite its reputation, [Apple] is not more expensive," says William Van Etten, co-founder of the BioTeam, a consulting group that has set up Mac clusters for biologists. "When including maintenance and support, one could easily argue that it's cheaper."

More Cost of Ownership evidence for the Macintosh...

1 posted on 01/12/2004 9:17:08 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker
Bump.

Apple is enjoying a resurgence in the marketplace. Between last summer's blaster worm, numerous viruses, and the MS Windows vulnerabilities that make it susceptible to spyware people are starting to realize that there's a better way.

Macintosh laptop sales surged 2.5% to 7% of all units sold and another year and a half of similar growth will put them over the 10% of marketshare mark - second only to Dell, and by a margin smaller than some might suspect.

If you're frustrated with your computer, switch.

http://www.apple.com
2 posted on 01/12/2004 9:22:27 PM PST by applemac_g4
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To: applemac_g4
Hold the horses...

I use Mac, and they aren't trouble free. They do lock up, programs do freeze. I hate having to reboot when unreal tourney 2003 won't let me join in.

The windows 2000 servers we use also have great up time. The Xserver hasn't been any more stable!

IMO, Macs are just nicer, but IMO they aren't as trouble free as their fans claim.



3 posted on 01/12/2004 9:35:30 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: Swordmaker
The secret weapon that Apple has is Avie Tevanian. He built on work done by Rick Rashid - he was doing clusters of computers in the early 80s.

With Apple's new XGrid software you can tell it to grab unused CPU time from all the machines on your LAN. You can basically make a smallish supercomputer just by waiting for everyone else in the office to go home.

4 posted on 01/12/2004 9:39:28 PM PST by ikka
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To: ikka
You're looking at the right forest but you're only seeing one tree.
5 posted on 01/12/2004 9:46:38 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: 1stFreedom
http://members.cox.net/clyqz/macs.html


Crash Different
6 posted on 01/12/2004 9:51:58 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: 1stFreedom
"Mac[s] aren't trouble free"

Praising with faint a damn?

7 posted on 01/12/2004 9:56:17 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Swordmaker
Mac Bump!
8 posted on 01/12/2004 10:00:08 PM PST by RnMomof7 (broomstick jockey)
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To: 1stFreedom
I use Mac, and they aren't trouble free.

It seems like these reports are always vague on the details. (hardware model, memory installed, operating system version, etc.)

They do lock up, programs do freeze.

Yes, if the program contains a logic error, it can go into an infinite loop and freeze. (As a programmer, I do this all the time.) But it's very easy to kill a frozen program with Mac OS X's "Force Quit" command, and the operating system continues to function normally. Application errors are generally not a platform issue.

I hate having to reboot when unreal tourney 2003 won't let me join in.

I'm not familiar with that game, but it sounds like the known issue with the 2225.1 update. When it locks up, does pressing the command+option+escape keys bring up the Force Quit window?

The Xserver hasn't been any more stable!

Are you referring to an Apple Xserve ?

9 posted on 01/12/2004 10:09:56 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: Orangedog
Crash Different

Funny the first time. dull the second and subsequent times.

Also, untrue. He is not a Mac user, never was.

11 posted on 01/12/2004 10:21:22 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Classically, when a Mac locks-up, it's because you didn't give the app. enough memory. That goes double for a ram pig like unreal. Vendors tend to understate the ram requirements so you'll buy their game. But as far as locking up with no discernible reason, I've never had it happen in over ten years.
12 posted on 01/12/2004 10:37:19 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: HAL9000
I used to work for a small-town newspaper that used macs, and I hated working on them. However, this was the old power pc mac, and the owner, I don't believe, ever had a legitimate piece of software on any machine. When we'd get low on disk space, he'd just come in and start deleting folders. Frequently, he'd say, "well, if I don't know what it is, it can't hurt to delete it. He also never installed software, but just copied it from one disk to another. Looking back, I'm amazed the machines ran as well as they did.

I used to sound like a lot of the Mac bashers here. When the flat panel iMac came out, I thought, "wow, that's cool." It was time to upgrade my old PC, and after looking around, I settled on the flat-panel iMac. What finally convinced me to go with the iMac was the construction quality. This was when Compaq was putting the colored panels on their computers to make them look like the original iMacs. There was something about the way the flat panel on the iMac would glide smoothly and silently and stop exactly where I wanted, compared to the Compaq with some dorky little panel on front that screechily opened to reveal a cd holder that would hold about 5 cds. I checked the prices on everything, and Sony and IBM were the only companies that had nearly the build quality, and by the time they were equipped like the Mac, they cost more. I had used every version of Windows from the run-time version that came with Excel 1.0 up to 2000. Windows ME finally killed my allegience to MS and the PC system.

When I got the Mac, I noticed that all the things that sort of worked on my old PCs actually worked on the Mac. I realized that the features that were grafted onto the Windows system like trying to nail limbs on a tree were integrated into the Mac seamlessly.

I use a 17" flat panel now, and there's no way I'd ever go back to Windows.

13 posted on 01/12/2004 10:44:01 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Orangedog
That is sooo funny! I have experienced the "Can't turn off the bloody computer" dilemma.
14 posted on 01/12/2004 10:49:45 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Woahhs
Classically, when a Mac locks-up, it's because you didn't give the app. enough memory.

That only applies to programs running on Mac OS 9 or earlier (which have been discontinued for a while now), or programs executing in the "Classic" environment.

Users do not allocate memory for native Mac OS X applications. Those memory management details are handled automatically by the PowerPC hardware and the operating system.

15 posted on 01/12/2004 11:12:57 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: Richard Kimball
When we'd get low on disk space, he'd just come in and start deleting folders. ... He also never installed software, but just copied it from one disk to another.

I know someone like that too. He would install extensions and control panels from various other computers with different operating system versions, often with disastrous results. (Now Mac OS X prevents him from trashing his operating system, so he refuses to use it.)

16 posted on 01/12/2004 11:22:22 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: machiventa
If you program you should just quit if do the infinite loop all the time.

That rule would eliminate every programmer on the planet.

17 posted on 01/12/2004 11:32:42 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
HAL! Howya been, pal! Haven't seen ya around the forum lately. Hope all is well!
18 posted on 01/12/2004 11:35:34 PM PST by Lazamataz (I slam, you slam, we all slam, for Islam !)
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To: HAL9000
My mistake. I assumed such problems didn't happen under os X, but I see unreal 2003 requires it.
19 posted on 01/12/2004 11:36:25 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: Lazamataz
Hi Laz - This winter weather has been messing with my head, so I haven't been online as much the few weeks. I'm better now.

I'm trying to find out if we're going to have a big FR demonstration and beer bash when the Clinton Library opens here on November 14th.

I've sort of followed your journeys around the Internet, and am glad to see you back here and doing well.

best regards,

20 posted on 01/12/2004 11:46:31 PM PST by HAL9000
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