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1 posted on 01/16/2004 7:58:14 AM PST by m1-lightning
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2 posted on 01/16/2004 7:58:52 AM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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3 posted on 01/16/2004 7:59:30 AM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
4 posted on 01/16/2004 8:03:44 AM PST by Joe Brower ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken)
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"It was legal to use a rifle in the self-defense situation. If this homeowner had used a rifle, he scored 50 percent of the time when he shot at a moving target in the dark in his house. If I could shoot that well, people would come to me for lessons. But two of the shots didn't hit. If he had used a rifle that had so much more energy, he would have probably had a round going through two or three of his neighbors' houses down the line."

Interesting. The statist on Zahn's show did not reply to this. I wonder why.

5 posted on 01/16/2004 8:04:08 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: m1-lightning
Somebody's gotta say it:

Better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6.

9 posted on 01/16/2004 8:09:49 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse (Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.)
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To: m1-lightning
Let’s play “How to defend your family”

Man “A” breaks into man “B”’s house and threatens to kill everyone.
You are man “B” and get to choose from the following list of defensive options.
Be careful not to pick the illegal one.

1. Throw your mug of hot coffee in his face.
2. Pull the rug out from under him.
3. Shoot him with a shotgun
4. Hand him a pair of scissors and tell him to run
5. Tell him his shoe’s untied and kick him in the groin
6. Play the Barney song until he collapses
7. Yell “Allah Akbar”
8. Play dead
9. Call 911
10. Shoot him with a handgun
10 posted on 01/16/2004 8:13:52 AM PST by tractorman
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To: m1-lightning
Change the law bump.
11 posted on 01/16/2004 8:15:19 AM PST by Wheee The People (If this post doesn't make any sense, then it also doubles as a bump.)
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ping
13 posted on 01/16/2004 8:20:30 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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Chicago and five towns around it are the only ones to make handguns illegal.

Morton Grove, Wilmette, Oak Park, Evanston and which other?

16 posted on 01/16/2004 8:26:48 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: m1-lightning
Truly amazing that Paula Zahn a) gave Larry Pratt the final word b) didn't hurl loaded questions at him and c) didn't constantly interrupt him.

I must go outside and look for pigs in the landing pattern.

19 posted on 01/16/2004 8:31:08 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: m1-lightning
I wonder if Thom Mannard has a "GUN FREE ZONE" sign conspicuously posted in his front yard?

If not, why not? He is much safer without those nasty guns in his house and if he has any intellectual honesty at all he ought to advertise the fact for all to see!

24 posted on 01/16/2004 8:44:58 AM PST by Gritty ("It is error alone which needs the support of government.Truth can stand by itself"-Thomas Jefferson)
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If they were unconstitutional, they would have been taken off the books many years ago.

I guess that he means it would have been taken off the books just like the 1896 USSC case of Plessy v. Fergusen (endorsing the notion of separate but equal)? That POS decision only took 58 years to be stricken from the books (by Brown v. Board of Education).

And in fact, just yesterday, a judge ruled that the D.C. prohibition on handguns is in fact constitutional.

So what! In the Dred Scott case the USSC ruled that it was OK for Blacks to be considered property, and held as slaves. This moron judge is just as wrong as Tanney's Supreme Court was, with the difference being that he can be reversed without the need for a Civil War (or so we hope).

Well, Paula, in regards to defending himself, we don't look at that as the issue.

Nah, self-defense had nothing at all to do with why this courageous citizen had a handgun. In fact, I've seen an AP report that he bought it to scratch those parts of his @$$ that he couldn't reach himself. This guy is a lying POS.

Pratt really kicked this guy's butt all over the place; he beat him on every single point. I wish that I'd seen and taped the story.

30 posted on 01/16/2004 9:02:02 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: m1-lightning
...Wilmette's ban on private handgun ownership.

How can THIS trump KABA???

32 posted on 01/16/2004 9:12:00 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: m1-lightning
you should have the right to use the best means available, a handgun.

Wrong bucko, a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 3 1/2" 00 buck is better in my opinion. Not against handguns but for home defense the shotgun is better in my opinion.

36 posted on 01/16/2004 9:45:12 AM PST by holdmuhbeer
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now with dad gone for defending his family only mom and the children are left ALONE at home and everyone knows
38 posted on 01/16/2004 9:49:59 AM PST by millefleur
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To: m1-lightning
The homeowner faces a $750 fine. I'm Jeff Flock, CNN in Chicago.

The best investment he could ever make. Of course he should not even have to bear this cost.


39 posted on 01/16/2004 9:50:38 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: m1-lightning
It's time to pass statewide preemption, not just a narrow exception to local gun ordinances. Why the for half measures? They've got a situation tailor made for going for the throat of the oppressive gun laws in Illinois.
47 posted on 01/16/2004 11:30:53 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that it is an affirmative defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits, regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if the individual who is charged with the violation used the firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another. Effective immediately.

This is the most important legislation to be introduced this year, especially for those who live near Chicago. Write or Call in support of this bill along with your local reps and senators.

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this is a garbage amendment!!!!

Why. Because you are confirming the regulation of firearms by cities and municipal. You are verifying the right of the cities under home rule to enact these stupid gun ordinances to prevent the ownership. All this amendment does is to prevent the jailing of an so called illegal firearm. Why not just fix the problem and outlaw all ordinances that make illegal the ownership or use of firearms in the home.

Chicagofarmer

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49 posted on 01/16/2004 12:39:49 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: m1-lightning
Wilmette Village Board Gets Barrage Of Criticism For Handgun Ban
Bob Roberts WBBM Newsradio 780 - January 14, 2004

The Wilmette Village Board heard a barrage of criticism of the suburb's handgun ban, and the decision to press charges against a homeowner who shot an intruder. But they showed no desire at Tuesday night's board meeting to make change.

Two former trustees who voted to approve the ordinance reaffirmed their support. Former trustee Mary S. Ryan even called it her "proudest moment." But 23 of the next 25 speakers spoke against it, although fewer than half said they lived in Wilmette.

Police Chief George Carpenter said, based on his experience, guns kept in homes were far more likely to be used against Wilmette residents in domestic quarrels or for suicides than for protection. He urged residents to dial 911 instead.

But many of the gun advocates who spoke were far angrier with trustee Bernard Michna. Michna said he had also been the victim of a break-in when he lived in Chicago, but said he believed the board was "unanimous in that there will be no change in the handgun ordinance."

One speaker used giant cue cards to illustrate his points. Others used sarcasm.

"If we hear someone screaming, may we then come out of our locked rooms and, brandishing our phones, confront the perpetrator?" asked an incredulous Henry Koslowski.

Gun advocates chuckled as Conceal Carry, Inc., President John Birch mocked the ban. "Anything that attracts criminals to your town and away from mine, is a good thing," Birch said. "I want to assure you I support your law. Keep your law and I request that you also ban knives, crowbars and maybe automobiles."

Brent Hansen of Wheeling pulled out a wad of money, waved it at the trustees and said, "I'm going to give all my money in my wallet to the defendant who is being abused by your ordinance."

Still others were blunt.

"I don't want to be the guy hauled out of my house under arrest when I shoot someone for breaking in," said Kevin Baxter, of Hampshire.

"What happens if somebody breaks into a home three months from now and kills the family," asked Derek Theclas of Wilmette. "I believe that anyone who would break into a home would have a weapon to protect themselves against the homeowner, so I don't see why we can't have…the right to defend ourselves against that trespasser."

Two Chicago radio talk show hosts even spoke against the ban, claiming listeners identifying themselves as being from Wilmette told them overwhelmingly that they were upset by the ban and the charges filed against 54-year-old Hale DeMar.

One said, "The arrogance of the trustees is appalling," and both suggested that residents defeat trustees and village board candidates who support the ban.

Village President Nancy Canafax, the last remaining member of the board that approved the ban, reminded opponents that the measure passed six weeks before an election in which its supporters won resoundingly.

"All I can says is that this community has felt secure for 15 years with this gun control," she said. "I think our residents agree with our chief, who says it has provided more safety than it has prevented harm.

She then invited opponents to test their support at the ballot box. "There's another election soon, and we'll see," she said.

DeMar, the owner of the Oak Tree Restaurant, 900 N. Michigan Av., shot Morio Billings, 31, twice on Dec. 29. Billings had allegedly broken into the DeMar home, at 35 Linden Av., in Wilmette, for the second time in two nights. He was arrested after seeking treatment at St. Francis Hospital, in Evanston, for gunshot wounds to the side and leg.

Billings is being held in the Cermak Hospital unit of the Cook County Jail in lieu of $3 million bond on two counts of residential burglary and possession of a stolen motor vehicle. DeMar is charged with failure to have a valid Firearm Owners Identification Card, and of violating the Wilmette ordinance.
56 posted on 01/16/2004 1:35:07 PM PST by concentric circles
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The left is filled with idiots who would tell women to "not resist and enjoy the experience." sick.
68 posted on 01/17/2004 2:45:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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