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Bush Offers Migrant Plan Conservatives Can Support
Arizona Republic ^ | January 18, 2004 | Jeff Flake

Posted on 01/17/2004 6:54:51 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest

President Bush's immigration initiative has sparked a great deal of discussion across the country. Perhaps the most interesting debate centers on whether the president, in announcing the initiative, has embraced conservative principles or abandoned them. I believe a temporary worker program is consistent with conservative principles, and here's why.

First, conservatives value national security, and the status quo encourages anything but national security. The presence of 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens within the confines of our borders should prompt the type of reform the president has suggested.

President Bush's proposal will ensure smarter border enforcement by redirecting resources for border security and the war on terrorism away from the dishwashers and landscapers who are trying to cross the border illegally and toward the smugglers and terrorists who are attempting to cross the border for purposes far more nefarious than filling jobs that American workers are not taking.

We can try to tighten up border enforcement even more than we already have (we've already increased spending on border enforcement six-fold over the past 20 years), but as long as the United States offers foreign workers more opportunity for work than their home countries do, people will risk their lives to cross the border.

According to Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies, "A real effort to control the border with Mexico would require perhaps 20,000 agents and the development of a system of formidable fences and other barriers along those parts of the border used for illegal crossings."

It should also be noted that some 40 percent of those illegally in the United States first entered the country legally and then overstayed their visas. Even if we did manage to seal the border from illegal crossings, the problem would still be with us. Clearly, we can't solve this problem through border enforcement alone.

A temporary worker program, coupled with serious workplace enforcement, would bring those who are in the shadows out into the open. Temporary workers would be registered. We would finally know who they are, how long they've been here, and when they must return to their home country or change their status.

Again, the "carrot" of a temporary worker program must be coupled with the "stick" of workplace enforcement. With a reasonable legal avenue available, workers should have no excuse for not utilizing it and employers should have no excuse for hiring those who do not.

The latter point is important. Conservatives respect the law. Our current immigration laws, everyone will agree, are so convoluted and out of touch with how people actually organize their lives that it does not foster respect for the law. If we want the law to be enforced, we need to have a law that can realistically be enforced given our labor needs. Which brings me to another point.

Conservatives recognize that America has a need for labor that Americans are unable or unwilling to fill. This is the case today, and will increasingly be the case in years to come as our workforce becomes older and better educated. Now, some will dispute this, noting that "there are some 10 million unemployed in this country, and some 10 million illegal aliens - do the math!"

This math adds up only if you accept that it is the federal government's role, for example, to persuade an unemployed fisherman in Maine to take a job as a landscaper in Phoenix. Or to move an unemployed schoolteacher in Indiana to the lettuce fields in Yuma. The former Soviet Union tried and failed with this type of economic planning for decades. Cuba is still trying. Neither are examples that conservatives should seek to emulate.

Third, conservatives are compassionate, despite what liberals will tell you. The fact that hundreds of illegal aliens, many of whom are women and children, die in the desert each year should compel us to action. Because a temporary worker program would allow workers to enter and exit the country through border checkpoints, the incentive to risk one's life in the desert would be diminished considerably. Under the current situation, those illegally crossing the border in search of work must make the calculation of whether to endure long periods, even years, without seeing their families, or to attempt to bring their families with them. The latter choice often leads to deadly consequences.

Finally, we conservatives are called conservatives because we want to "conserve" practices and principles that have withstood the test of time. There is little about the status quo in immigration policy that is worth conserving. Bush recognizes this. We conservatives, whether we agree with every detail of his plan or not, should applaud him for it.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; guest; illegal; immigrants; immigration; jeffflake; reform; workers
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To: Texasforever
I agree with your assessment on manpower. Just think of the numer of speeding tickets that are issued daily in this country. If each cop nabbed one illegal the problem would be over.

I am not sure about the states getting in the way though. I remember reading that the INS and the state of Florida had agreed to allow the state to arrest illegals for immigration violations. I believe it was back in 2002. Sorry that I cannot remember the details better, but that is the key to the numbers problem. We have a large force of law officers already available. We need to use them.
141 posted on 01/18/2004 12:35:59 AM PST by Marak (Let me turn you on to Fantasy.)
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To: FairOpinion
In other words: make businesses close down or move to Mexico, because they couldn't stay in business. I guess you want to pay $20/lb for strawberries too.

Labor costs only account for about 10% of the retail price of produce at the grocery store.

142 posted on 01/18/2004 12:38:51 AM PST by usadave
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To: Marak
I am not speaking lightly here. Florida was the exception to a very defined rule and the fact that the governor of Florida is the President's brother makes that a poor gauge of state reaction.
143 posted on 01/18/2004 12:38:52 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Who's rule is it? Is it the federal government telling the states not to, or the states refusing to?
144 posted on 01/18/2004 12:42:34 AM PST by Marak (Let me turn you on to Fantasy.)
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To: Marak
Is it the federal government telling the states not to, or the states refusing to?

The sates refusing to. Look up a thread entitled the "illegal immigration crime wave". It talks about LA and California. The thread was posted by the dump Bush crowd but it is a case study in the problem I have talked about. This is a problem that can never be solved without police state measures or the full cooperation of states whose economic health is largely built on cheap labor forgo that benefit and stop protecting those that are here illegally.

145 posted on 01/18/2004 12:48:40 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Well the federal government has never been shy about telling the states what to do. They managed to get the 55 mph speed limit into effect. If they truly want to solve this problem, they can. That is the true problem, they don't really care to address it. It is easier to do some hocus pocus and say the problem no longer exists. Ten years down the road we can address it again.
146 posted on 01/18/2004 12:55:44 AM PST by Marak (Let me turn you on to Fantasy.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Bush Offers Migrant Plan Conservatives Can Support

After hearing President Bush's speech, do you (normally, typically, conservative, Bush supporting Freepers) approve of his immigration reform plan?

Yes - 21%

No - 67%

Undecided - 11%

There you have it, is that so difficult for them to comprehend?

147 posted on 01/18/2004 12:58:21 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: Marak
Now see? I laid out facts and you come back with emotion. The 55 MPH was a lot like illegal immigration, it was not enforceable. No one paid any attention to it and the Feds were not about to raise taxes to pay for state resources to enforce it. Nice try though.
148 posted on 01/18/2004 1:01:50 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: lewislynn
There you have it, is that so difficult for them to comprehend?

I voted no also. Now, in your opinion, what is the significance of that poll?

149 posted on 01/18/2004 1:04:00 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Marak
N.Y.C., for but one example, has told the police, social workers, and teachers to NOT bother the illegals they find.

Without cities' and states' help/enforcement, the Feds can NOT do all that much.And YES, this is after 9/11 !

150 posted on 01/18/2004 1:09:21 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
Not enforceable? What you mean is that not every speeder was caught and ticketed. There is a great difference between that and your statement.

Just how many speeding tickets do you think were issued by the states under the 55 MPH limit?

A heck of a lot more that 8-14 million.

The point being made was that the task could be accomplished through leverage. Regardless of how many speeders were caught or not caught, the states changed their laws. That eliminates the barrier of state laws that you specified.

As for the state and local agencies actually enforcing those new laws, pressure can be brought on a local level. It can be done. The real questions is do we want to do it.
151 posted on 01/18/2004 1:10:05 AM PST by Marak (Let me turn you on to Fantasy.)
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To: Marak
Many states have a 65 , NOT a 55mph sp;eed limit!
152 posted on 01/18/2004 1:11:09 AM PST by nopardons
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To: lewislynn
Not ALL FREEPERS voted in that poll. I, for one, didn't even know therfe WSAS such a poll, until after the fact. Polls on FR mean less than nothing.
153 posted on 01/18/2004 1:12:33 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Oh I understand. I have been saying all along that we are not serious about fixing the problem. Bush's proposal is not a serious attempt to address the problem either.
154 posted on 01/18/2004 1:13:59 AM PST by Marak (Let me turn you on to Fantasy.)
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To: Marak
Right and there have been a hell of a lot of illegal aliens deported too. Just like speeding though, they just keep coming back. You have picked the worst analogy imaginable to try to make your case. In fact you keep making my argument for me. Try to do better.
155 posted on 01/18/2004 1:14:16 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Been there, done that. Heard all of this in 1986 when Reagan gave them amnesty and we "forced" business, through the use of the I-9 form that is never looked at by the INS, to police the hiring of actual citizens.

Result, natural born Americans had to prove their citizenship when hired for a new job but the illegals were still hired by the unscrupulous (how else did you think 8-12 million got in during the last 17 years?).
156 posted on 01/18/2004 1:14:26 AM PST by Fledermaus (Mr. President, please get back to conservatism and stop spending money like drunken Democrats!)
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To: nopardons
Polls on FR mean less than nothing.

Except when they go the Bushbot way.

157 posted on 01/18/2004 1:15:22 AM PST by k2blader (¡Vote Bush, Amexicanos y Amexicanas!)
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To: Marak
Serious or not, it's still ONLY a proposal to get Congress to begin looking at the problem.
158 posted on 01/18/2004 1:15:29 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
[Many states have a 65 , NOT a 55mph sp;eed limit!]

I am not talking about now. I was talking about the national speed limit back in the 70's. The states are no longer under such restrictions.
159 posted on 01/18/2004 1:15:52 AM PST by Marak (Let me turn you on to Fantasy.)
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To: k2blader
Except when they go the Bushbot way.

Tell me, do you think that only 22% of Freerepublic are GOP/Bush supporters?

160 posted on 01/18/2004 1:16:45 AM PST by Texasforever
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